Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

**Humbert** · 21-04-2019, 02:24 PM

Impeachment is a public disgrace whether or not a President is removed from office. Nixon resigned to avoid it.

**Norton** · 21-04-2019, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Nixon resigned to avoid it.

Perhaps 45 will do the same.

**HuangLao** · 21-04-2019, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Impeachment is a public disgrace whether or not a President is removed from office. Nixon resigned to avoid it.

Yet, in this case I don't think this fellow Trump would ever consider resigning - forthcoming disgraces or not.
He thinks too highly of himself in a megalomaniac/Dunning-Kruger fashion.

**raycarey** · 21-04-2019, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

It's the best strategy for creating a televised spectacle that will end in impeachment.

i disagree.

there's a very real risk of independents seeing impeachment as an overreach by house dems......and everyone knows it won't get any traction in the senate....so, it will be portrayed by the GOP as a waste of time and money.

he's only president because of ~80,000 total votes in MI, WI and PA. dems can't take the chance of turning these people off....they need to be compelled to go to the polls in 2020.

vote him out in 2020 and then let him face the myriad indictments coming his way.

added...

that's not to say that they shouldn't keep up the current investigations and subpoena everyone....including his family.

**raycarey** · 21-04-2019, 03:53 PM

erik prince definitely needs to be indicted for lying to congress.

**Humbert** · 21-04-2019, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

there's a very real risk of independents seeing impeachment as an overreach by house dems

If the situation was reversed, Republicans would not hesitate to impeach. Section II of the Mueller report is a damning summary of 10 instances of obstruction of justice. This requires strong action not worrying about the tender sensibilities of 'independents'. Republicans win because they do not shy away from a fight. Seemingly a lesson lost on the Democratic leadership. If Democrats let this pass and spend their time in the next election blathering about transgender bathrooms and slavery reparations they will lose big time.

**happynz** · 21-04-2019, 05:41 PM

I can't say I'd disagree here with Elizabeth Warren.

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**Maanaam** · 21-04-2019, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by happynz

I can't say I'd disagree here with Elizabeth Warren.

Succint and absolutely correct.

**raycarey** · 21-04-2019, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

If the situation was reversed, Republicans would not hesitate to impeach

no doubt.
and that's what they did in '98 and clinton's popularity soared because he was perceived as being a victim of a partisan attack.

Originally Posted by Humbert

This requires strong action not worrying about the tender sensibilities of 'independents'.

in this day and age, securing the votes of independents is how elections are won.
dems and progressives are going to come out to the polls no matter what....they need the independents to make sure trump is ousted and possibly take back the senate.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Republicans win because they do not shy away from a fight.

again, i agree....and dems in general need to toughen up and fight on their level....but more importantly, the dems need to choose their battles...and i don't think this is a good one.

but i would strongly support them if they:
round up everyone who lied to congress and then put them in jail.
subpoena everyone involved the corrupt inauguration
pull everyone remotely connected to trump-world in to give testimony in an open session of congress.

Originally Posted by Humbert

If Democrats let this pass and spend their time in the next election blathering about transgender bathrooms and slavery reparations they will lose big time.

no doubt those issues are losers for 2020....but IMO, so is impeachment.
i would guess that the GOP and trump campaign are eagerly waiting for the dems to start impeachment hearings because they think they can capitalize on it.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-04-2019, 10:10 PM

Warren is appealing to the same left wing butthurt snowflakes as baldy orange cunto does to his trumpanzees.

A schoolgirl mistake that would drive an even bigger wedge between right and left.

**Humbert** · 22-04-2019, 01:36 AM

Cummings: Trump will be "emboldened" if Democrats "do nothing"

**Maanaam** · 22-04-2019, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

no doubt.
and that's what they did in '98 and clinton's popularity soared because he was perceived as being a victim of a partisan attack.

But Clinton's "crimes" stemmed from a bit of slap and tickle. Trump's "grab 'em by the Pussy" did him no harm, either. A man being a "man".
Trump's crimes however are those of a scoundrel abusing the office and with hints of unpatriotic behaviour.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Warren is appealing to the same left wing butthurt snowflakes as baldy orange cunto does to his trumpanzees.

Not at all. What she wrote in that series of tweets was all correct and aimed at the majority that can think for themselves. Trump on the other hand tweets lies and self-promotion to an audience he's knowingly playing and absolutely knows are dumb.

**Humbert** · 22-04-2019, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

But Clinton's "crimes" stemmed from a bit of slap and tickle. Trump's "grab 'em by the Pussy" did him no harm, either. A man being a "man".
Trump's crimes however are those of a scoundrel abusing the office and with hints of unpatriotic behaviour.

Agree. And the problem, for now, is that a great many Democrats wish to put politics above their constitutional duty to protect the constitution. There is nothing 'butt hurt' about pursuing impeachment. To do otherwise would be cowardly.

**Klondyke** · 22-04-2019, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

...unpatriotic behaviour...

i.e. trying rather to communicate with other "non-Americans" than to immediately bomb them. That's the most serious "unpatriotic" crime for an American...

**harrybarracuda** · 22-04-2019, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Agree. And the problem, for now, is that a great many Democrats wish to put politics above their constitutional duty to protect the constitution. There is nothing 'butt hurt' about pursuing impeachment. To do otherwise would be cowardly.

Go ahead. It guarantees baldy orange cunto a second term.

**Humbert** · 22-04-2019, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Go ahead. It guarantees baldy orange cunto a second term.

Trump's popularity is at 37% after the release of the Mueller report. He is hated by the vast majority of Americans. His cult is strong but not strong enough to win his re-election. Given his dishonesty, history of lies and corruption it is difficult for me to believe that somehow a majority of voters will suddenly develop amnesia about his behavior and tag Democrats with over reach. You listen to the pundits and talking heads too much.

**Maanaam** · 22-04-2019, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump's popularity is at 37% after the release of the Mueller report. He is hated by the vast majority of Americans. His cult is strong but not strong enough to win his re-election. Given his dishonesty, history of lies and corruption it is difficult for me to believe that somehow a majority of voters will suddenly develop amnesia about his behavior and tag Democrats with over reach. You listen to the pundits and talking heads too much.

Even factoring in the Republican gerrymandering, with the right reminders by celebrities etc of Trump's utter unsuitability as POTUS, there will not be pity votes from outside that fuckwit core and Trump will be out.
To face state charges.

**harrybarracuda** · 22-04-2019, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump's popularity is at 37% after the release of the Mueller report. He is hated by the vast majority of Americans. His cult is strong but not strong enough to win his re-election. Given his dishonesty, history of lies and corruption it is difficult for me to believe that somehow a majority of voters will suddenly develop amnesia about his behavior and tag Democrats with over reach. You listen to the pundits and talking heads too much.

You would think people would learn, but no....

**longway** · 22-04-2019, 11:05 PM

The libtards on here are even stupider and more delusional than I remember them to be. I will be back November 2020 to laugh you morons again.

**harrybarracuda** · 22-04-2019, 11:51 PM

This report just keeps on giving...

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**RPETER65** · 23-04-2019, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Agree. And the problem, for now, is that a great many Democrats wish to put politics above their constitutional duty to protect the constitution. There is nothing 'butt hurt' about pursuing impeachment. To do otherwise would be cowardly.

You scared the voters won’t take care of that in 2020

**Maanaam** · 23-04-2019, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You scared the voters won’t take care of that in 2020

Well, there's still the 30% of rednecks who support Trump no matter how crooked or crass he is, but more to the point, there's a mandate for Congress to not ignore malfeasance in the Whitehouse.

**cyrille** · 23-04-2019, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by longway

The libtards on here are even stupider and more delusional than I remember them to be. I will be back November 2020 to laugh you morons again.

Last edited by longway; Yesterday at 11:17 PM.

**mudcat** · 23-04-2019, 06:28 PM

I keep coming back to censure by the House as a alternative to impeachment. It would probably qualify as an exception to rules about grand jury secrecy and provide more focused exposure rather than the multiple committees pursuing more narrow angles. With McConnell in control of the Senate floor probably no Senate action unless there is a legislative maneuver to bring it to a vote. Avoids the cries of a coup is taking place to subvert the voters ( in the electoral college).

**baldrick** · 24-04-2019, 12:40 PM

preaching to twits ?

Twitter has suspended over 5,000 accounts tied to a network amplifying a message denouncing the report by Special Counsel Robert Mueller as a "RussiaGate hoax." According to a researcher, the accounts—most of which had only posted three or four times in the past—were connected to other accounts previously used to post pro-Saudi messages.

In response to an inquiry by Ars, a Twitter spokeswoman said, "We suspended a network of accounts and others associated with it for engaging in platform manipulation—a violation of the Twitter Rules." An investigation into the network is still ongoing, the spokeswoman said, but no determination has yet been made about who was behind the campaign.

"In cases such as this, attribution is difficult," the spokeswoman noted. "If we do have reasonable evidence to support state-backed activity, we will disclose the accounts as part of our information operations archive." (This archive is the data repository used to reveal operations of networks previously tied to election manipulation and other state-backed information operations.)

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/twitter-shuts-down-network-of-5000-possibly-saudi-pro-trump-bots/

and the drumpf squeals about lost fans

On Tuesday, President Trump hosted Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey in the Oval Office for a closed-door meeting, during which the leader of the free world spent an inordinate amount of time complaining about lost Twitter followers, according to a source familiar with the conversation.

The Twitter chief, for his part, tried to reassure the president that the company’s staff merely wants his follower count to be as bot-free as possible.

This is what the most powerful person in the world was preoccupied with Tuesday.

A large percentage of the meeting, which included senior White House officials such as Trump’s social media director Dan Scavino, was spent addressing the subject of @realDonaldTrump’s follower count. The president stated his belief that he had lost some of his roughly 59 million followers in anti-Trump, anti-conservative Twitter purges, according to a source familiar with the meeting.

Dorsey, according to this knowledgeable source, had to explain to the president that like other Twitter users, @realDonaldTrump periodically loses followers when the site deletes fake or bot accounts. Dorsey even said he himself had lost followers as a result of Twitter’s efforts to delete fake accounts.

Twitter CEO Gently Tells Trump: Your ?Lost? Followers Are Bots and Spam Accounts

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