Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by raycarey

not trying to be argumentative, but trump is going to make the calculation of whether or not it's in his best interest to fire mueller...and if he determines it's what is best for him, he'll fire mueller.

and the GOP won't do anything about it.

Read an interview with Trump's lawyer who categorically stated that they hadn't discussed firing Mueller and it wasn't even on the table.

Which is to say they most likely have and that Trump's considering it.

I wonder how much laundered money has made it’s way to US politician’s pockets.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Read an interview with Trump's lawyer who categorically stated that they hadn't discussed firing Mueller and it wasn't even on the table.

Which is to say they most likely have and that Trump's considering it.

Yes. He said "definitely wont be fired" while saying the subject never came up. So how does he know Trump won't fire him if they hadn't discussed it?

I bet the conversation went something like this:
Trump; I'm gonna fire that sumbitch!
Lawyer: Sir, I urge you most strongly to not even threaten it blah blah blah.
Chorus of lawyers; Sir, it will be seen as obstruction and as the act of a guilty person blah blah...
All the aides: Sir, the polls indicate this would be a bad move blah blah....
Trump: But I wanna fire that muzzafargah!!!
The entire room: Please, please, dont!!! Blah blah blah...
Trump; Ok, ok...I'll fire him when this is over.
Collective thoughts of all present: Ermmmm, you won't be able to if you're in prison....

Pretty good read here. About time Washington lobbyist get shaken up.

Manafort’s Indictment Is a Wake-up Call for K Street

The advocacy industry has been skirting the law on foreign-influence peddling for too long. But Mueller’s investigation shows that things are about to change.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...up-call-215763

Originally Posted by misskit

The advocacy industry has been skirting the law on foreign-influence peddling for too long

You're goddamn right.

Originally Posted by misskit

But Mueller’s investigation shows that things are about to change.

It better. Everything in the news is Manafort! Manafort! Manafort! Manafort!

And as much as I dont want it to be - and as much as I want to believe that Muller will be completely non-partisan and unpolitical and go after anyone under his directive that breaks the law regardless of political affiliation - I have my doubts.

I hope I'm proven wrong.

There's a fairly high likelihood that your baseless inferences of impropriety and partisanship will be proven wrong.

Originally Posted by misskit

Pretty good read here. About time Washington lobbyist get shaken up.

Manafort’s Indictment Is a Wake-up Call for K Street

The advocacy industry has been skirting the law on foreign-influence peddling for too long. But Mueller’s investigation shows that things are about to change.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...up-call-215763

That's interesting and about time.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

There's a fairly high likelihood that your baseless inferences of impropriety and partisanship will be proven wrong.

Great. Does that mean you will finally stfu with shit like this:

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

And thus the Distract-o-Tron(TM) was activated and turd polishing begun in earnest...

Because that would be really great.

Originally Posted by Slick

Does that mean you will finally stfu with shit like this:

Well no, not if there are Distract-o-Trons(TM)being activated and turds being polished.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Why do the right insist on changing the topic or pointing fingers rather than face the fact that the investigation is into the Trump campaign. Not Hillary.

It's Whataboutism. And Distract-o-Trons(TM) and turd-polishing.

Blatantly obvious and transparent.

Originally Posted by Cujo

the investigation is into the Trump campaign. Not Hillary.

Thats not true.

Mueller’s authority specifically includes “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.” Rosenstein’s directive also says Mueller can pursue “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” including crimes like perjury or obstruction of justice.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...estions-238536

Its you, that wants it to be only about Trump. And that would be against his overall directive.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Here is a quote from the NY Times. This name will likely be familiar to those paying attention, and it will be important when the Trump laundering scheme is fully exposed.

"The tax and money laundering case against Mr. Manafort describes a complicated scheme in which he lobbied for a pro-Russia party in Ukraine and its leader, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and hid proceeds in bank accounts in Cyprus, the Grenadines and elsewhere. Prosecutors say he laundered more than $18 million, and spent the money extravagantly. A home improvement company in the Hamptons was paid nearly $5.5 million, according to the indictment. More than $1.3 million more went to clothing stores in New York and Beverly Hills, Calif."

So where did the rest come from and what happened to it?

Financial ties between a Russian oligarch and President Donald Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, are far stronger than what has previously been reported.
Manafort is linked to entities that engaged in a a previously unreported $26 million loan with a company owned by Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, who is a billionaire and reportedly has ties to the Kremlin, according to an NBC News investigation.
Company documents show "funds were sent from a company owned by Deripaska to entities linked to Manafort, registered in Cyprus," NBC reported.
Including the loan, a total of roughly $60 million in business dealings have taken place over the past decade, according to financial documents filed in Cyprus and the Cayman Islands, NBC reported.

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/14/pau...onship-report/

Originally Posted by Slick

Everything in the news is Manafort! Manafort! Manafort! Manafort!

imagine that.

the president's campaign manager was indicted for conspiring against the united states, and somehow it's leading the news.

Originally Posted by Slick

And as much as I dont want it to be - and as much as I want to believe that Muller will be completely non-partisan and unpolitical and go after anyone under his directive that breaks the law regardless of political affiliation - I have my doubts.

oh you have doubts about mueller's partisanship, eh?

he's a registered republican
he was nominated to be FBI director by GWB
he was unanimously confirmed by the senate 98-0
obama extended his term beyond the normal 10 years

but slick (armed with his GED), has his doubts.

The law and order Republicans and Trump should be heaping praise on Mueller for job well done. So far the silence is deafing. Wonder why? Just askin like...

Originally Posted by Norton

So far the silence is deafing. Wonder why?

Because they stopped putting the country first. To them it is blind loyalty to the oligarchs and the party. They will not be remembered well in the history books that is one thing that is for sure.

Should be interesting when he hears his bail conditions...

Just one day after pleading not guilty to a 12-count indictment, Paul Manafort was described as a major flight risk by prosecutors because of his wealth and international connections.


According to court documents unsealed Tuesday, prosecutors say they believe Manafort -- a former chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign -- and his business associate Richard Gates were at risk of fleeing.


“The defendants pose a risk of flight based on the serious nature of the charges, their history of deceptive and misleading conduct, the potentially significant sentences the defendants face, the strong evidence of guilt, their significant financial resources, and their foreign connections,” the court documents read.


Manafort is known to have a significant amount of wealth. Between 2012 and 2016, he listed his assets to be between $19 million and $136 million, the New York Daily News reported.


“His financial holdings are substantial, if difficult to quantify precisely,” Tuesday’s documents revealed.


The 68-year-old was also being considered a flight risk because of his foreign connections. The Washington Post reported that Manafort keeps three U.S. passports and has submitted 10 passport applications in recent years.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...l-counsel.html

Some hacked texts reveal not only how close the Manafort-Trump relationship was, but also some very harsh words about him (Manafort)...

As Trump tries to distance himself from Manafort, hacked texts reveal just how close the two were - NZ Herald

"Manipulative"; "power hungry egomaniac"; "psycho"...

From his own daughters!

Originally Posted by Slick

Mueller’s authority specifically includes “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.” Rosenstein’s directive also says Mueller can pursue “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” including crimes like perjury or obstruction of justice.

And I believe that is exactly what Mueller will do regardless of who or party affiliation.

Originally Posted by Norton

And I believe that is exactly what Mueller will do regardless of who or party affiliation.

Of that there is not doubt because reality shows that Mueller is or was a republican. The right wing fever swamps however would like their flock of sheeple to believe otherwise.

it's an interesting case, above all if you are a lobbyist and you need sources of income from abroad, between national elections, to pay your bills

did he fail to declare those revenues ? it's a tax and "money laundering" case, nothing to do with a Russian political conspiracy

"money laundering" is a catch all name for tax authorities when you put in place a "legal" and sophisticated way of not disclosing income

the trick is not to use the income in the US, which he did, so that's how he got fucked !!!

should have spend it all in Europe, in Paris, Milan and London, and he would have been safe

at least it's another Trump promise fulfilled,

all those K streets lobbyists are going to shit their pants as they could be next,

that will empty the swamp quite easily

Originally Posted by bsnub

Yes,

I particularly like; "Hey, Donny, you're so smart, you've said it so many times....go talk to Mueller, you will be able to outsmart him..."
On top of "If you're watching just in case Fox And Friends plays this..."

Any chance Cobb and Kelly will be fired for advising 45 to talk to Mueller?

heard a very interesting piece of information today....

if manafort lied on his federal tax form (as the indictment alleges), he more than likely lied on his state tax form as well.....and trump can't pardon him on any state charges.

i'd wager manafort was thinking about that last night.