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    Cannabis oil continues to cure cancer

    Callie Blackwell woke once more expecting to find her son Deryn lying dead next to her.

    The pair lay were sleeping just yards apart in the hospice bedroom where Deryn had been sent to spend his final few days.

    He was in extraordinary pain. His frail body was battered from round after round of chemotherapy and radiotherapy, he was hooked on the painkiller morphine, was unable to eat, covered in sores, nauseous and had lost all his hair.

    It was 70 days since his last bone marrow transplant and it hadn’t worked. The family knew all too well no transplant had ever grafted after more than 50 days. There was no hope left.

    And, after a relentless four year battle with a one in a billion form of cancer , even Deryn was losing his previously indefatigable spirit.

    “The doctors had said there was nothing more they could do,” says Callie, 37, who lives in a small Norfolk village near Bury St Edmunds.

    “We celebrated Deryn’s 14th birthday in hospital and then went to the hospice to wait.”

    Then, as Deryn hovered between life and death, Callie and husband Simon took a huge decision. Unbeknown to medical staff, they decided to give their son cannabis to ease his pain and anxiety.

    The couple tracked down a dealer, met him at a service station, who gave them some cannabis which they took home and cooked on the family hob in a pressure cooker following instructions they’d found online.

    From it they created an oil and it was Callie who placed a tiny amount of it in Deryn’s mouth.

    It worked and calmed him immediately.

    But what is truly extraordinary happened next. Because the family’s hospice wait went on and on. And on. Until very slowly Deryn’s condition improved. And today he is a happy and healthy 17-year-old studying catering, with friends, a girlfriend and enjoying everything life has to offer.

    The total transformation in her once so sick son still seems to bewilder Callie. But it is testament to the ferocious love and determination of one extraordinary mother.

    "I’m not here to say cannabis can cure cancer or is a miracle drug", says Callie, a thoughtful and intelligent woman who was studying to become a nurse before Deryn’s last illness.

    "But it did help Deryn and so I think we need to ask, ‘could it help others too?'

    "I do think there needs to be more research into what cannabis can do. In some American states and across Europe it can be used.

    "Obviously it is illegal so I was terrified if anyone found out what I was doing I could be stopped from seeing my dying son or lose my younger son Dylan to social services. But I had to try it. And it worked."

    It was the first week of the school summer holidays and Deryn was 10 when the family’s life first changed for ever.

    "Deryn had always been so incredibly healthy, he’d never had a cold, never had a day off school, was training with the local rugby team and was the strongest, fittest boy in his year. HE loved that.

    "Then he started complaining his food tasted like metal and he could feel something falling inside him when he laid on his side and one morning he was sick."

    He was sent for a blood test and within hours the family were called back urgently to hospital.

    "We were in room 10 in the children’s assessment unit at the Norfolk and Norwich. Four doctors came in and I already knew it was going to be bad. They sat down in front of us and said there is no easy way to say this but Deryn has leukaemia .

    "I burst into tears. My husband just looked totally shocked. Deryn said, ‘what’s leukaemia,’ I replied ‘cancer of the blood’. From that moment we were totally honest with Deryn about everything that was happening. Deryn has a mild autism and you have to be very blunt with him - and we felt it was his body he deserved to know.

    "I tell people I wasn’t a cancer mum once but then within one second in that room I was and always will be. As soon as those words come out of the doctor’s mouth your life has changed for ever. For ever."

    And Deryn didn’t just have leukaemia - he had one of the most aggressive forms with the second highest white blood count the doctors had ever found.

    The next day he began brutal chemotherapy and by the second day of the September he was back at school. He’d made an extraordinary recovery - although he was still weak and prone to infection and suffered various setbacks over the next 18 months.

    Then in January 2012 he started to complain about his throat hurting.

    "He said it felt like a crisp stuck in his throat. I said ‘could this be a secondary cancer?"

    Six months later his tonsils were removed and were found to be cancerous.

    It took a further four weeks to say what kind of cancer it was because the doctors had never seen it before.

    There was more chemotherapy and brutal surgery. But it seemed the cancer had come from his bone marrow and without a transplant there was a big chance it would only return again.

    Again Deryn had chemotherapy to blast his own bone marrow before a donor was found in Germany. The family were crushed when the first transplant failed to work. And then a second failed too.

    Deryn’s only hope was to put a small remaining amount of his own bone marrow back in. Again the first attempt failed. There was just one last bag of bone marrow left - if that didn’t work there was no hope for Deryn. He would have no immune system and be unable to fight any infection.

    "By day 46 of the transplant the bone marrow still wasn’t working," says Callie. "We’d been talking to the staff for days about it and it was agreed that would be the day all his antibiotics and treatment were turned off and we went to the hospice."

    ‘We knew Deryn had only been kept alive by antibiotics by then. With no immune system as soon as the antibiotics were turned off he would be killed by any infection. I likened it to a life support machine even though he was conscious – we knew once that was switched off that was it.

    “I said to the doctor how long are we talking once it’s switched off? He replied: ‘Three days. A week at most.

    “We’d had so many years building up to this and although the reality was I am going to lose my son, my first born and it was horrific, just horrific, we got on with it. There was nothing we could do to stop it and no amount of screaming and shouting was going to prevent it.

    "I knew the doctors had tried everything and I trusted them implicitly but everything they could offer wasn’t enough.”

    At the hospice the family celebrated Christmas on December 14th knowing Deryn wouldn’t make it until December 25th.

    "He was so ill by then," says Callie. "He was being sick, he hadn’t eaten food in seven months, his mouth was full of blisters, he couldn’t swallow, his body was covered in sores, he had an infected hand where he’d caught it in the side of his bed and he was quite down.

    "Throughout everything he’d always said, ‘you don’t need to worry about me mum, I’m not going to die'. But now he was saying he was ready to go. He said he either wanted to be dead or be well but he was neither and he’d been like that for years.

    "He’s a very spiritual person too and he said he had dreams about passing and it was beautiful and peaceful. He wasn’t scared."

    In this life though there was only suffering and anxiety for Deryn - and it was that which made Callie and Simon decide to give him cannabis which they’d read online could provide comfort for people suffering as he was.

    Then one day a week later after she started the treatment, Deryn’s bandage on his infected hand fell off. What lay beneath the bandage astonished the family. The hand had healed.

    "I knew you can’t even produce cells without a bone marrow," says Callie. ‘It meant he was getting better. The doctors rushed in and he had more tests in his bone marrow which showed his blood count was improving. The do not resuscitate signs were shredded. Deryn wasn’t dying any more."

    Over the next few weeks Callie continued to secretly administer the cannabis - and by altering the doses could see it was having a direct result on his blood count.

    Within weeks the family had left the hospice and Deryn was so improved Callie stopped the cannabis treatment.

    Since then he has never had any further interventions and gone from strength to strength.

    In many ways it seems nothing short of a miracle.

    Yet Callie is not so sure.

    "That’s really why I’ve written the book. I had so many people contact me with very sick children saying: ‘we’re praying for a miracle like Deryn had," and I felt I had a duty to tell them the truth and I don’t believe it was a miracle.

    "I am very scared of doing this because it is illegal but I feel I have to do it. And I don’t like the ‘cure’ word. But I do know Deryn is with us now.

    "Through everything I. Always believed things happen for a reason and now I think maybe that reason is to tell Deryn’s story to others. And hopefully it may start a wider conversation about treatments for cancer and help others. Then, yes, it will all have been for a good reason."

    'I gave my dying son cannabis to ease his cancer symptoms and he made a miracle recovery' reveals mum - Irish Mirror Online

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    I don't believe.

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    There's far too many cases of people curing cancer with canabis oil for it to be a coincidence there is something to it.

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    I self-debated regarding cannabis & decided against it.
    This was after attending the top private hospital in CNX. The pain management team knew very little - text-book style.
    Having all teeth extracted amongst other things, I was on copious amounts of morphine. For those who haven't dabbled with morphine, you need the magic mix in order to avoid constipation.
    Finally, I enquired about marijuana cakes from an illegal source.
    At the last moment, I backed off.
    Why not legalize it for situations as described above?
    This was the worst time in my life.
    If I could turn back the wheels of time, I would have been totally aggressive in this regard.
    Now, 8 years later, my quality of life is still poor.
    Lastly, it should be the patient not the relatives who makes these decisions.
    'One day at time.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    I don't believe.
    Because it's not true. He was cured by the long-term chemotherapy and the transplants, not the cannabis oil. Many people find this hard to believe but Doctors do actually want to cure people, if cannabis oil, or anything else, did actually cure cancer they would give it to every patient they could.

    Remember also that this story is from Ireland, where statues of the BVM walk around in broad daylight, a country long-trained in the art of believing in miracles.

    Still, this book will sell far more copies than something with a title like "A Phase 1 Dose Escalation Study of VS-5584, a PI3K/MTOR Inhibitor, Administered with VS-6063, a Focal Adhesion Kinase Inhibitor, in Mesothelioma".
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    ^ Yeah, I prefer medical trials in properly-funded and resourced western university hospitals myself. If Cannabis oil worked, they would examine and extract the precise molecules and convert them into a proper medication.
    http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk....idence-so-far/
    http://icrs.co/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    ^ Yeah, I prefer medical trials in properly-funded and resourced western university hospitals myself. If Cannabis oil worked, they would examine and extract the precise molecules and convert them into a proper medication.
    Which is of course being done, in line with evidence-based science. Good links, btw, well worth a look.
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    I'll buy into it. If I had cancer I would most likely take it.
    However there is always more to the eye than the obvious, and I doubt it was any one thing that caused his remission.

    For example, there is a well-documented phenomenon in which a small percentage of people who have radiotherapy for advanced cancer look like they're going to die, but then recover. The radiation usually kills the cancer cells but in their case they are somehow altered.
    I forget the name of it, but Carl Kruszelnicki, Australia's science guru, describes it in one of his books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    I don't believe.
    As is the case with most that hypnotically follow the dominant paradigm and manufactured standards of conventional cult.

    Dumbed down to the lowest denominator and the broad company it keeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    As is the case with most that hypnotically follow the dominant paradigm and manufactured standards of conventional cult.

    Dumbed down to the lowest denominator and the broad company it keeps.
    I don't believe cannabis cures cancer but I love me a bong hit. I wish it cured cancer and I have ab-so-fucking-lutely zero issues with it at all. Regardless of whether it cures it or not cancer patients should be allowed to partake if they want or it helps.

    It would be on the front page of every media outlet known to humanity if it cured cancer in any form what so ever.

    I don't think I'm a drone following the dominant paradigm, it just isn't a cure unfortunately.

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    ^^So when you or someone you loves gets cancer and the ball is in your court to do something about it, ignore all medical advice and current treatments and use nothing but cannabis oil + whatever twigs or natural products some total fucking dickhead (like you) recommends chewing for pain relief. And there will be intense pain to deal with, both physical and emotional.

    You wouldn't want to look like a dumbed down sheep by trusting anything modern medicine and cancer specialists have to offer now would you, not when you're conditioned to believe they clearly know nothing .

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    It's funny how people will insist on medical advice when it comes to cutting them open; but persist in avoiding it when it comes to ingesting things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    I don't believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Because it's not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    So when you or someone you loves gets cancer and the ball is in your court to do something about it, ignore all medical advice


    Er.. is the US National Cancer Institute (government) good enough for you?




    Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using Cannabis or cannabinoids? Preclinical studies of cannabinoids have investigated the following:
    Antitumor activity
    • Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.
    • A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.
    • A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells. Studies in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer showed that cannabinoids may lessen the growth, number, and spread of tumors.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, CBD may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells. Studies in mouse models of cancer showed that CBD together with delta-9-THC may make chemotherapy such as temozolomide more effective.


    www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq/#link/_13

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    ^If there's been studies done on it and the very best minds on all-things cancer add/use it as current treatment I'm 100% for it, and further studies to find anything that could help. Having seen this horrible disease and its aftermath from a front row seat too many times, it's something that a cure or more effective treatment cannot be found for fast enough...

    My problem is with fuckwitt Jeff who's telling us - again - that anyone who places trust in modern medicine or the people who administer it is somehow missing the big picture. Well if that fucking idiot was ever to be diagnosed with cancer, who would he want to talk to immediately:
    1. The very best oncologist he could find.
    2. His pot dealer.
    That's my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillHaven'tAClue View Post
    ....missing the big picture.

    Yep. Sure are.
    Or, any picture, for that matter.

    If it makes you feel easier, Headcase, you've lotsa company.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    I don't believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Because it's not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    So when you or someone you loves gets cancer and the ball is in your court to do something about it, ignore all medical advice


    Er.. is the US National Cancer Institute (government) good enough for you?




    Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using Cannabis or cannabinoids? Preclinical studies of cannabinoids have investigated the following:
    Antitumor activity
    • Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.
    • A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.
    • A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells. Studies in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer showed that cannabinoids may lessen the growth, number, and spread of tumors.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, CBD may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells. Studies in mouse models of cancer showed that CBD together with delta-9-THC may make chemotherapy such as temozolomide more effective.


    www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq/#link/_13
    You're missing the point. Nobody disputes that cannabinoids may be immensely useful in treating cancer, which is what all that research covers. That still does not means that dropping cannabis oil on somebody's tongue cures cancer, which is what that book claims. There's just no correlation, it is not the same thing at all and the links in your post reinforce this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    I don't believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Because it's not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    So when you or someone you loves gets cancer and the ball is in your court to do something about it, ignore all medical advice


    Er.. is the US National Cancer Institute (government) good enough for you?




    Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using Cannabis or cannabinoids? Preclinical studies of cannabinoids have investigated the following:
    Antitumour activity
    • Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumour growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumours to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.
    • A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.
    • A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells. Studies in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer showed that cannabinoids may lessen the growth, number, and spread of tumours.
    • A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, CBD may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells. Studies in mouse models of cancer showed that CBD together with delta-9-THC may make chemotherapy such as temozolomide more effective.
    www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq/#link/_13
    I didn't realise rodents could type.

    What you've posted there says, for about 80% of it, that it may have a beneficial effect (or a non-harmful one... so far). For the other 20%, it omits the word "some" - it's very noticable by it's absence, actually. None of this amounts to evidence of an actual "cure" or definitive curative effect in the same way that an organ transplant would actually solve a health problem, for example.

    You seem to be filtering out the key hedging words that any sensible researcher inserts in to arrive at the answer you want to hear. Those of course get played down in journalism and blogger/enthusiast sites, and contribute to mythbuilding, and then to conspiracy theories about cures being withheld. You do know that a "preclinical" study comes before a "clinical" one? (a bit like how "preschool" comes before "school")...

    Posting those links without reading them is like trying to do the logical fallacy of "blinding with science". It is irresponsible to present this in any way that infers it as being evidence of there being a cure.
    I am pretty certain that no researcher with a reputation worth protecting at this "US National Cancer Institute" would present that info as anything more than "data" to be reviewed; not as anything like "a cure".

    Put simply, Petri dishes are not people. Most chemicals that show promise in lab or animal experiments turn out not to work as well as hoped when tested in patients. These kinds of human studies, known as clinical trials, are the only way we can really know if a cancer treatment is effective. There’s more about clinical trials on our website: What clinical trials are | Cancer Research UK


    It’s also important to think about what’s being claimed when people use the word “cure”. To most people, including us, this means that a cancer is completely treated and does not come back. When we look at the data in the papers listed below, none of them come close to showing these kinds of results. For the experiments involving cells grown in the lab, a proportion of the cells are killed or stop growing, but some of them carry on. Similarly in animal experiments, there is no data that shows a 100 per cent success rate for cannabinoids. For example, most mice treated with cannabinoids will still have tumours, although the cancers may be growing more slowly and spread less in some of them.
    This isn’t just true for cannabinoids – it’s true for virtually all cancer drugs used today. Cancer is a very complex biological problem – there are hundreds of different types of cancer, each with important molecular and genetic differences. There’s good evidence to show that every individual’s cancer is as unique as they are, and that tumours can evolve and change within the body to become resistant to treatments.
    Do yourself a favour, read the papers - the conclusions of some of them at least.
    Cannabis, cannabinoids and cancer ? the evidence so far - Cancer Research UK - Science blog
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Many people find this hard to believe but Doctors do actually want to cure people
    Medicine is a big institution, and we see everywhere in the world the tendency of big institutions to serve themselves, sometimes as much or more as they serve their stated purposes. The common cold is a great example, there are many conspiracy theories suggesting there is no real interest in a quick cure or easy prevention step, because the medical complex (including Pharma) would forsake tens of billions of dollars annually.

    Not all Docs are the same. Many a Doc is guilty of prescribing that drug in sufficient quantity to earn the incentive payment from Pharma. Severe cases where unnecessary surgeries are performed, also show that greed sometimes trumps whatever oaths have been taken.

    I'm not saying ditch everything conventional, and lets go all-in on homeopathy. But lets make sure we don't let the wrong kind of mindsets prevent proper consideration of different treatments.

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    Do yourself a favour, read the papers - the conclusions of some of them at least.
    Cannabis, cannabinoids and cancer ? the evidence so far - Cancer Research UK - Science blog[/QUOTE]

    Could someone do us a favour and read the results of these and then summarize them ?

    Here in Oz, I have to go to work today.

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    There is a reason why it's still illegal but it's not what you think.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7da5f2468faa


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Many people find this hard to believe but Doctors do actually want to cure people, if cannabis oil, or anything else, did actually cure cancer they would give it to every patient they could.
    When I was a young child my Dad was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer that had spread to his lungs and brain. The doctors said with treatment he could live another 6 months, without it he'd be dead probably within a month or so.

    He went to Mexico to do unconventional, radical nutritional treatment. No radiation, no chemo.

    I was six years old at the time.

    I'm now in my mid-thirties and I just visited with my Dad yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StillHaven'tAClue View Post
    ....missing the big picture.

    Yep. Sure are.
    Or, any picture, for that matter.

    If it makes you feel easier, Headcase, you've lotsa company.

    So a serious question: You get diagnosed with cancer (a life changing moment countless people will go thru today around the world) so what would your course of action be?. I'd like to think you'd fucking top yourself, even if it wasn't cancer, but would be very interested to know what someone so "connected" would do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze
    When I was a young child my Dad was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer that had spread to his lungs and brain. The doctors said with treatment he could live another 6 months, without it he'd be dead probably within a month or so. He went to Mexico to do unconventional, radical nutritional treatment. No radiation, no chemo. I was six years old at the time. I'm now in my mid-thirties and I just visited with my Dad yesterday.
    Fantastic, I just put on a huge smile.

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    Thanks bud.

    Now sadly my mom is currently battling cancer. Same deal, she won't be doing conventional treatment. She is currently doing vitamin IV treatment, tons of supplementation, and extreme dietary stuff. Tons of raw food. All vegan. She was doing cannibus oil for a couple months (Rick Simpson oil to be specific, in case anyone wants to google) but couldn't handle the paranoia and generally unpleasant thoughts it was producing so she stopped that part of her treatment. She was never a druggie/drinker so she wasn't used to anything like that at all

    She is several months into treatment now. So far, so good...

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