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    I just seek quality information. The medical fraternity were far too vague.
    I seek minimal pain for both my wife & I.
    The medical fraternity sought, in my opinion, to keep me in the dark.
    Now, I am in relapse (???) and the probability of another attack has diminished.
    All the pain I have already been through has been unnecessary.
    We all die so I just seek finality.
    'One day at time.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post
    I just seek quality information. The medical fraternity were far too vague.
    What did they say?
    I seek minimal pain for both my wife & I.
    Does your wife have cancer too?
    The medical fraternity sought, in my opinion, to keep me in the dark.
    What about?
    Now, I am in relapse (???) and the probability of another attack has diminished.
    Relapse or remission?
    All the pain I have already been through has been unnecessary.
    We all die so I just seek finality.
    Pain from the cancer or the therapy?

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    All pain. I have been in remission for several years.

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    Not exactly a coherent answer to most of the questions politely asked.

    If you want a pain killer, get your doctor to prescribe some morphine, or another drug of choice.

    I use opium if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post
    Have any members actually acquired any and discovered whether Marijuana works in practice?
    I even ordered the cakes but did not finalize the order.
    Of course marijuana works, but for what, specifically, in your case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post

    We all die so I just seek finality.

    There is only one injustice in this world.

    That is the retarded countries are yet to legalize euthanasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post

    We all die so I just seek finality.

    There is only one injustice in this world.

    That is the retarded countries are yet to legalize euthanasia.
    I did investigate that aspect during my cancer ordeal in LOS.

    No chance.

    A friend in Oz had no problem - Dr Nitzke.
    $$$ helped a lot.

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    ^

    Very controversial character and one who i consider should be made president of the world.

    Done so much great work with terminal cases but continually facing prison under the AU law.

    Dunno how he stands now under the Australian law. ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix
    Not sayin that the herbal way can never work but it's a totally different story when actually given the choice of treatments.
    For me, and I think I mentioned this before, it would be entirely based on the prognosis. If traditional treatment offers a high 5 year survival rate, I think it makes sense. If the cancer is advanced/metastatized/spread to distant organs, then typically the prognosis through conventional treatment is grim and thus alternative treatments may be a more logical course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post

    We all die so I just seek finality.

    There is only one injustice in this world.

    That is the retarded countries are yet to legalize euthanasia.
    The easiest method I know of is going to sleep in a carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide filled room or car.

    No pain, just sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post

    We all die so I just seek finality.

    There is only one injustice in this world.

    That is the retarded countries are yet to legalize euthanasia.
    The easiest method I know of is going to sleep in a carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide filled room or car.

    No pain, just sleep.
    How do you know this? What if Christianity is correct and the consequences of suicide are eternal damnation? How do you realistically deal with such a risk?
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    Xtianity as we know it (along with all organized religions) is a load of bolix. Those latter day believers twisted the whole JC trip round to suit their own insecurities, just one big con job.

    But is there a god? There's a something, in my experience, but not one that most folk imagine, care to think about or can imagine let alone accept.
    A local chap I knew died of CO/CO2 poisoning, as did my parents in law, and I nearly went to sleep on it accidentally, ...really peaceful way to go, IMO.
    “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? John 10:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post

    Doubt whether either one would of given the choice of using Cannabis oil up against the traditional medical route of modern medicine would of picked the oil.

    Not sayin that the herbal way can never work but it's a totally different story when actually given the choice of treatments.
    As far as I can see, the two types are not incompatible. People rarely get treated for cancer immediately....there is usually a small wait. During that time, one could take the oil. Then get the traditional treatment after that.
    The goal is to eliminate the cancer, not determine which type of treatment worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Too bad.

    The water you use is fluoridated.

    Brisbane (and < 79% of Qld) has a fluoridated reticulated water supply.
    Fluoride only got added in the last few years, and I haven't drunk tap water since 1979 anyway. Too much chlorine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post

    Doubt whether either one would of given the choice of using Cannabis oil up against the traditional medical route of modern medicine would of picked the oil.

    Not sayin that the herbal way can never work but it's a totally different story when actually given the choice of treatments.
    As far as I can see, the two types are not incompatible. People rarely get treated for cancer immediately....there is usually a small wait. During that time, one could take the oil. Then get the traditional treatment after that.
    The goal is to eliminate the cancer, not determine which type of treatment worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Too bad.

    The water you use is fluoridated.

    Brisbane (and < 79% of Qld) has a fluoridated reticulated water supply.
    Fluoride only got added in the last few years, and I haven't drunk tap water since 1979 anyway. Too much chlorine.
    Who are you trying to kid? You're just in denial.

    Fluorides have been in Briz tap water since 2008, while bottled and filtered water industry didn't kick off there until around 1990, so I guess you were drinking the sweat from armpits of captive roos to avoid the chlorine while living in Briz, eh? Silly thing to do, as chlorine evaporates out of the treated tap water within a short time, anyway.

    Wasn't it in 1979 when you jumped the gap and ran away to Singapore (fluoridated/chlorinated etc water) and Taiwan, similar? Diesel smoke pollution (containing fluorides) was killing smoke-free Taiwan's population off at the same rate as more polluted cities like Bangkok, San Francisco, Beijing, this found in surveys done around year 2000. It wasn't cigarette smoking that did it.

    Besides, as a vegetarian, you probably ate more fluorides in your vegetarian diet than the average white man, and living in a city, you sucked in more fluorides in the air, all spewed out of motor vehicles.

    But there's hope for ya yet, tamarind, curcumin, selenium and some other foods such as milk and dairy products will help detox you of accumulated fluorides, and a diet high in calcium, magnesium, iodine and Vit D will also help buffer against fluoride's invasive tendencies.

    (There's a myth going around about antibiotics in milk being passed on to humans, an impossibility unless the milk's injected into you. Similarly, hormones in dairy isn't passed on to humans either, they're broken down in the liver immediately after absorption and eliminated, before the nutrients in the milk move through the body. Residual chemicals/pesticides and fluorides in the milk are passed on into the human body, as in all mass produced inorganic food supplies, thus the need to detox.)

    Your big toe problem can also be symptomatic of excess fluorides, not excess calcium, causing fluorosis in the form of fluoro-arthritis, common enough in the North of Thailand and endemic in many parts of the world. If you're also stiffening up and finding difficulty moving your joints, limbs, back, neck etc, and suffering from lack of sleep, then the likelihood is that you're too low in magnesium and iodine and high in fluorides, especially if you're a vego, no dairy, eggs or fish.

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    I'm not answerable to a deranged Welsh twit like you, but for your information, since 1979 I have either collected spring or dam water in large glass wine bottles, or else bought bulk spring water in large, BPA-free polycarbonate containers.

    Water is the least of your problems. The half century of tobacco smoke you have admitted to has addled your brain, buddy. Vascular dementia set in long before you fooled yourself into thinking you corrected all that smoking with lobelia and vitamin B3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    I'm not answerable to a deranged Welsh twit like you, but for your information, since 1979 I have either collected spring or dam water in large glass wine bottles, or else bought bulk spring water in large, BPA-free polycarbonate containers.

    Water is the least of your problems. The half century of tobacco smoke you have admitted to has addled your brain, buddy. Vascular dementia set in long before you fooled yourself into thinking you corrected all that smoking with lobelia and vitamin B3.

    So you've been drinking farm run off water, loaded with pesticides and other agri-chemicals, fluorides again. and probably mixed with cow shit.,...idiot.

    Even spring water contains naturally occurring fluorides.
    Those large bottles of commercial water in BPA-free plastic bottles didn't get to being used until the 1990s, when you claimed to be in Asia, so bullshit again, maggot.


    Again, dopey, your prognosis re. my health runs counter to what my doctors have evaluated.

    Vascular dementia, something I'd not even considered until you brought it up, you seem to be familiar with the condition, along with aspergers, as you've slowed down and become less accurate, noticeably so over the last 6 months or so.

    I had to google the term, and got this;

    Vascular dementia.
    "Thinking skills – taking more time to process information and having problems with attention, planning and reasoning.
    Personality changes – these may include depression and apathy (becoming less interested in things). People may also become more emotional.
    Movement problems – difficulty walking or changes in the way a person walks.
    Bladder problems – frequent urge to urinate or other bladder symptoms. This can be common in older age, but can be a feature of vascular dementia when seen with other symptoms.

    The symptoms of vascular dementia get worse over time. In the later stages the symptoms become more widespread and people need help eating, dressing and toileting. Vascular dementia normally progresses over several years. However, the speed of progression can vary over time and from person to person. There may be a sudden or stepwise change after an event such as a stroke."
    Symptoms | Alzheimer's Research UK

    None of those symptoms apply to me, but must be causing you some worries lately.

    Do you drool as you eat, or when relaxing?


    Strange how at 71 yoa, I'm fit as a fiddle, continue to practice martial arts, keeping up with, and if not faster than, the majority of my school, all of an average age of 25 - 30 yo, innit, maggot?

    Being a creative, intelligent, optimistic happy chappy with several activities to occupy me, ranging from drawing, creating superlative paintings and ceramic mosaic work and sculpture, to organic hydroponic gardens and designing 'value added' structures and systems for my Thai friends' farms and businesses, sees me with no time for misery.

    You seem to think that my smoking habit (a pipe) has screwed me up, but not so, as my lungs are clear, again according to my doctor, not according to a dingo brain such as yourself. You ignore what I mentioned earlier, that it's the exhaust pollution that whacks folks over in cities, not tobacco smoke, proven research.

    Now before you put people off the benefits of Vit B3 as you did with lobelia, consider how you help destroy others lives as a result of your filthy lies and insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix View Post
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    We all die so I just seek finality.

    There is only one injustice in this world.

    That is the retarded countries are yet to legalize euthanasia.
    You mean they are yet to allow other people to take responsibility for your death without being held accountable for your journey to that point, and any last second changes of mind? The problem with euthanasia is that it's passing the buck.

    You could always go to northern Iraq if that's what you want... or bum someone in Iran, or go to the DPRK and make fun of the dear leader.
    If you really want to do it, DIY.

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    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    So you've been drinking farm run off water, loaded with pesticides and other agri-chemicals, fluorides again. and probably mixed with cow shit.
    No. Think again.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Those large bottles of commercial water in BPA-free plastic bottles didn't get to being used until the 1990s, when you claimed to be in Asia, so bullshit again, maggot.
    I have never claimed to be in Asia in ALL the 1990s....just 2 years or so. And I drank bottled spring water then. Moreover, I said :

    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Now before you put people off the benefits of Vit B3 as you did with lobelia, consider how you help destroy others lives as a result of your filthy lies and insults.
    I haven't criticized Vitamin B3 treatment itself, just pointed out that you're fooling yourself if you think you can repair the damage that 50 years of smoking did you. You may feel that your lungs are clear of gunk, but the genetic damage remains.
    Plus the radiation damage. Much of which appears to be to your brain, from the rant you just gave.

    You have also taken the opportunity to also rant about yourself...wanker.

    Filthy lies, eh ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Now before you put people off the benefits of Vit B3 as you did with lobelia, consider how you help destroy others lives as a result of your filthy lies and insults.
    I haven't criticized Vitamin B3 treatment itself, just pointed out that you're fooling yourself if you think you can repair the damage that 50 years of smoking did you. You may feel that your lungs are clear of gunk, but the genetic damage remains.
    Plus the radiation damage.
    What fwkn damage ya stupid twat? You're one of these morons that think the body can't repair itself if the right methods are used. Science seems to be a total mystery to you, as is genetics, going by your response.

    You got more radiation damage than you think by the time you hit 30, look at the state of most Australian's skin, like fwkn crocodiles, living in the Oz sun.
    Driving in a diesel loaded city, Briz, sucking in the diesel and earlier lead loaded petrol fumes, sucking in the fluoride laced air, sitting in front of a TV screen all your life, probably slept within 50 ft of a transformer/ fuse box all your life too, as well as working your sorry butt off in poisonous little garage workshops, sucking in the radiation from your fwkd up welding efforts and eating poisoned veges most of your life, sucking on fake filtered water, as well as farm run off water, eeugh!

    Read up a bit more about Vit B3, in all its forms, and what it can do, and how to use it, before you start yapping on about radiation damage from what,...cigarettes... which I rarely smoked, preferring a pipe. Diesel fumes will kill you faster ya dopey shithead! Go read the research!

    You really are a destructive moron spreading harmful disinformation. You've already put many people off using a simple herb lobelia, to help stop smoking, now you're claiming that VitB3 therapy can't repair damaged tissue and nerves, nor repair DNA! Tell the researchers and the folks benefitting from VitB3 therapy that.

    What goes around comes around, the great wheel of karma's gonna see ya fwkd by the same method you fwkd up everyone else, by your own lies, ya maggot.
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    Wow ! And you said only 3 days ago that you would never have another Aspie meltdown

    Anyone on this forum who has seen my comments on your lobelia obsession can testify to the fact that I have never recommended against taking it.

    What I have consistently said is that one needs to be very careful as it may well cause extreme nausea and vomiting unless only a small dose it taken.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it, wanker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Wow ! And you said only 3 days ago that you would never have another Aspie meltdown
    Lying little toad.

    Anyone on this forum who has seen my comments on your lobelia obsession can testify to the fact that I have never recommended against taking it.
    Ahhh clever, just denied it's efficacy as a healing herb while exaggerating its effect as an emetic, enough to put people off using it.
    You consistently gave lobelia bad press, called it ineffective as an anti-smoking aid, dangerous, quoting unsubstantiated junk like this from wikipedia;

    What I have consistently said is that one needs to be very careful as it may well cause extreme nausea and vomiting unless only a small dose it taken.
    Another load of unsubstantiated bolix from your store of lies.

    It takes around a pound of the herb to cause the puking that you gleefully screech about, an overdose is nigh on impossible, you'll vomit first.

    More unsubstantiated crap from you;
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    Because of its similarity to nicotine, the internal use of lobelia may be dangerous to susceptible populations, including children, pregnant women,[21] and individuals with cardiac disease. Excessive use will cause nausea and vomiting.[22] It also has a chemical known as Lobellicyonycin, which may cause dizziness.
    Several studies show that lobelia is ineffective in helping people to quit smoking.
    https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ml#post2369675 (1st time over a decade I have gone 24 hours without a cigarette)

    Similar to nicotine? Cr*p. Read up on Nicotinic acid, aka Vit B3, made from tobacco by the medical industry.

    Susceptible populations? Read the article below Lobelia's been used as an aid in childbirth, counter to your quoted claim that it's dangerous to pregnant women. How come? (see below, para. 2 of article)

    "Unsubstantiated and unreferenced claims of lobelia toxicity entered the medical literature of the Regulars in 1810, on the basis of selective testimony in the trial of Samuel Thomson for allegedly causing the death of Ezra Lovett the year before. Those claims have been copied and cited uncritically ever since,"

    (The Physiomedicalist Institute in Chicago) taught the use of lobelia in unrestricted doses without regard for toxicity as recently as 1910. Lobelia was listed as an official medicine — as a treatment for asthma — in the first United States Pharmacopoeia in 1820, and remained official in the U.S.P. until 1920. Medical doctors of the Eclectic school used it as an antispasmodic emetic and childbirth aid at least through the 1940s.

    The plant’s medicinal action and potential toxicity is attributed to its content of the alkaloid lobeline, present at between 0.26 and 0.40 % in the plant. Lobeline hydrochloride was used as an emergency respiratory stimulant in intravenous, intramuscular, and subcutaneous doses by conventional physicians in the U.S. beginning in 1938 (Osol and Farrar). This use was still listed in pharmacology texts as recently as 1971 (Gisvold and Doerge). Lobeline sulfate for oral use was sold without prescription in the U.S. as recently as 1990 as a smoking deterrent

    Even the American Medical Association’s AMA Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants (Lamps and McCann) fails to mention serious side effects to lobelia, although the statement that symptoms are similar to those produced by nicotine (“but usually more transient”) might be taken as an assertion of toxicity, as nicotine is a strong poison. No reference is made to any deaths that may have occurred or to a lowest fatal dose.

    Lobelia: is lobelia toxic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Now before you put people off the benefits of Vit B3 as you did with lobelia, consider how you help destroy others lives as a result of your filthy lies and insults.
    Hyperbole, thy name is ENT.

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    You're projecting again, lunatic.
    The moon is almost full (4/4/2017) and your observable cyclical manic phase has peaked, so blood pressure in your brain will now drop for a while until you start to rev up again in about 10 days or so.

    Cheers,

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    Mania ? You had some personal experience of this with your husband, didn't you ?

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