Thread: Gay Marriage - a unbiased debate

I am ok with same sex couples having their union recognised. IMHO the term marriage is a union between a man and a woman and therefore a same sex union can be called what ever SS couples like but it is not marriage. On children I believe we should not be trying social experiments with children and also children have the right to both a mother and a father and the rights of the child should come first. I have been called homophobic and bigoted with this view by some people more left of centre than myself but I stand by it.
This above all, to thine own self be true and it must follow as the night the day thou canst be false to no man.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

What do you think about the subject of Gay Marriage?

I actually don't really care if gay people want to get married.

What I don't like is it being used to by politicians to create culture wars and PC retardation. If you dislike the party that supports gay marriage, then you are a homophobic bigot because you don't support that party.

Then take gay marriage and multiply that by 10000000 and you get this nonsense of anti-vaxxing, gender-neutral, looney tunes transgender bathroom, government funded sex changes and lifetime hormone replacement therapy, being able to identify as anything you want.... Just ridiculousness... And if you stop and verbalize a WTF moment, you are ostracized as a bigot because homosexuals are victimized on a similar level to jews in aushwitz.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

On children I believe we should not be trying social experiments with children and also children have the right to both a mother and a father and the rights of the child should come first. I have been called homophobic and bigoted with this view by some people more left of centre than myself but I stand by it.

Totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

On children I believe we should not be trying social experiments with children and also children have the right to both a mother and a father and the rights of the child should come first. I have been called homophobic and bigoted with this view

I don't think you're a homophobe for that line of thinking. I think children do need a parent figure of both gender identities....but then, children of single parents don't have that either and they tend to turn out ok, so, perhaps it's not much of a social experiment.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

I don't really give a fuck what you're into but get out of my face with all your gay promotion bullshit with all your Big Gay Out concerts and Gay Pride festivals.

Well, Dirk, it's just push-back after decades or centuries of repression. I think you have to give them a chance to convince the hold-out bastions of discrimination. A few decades from now, when acceptance is the norm, I doubt they'll be pushing it in your face.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

If I decided to organise a Non Gay Away Day or a Heteros on the Heath Festival can you imagine the backlash?

Of course you would face a backlash...because heteros don't need to push-back (don't jump on that unintentional pun), plus your festival would be discriminating against a minority.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Me? (again) ... I'm tired of being told what I think, what to say and how to say it.

I'm sure the proponents of FGM would say the same to people who fight against female genital mutilation. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and for some who hold that opinion very strongly, they want to show others the "light".

Originally Posted by Maanaam

children of single parents don't have that either and they tend to turn out ok, so, perhaps it's not much of a social experiment.

The experiment part would be 2 same sex parents, or a morphing of the roles. From a gay couple all the way to the most bizarre combo and identity. Thats the experiment, at the well being of a child brought up in it, because hurr durr PC identity politics.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I think you have to give them a chance to convince the hold-out bastions of discrimination.

I don't think many people nowadays really care about gay marriage. Its the peripheral identity politics involved that turn people sour and politicians using it for personal gain. Politicians using it as a shield.

let's put aside the BS.....the overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are opposed to homosexuality.

live and let live.....their marriage has no impact on your marriage whatsoever. mind your own goddamn business.

and in the US, we have this little thing called, "equal protection under the law".....so to my american brethren i say "you're just going to have to get over it".

Originally Posted by raycarey

let's put aside the BS.....the overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are opposed to homosexuality.

live and let live.....their marriage has no impact on your marriage whatsoever. mind your own goddamn business.

and in the US, we have this little thing called, "equal protection under the law".....so to my american brethren i say "you're just going to have to get over it".

I agree with Ray 100%.

If a same sex couple wants to get married or actually does get married.

It's nobody else's business.

Originally Posted by raycarey

so to my american brethren i say "you're just going to have to get over it".

Ill get over it when the identity politics are removed. Until then, nope nope nope.

Originally Posted by raycarey

the overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are opposed to homosexuality.

The overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are probably people opposed to Democrat libtardism, not the aspect of gay marriage itself.

Stop hiding behind your stupid gay pride shield. For a conservative like myself to 'support' gay marriage, I would have to 'support' todays Democrat.

100% canfuckingnot.

Rub some brain cells together and find a party that blends social issues with conservative american values and you'll have my vote and support.

Until then, cry baby cry.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I'm a conservative, a little old-fashioned. I believe that 'marriage' is between a Man and a Woman, and that is something special to that Union.

There is nothing so special about it that it qualifies to be spelled with an uppercase U and there is nothing so special about it that only heterosexuals should be allowed to marry.
The archbishop is a cristian bigot.

For a conservative like myself to 'support' gay marriage, I would have to 'support' todays Democrat.

It's not often that people are so forthright in admitting that their views are determined by their tribal affiliations, rather than the other way round. Well done.

Originally Posted by Slick

The overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are probably people opposed to Democrat libtardism, not the aspect of gay marriage itself.

Even by your standards that seems remarkably churlish.

There is already a gay marriage thread so why another?

Originally Posted by Slick

The overwhelming majority of people opposed to gay marriage are probably people opposed to Democrat libtardism

Right. They have managed to turn their bigotry into a political ideology.

When did minding your own damn business go out of style?

Don't care. Don't think about them, and don't know any. My wife and kids don't care - they have gay classmates in school, and some of their teachers are gay, and they seem to think nothing of it.

No impact on my life, although it certainly isn't "in your face" in this conservative, Catholic country like it appears to be in the West.

Same sex parents? Weird, but if they're good parents, they probably won't screw the kid up as badly as many male/female partnerships do.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

and don't know any

...that you know of anyway...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

and don't know any

...that you know of anyway...

In fact, I misspoke. I do know one, and worked a few jobs with him years ago. Good at his job. I'm sure there have been others and I haven't noticed or particularly cared. One of our medics in Vietnam was almost certainly gay, and also one of the bravest guys I knew.

As I've stated before I have no issue with gay marriage in the UK, my issue is that 'gays' also have the option of a civil partnership which was their only option before gay marriage was legalised and is still an option for them now but the civil partnership option is not an option for those who prefer the opposite sex, so if want true equality then the civil partnership option should be scrapped altogether (my preference) or be made an option for breeders.

...^agree: equal rights for all...I don't know why some folks find that notion so hard to accept...it's not like we're asking them to bend over and enjoy it...

Ordinary folks don't care about this shit, they want jobs, good schools and health care.
That's why voters picked Trump.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

push-back

What a grimage.


This is a pointless thread. All that will happen is that if you don't agree with gay marriage, regardless of whatever reason you have, you will be called all kinds of names that are just other ways of calling you evil.
The best you are allowed to say is that you don't care, even if you do care about the damage you might feel it's doing to society - same goes for feminism, and all these other spawn of the lefty 70s.

What is curious, is why people who are apparently so not interested in all this get so raving and hysterical with rage about other people not agreeing with it, for whatever reason.

This is yet another fake proxy debate really.

If you unpack it all, there are different debates being conflated together into one.
Take the religion angle - so if you think of religion as a hobby, and idea, a club, albeit with cultural/ethnical/historical baggage, it's not clear why you would seek to join a club or do a hobby that specifically says stuff that you like or do is not allowed - I mean, why not just start another club?

...so this then belies what it's possibly really about, which is not the club itself, or it's rules, but control of it's assets. So in the case of a religion, those assets are not simply material, like buildings and bank accounts; but symbolic, like cultural influence and job titles and stuff... the "colonisation" of the club that specifically rejects you, is about a power grab really.
Love doesn't really seem to come into it, it all seems rather political.

What, after all, is "marriage" anyway?
It's a legal contract, that gives property rights, inheritance rights, access to people at their beside, liability for debts and boring stuff like that. You can get all that good stuff with a contract called "civil partnership" or "geoffrey" or anything else, so why the fixation on the word "marriage"?
Perhaps it's exciting for them to break a mild taboo, and use these words like "husband" and "wife" without comeback (no pun intended).

I think again, it's about a power grab for cultural influence... it's a campaign to co-opt the existing stuff, rather than make one's own "stuff"... this seems to indicate a lack of self-confidence in the legitimacy of it all, by those who fall into that category... why else would they need to appropriate all this ancient historical baggage?


Those who go on about equality, seem to not get particularly animated about how "civil partnership" is not available to some people (in the UK), just because their genitals are different.



The issue of scissoring and sodomy is rather by the by, most marriages degenerate into sexless tedium anyway... how does that match the reputed promiscuity of these exciting people? The obvious maladtivity of all this stuff has been so smothered by the politicisation of the DSM by the left since the 70s that it's going to take decades to repair the damage to actual science done by "social science".




bigotry... that's a whole nother debate... obviously lefties own the word, and everyone who doesn't agree with them gets to be called it. Fab for them. We can only look on with envy at their intrinsic truthyness.


Go on, call me names, if you must, but you might want to reflect on what that word "tolerance" really means...