Thread: Will the Tory Scum win the UK Election?

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

I'm rather afraid that they will as much as it pains me to say it.
Quite why so many people are willing to vote for more misery is beyond me. Cuts to hospitals, schools, the fire service and the police are hardly election winning policies but yet they get votes.
Taking a hardline on immigration will always appeal to a certain block of the population- it will most likely be a lie and immigration will remain or increase.

I'm not from the UK, but I've lived there.

What one person describes as 'misery' might also be seen as reducing the spend to balance the books.

You can't fund the NHS on the Credit Card ... on the Never Never.

Nor can you favour the 'Big End of Town' with generous Tax concessions at the expense of a decent Social Justice support mechanisms.

It's a balancing act.

If you want a generous Social Welfare Platform, you have to fund it somehow.

Take Sweden for example, they have a good Social Safety Net, but the average tax rate there is ...

The Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden stands at 57.10 percent.
Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 56.31 percent from 1995 until 2016,
reaching an all time high of 61.40 percent in 1996 and a record low of 51.50 percent in 2000.
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My modest time following Politics show me that generally we favour/keep in Government, a Conservative Party who takes care
of Business ... both big and small and shows compassionate consciousness/policies to the less fiscally advantaged.

Sometimes, when that balance swings too far one way or the other we oust them and change to the 'other mob' in hope that they bring the changes we desire.
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Originally Posted by David48atTD

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

I'm rather afraid that they will as much as it pains me to say it.
Quite why so many people are willing to vote for more misery is beyond me. Cuts to hospitals, schools, the fire service and the police are hardly election winning policies but yet they get votes.
Taking a hardline on immigration will always appeal to a certain block of the population- it will most likely be a lie and immigration will remain or increase.

I'm not from the UK, but I've lived there.

What one person describes as 'misery' might also be seen as reducing the spend to balance the books.

You can't fund the NHS on the Credit Card ... on the Never Never.

Nor can you favour the 'Big End of Town' with generous Tax concessions at the expense of a decent Social Justice support mechanisms.

It's a balancing act.

If you want a generous Social Welfare Platform, you have to fund it somehow.

Take Sweden for example, they have a good Social Safety Net, but the average tax rate there is ...

The Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden stands at 57.10 percent.
Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 56.31 percent from 1995 until 2016,
reaching an all time high of 61.40 percent in 1996 and a record low of 51.50 percent in 2000.
Here

.
My modest time following Politics show me that generally we favour/keep in Government, a Conservative Party who takes care
of Business ... both big and small and shows compassionate consciousness/policies to the less fiscally advantaged.

Sometimes, when that balance swings too far one way or the other we oust them and change to the 'other mob' in hope that they bring the changes we desire.
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Not a bad general summation tbf.

In reality, though the Tories are perceived as being a safe pair of hands who are economically sensible and make the books balance, they're not at all. The national debt has ballooned under this Govt to record levels. The perception is far removed from the reality.

The Tories are ideologically driven, they impose cuts on sectors of society which, while popular with ignorant tabloid readers, actually amount to a drop in the ocean. Plays out well with the fucking moronic populace though. Example: Clamping down on "benefit cheats", who, in reality, cost the nation less in lost revenue than by admin errors made by the same departments which administer the welfare payouts.

The national debt, and govt coffers, could be instantly improved by clamping down on massive corporate tax avoidance by corps like Starbucks, Amazon & Google. Again, Tory ideology forbids this - greed is good, "wealth creation" is sacrosanct...and somehow this ideology extends to the twisted belief that somehow allowing certain corps to not pay their wsy is good for the economy

In summary - the Tories pursue an ideolically driven austerity drive which, as is their wont, penalises the most vulnerable and benefits the affluent.

Why normal people vote Tory against their best interest baffles me. A vote for Tory in the upcoming GE is a vote to accelerate the privatisation of the NHS, a vote to further penalise worthy benefit claimants with genuine disability, a vote to lowet the standard of living for the common workimg folk in order to benefit the already obscenely wealthy.

I honestly do despair.

Theresa May is the true Queen. The Royal family are the politicians and the Aristocracy are the rich,company moguls and banking oligarchy. The only thing that has changed since Magna Carta are the names.
The Brexit vote shocked the politicians more because the peasants had become unpredictable. They are now scrambling to retake control of the agenda.
I read an article in an Oz newspaper some years ago that said we were now working more than 3 months for the govt before we started earning for ourselves, in effect longer than peasants were obliged to work for the lord of the manor.
By voting for the "royal family" every few years we are deluded into believing we have participated in democracy. Our taxes used to keep the peasants in check and for the royal army to keep the established order in power, with a few crumbs thrown to the peasants to keep them quiet.
A false democratic illusion not only in Britain, but all over the world, that most of us swallow.
Labor or Conservative, two sides of the same coin.

General election 2017: Labour rules out tax rises for 95% of earners
Only the top 5% of earners will pay more tax, Labour will say

Labour is pledging not to raise income tax for those earning less than £80,000 a year as part of a "personal tax guarantee" for 95% of taxpayers.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell will vow to protect low and middle earners by also ruling out rises in VAT and employee national insurance rates.
But he will say the top 5% of earners would pay more to fund public services.

The Tories, who have also ruled out a rise in VAT, say there is a £45bn black hole in Labour's tax proposals.

Theresa May has said she has "no plans" to raise other taxes after the election, but has so far declined to say whether a manifesto pledge not to raise direct taxes ahead of the 2015 election will be retained.

Chancellor Philip Hammond appeared to distance himself from the commitment when he said recently that "greater flexibility" would be needed in future to pay down the deficit and reduce levels of debt.
General election 2017: Labour rules out tax rises for 95% of earners - BBC News