Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

The whole "thing" is a distraction.

USA political system is developed partisan good guys vs. bad guys, highly publicized show designed to, and effective at, separating you from your money.

Both sides are the same - they operate the same way, just change the names.

If you are republican - it is entirely your fault that obama got elected because you did not sent every one of your pennies to the RNC.
If you are democrat - it is entirely your fault that trump got elected because you did not sent every one of your pennies to the DNC.

Couple that with the networks who are so dependent upon advertising dollars, and the talking heads, our political pundits at large who are just so damn good at pushing the right buttons and fanning the flames of partisan passion that they have managed to keep political partisanship alive and well year round, every year.

And, the American sheeple just eat it up. What a bunch of bullocks. Played like the rubes they are.

Originally Posted by bowie

Both sides are the same

that's demonstrably untrue to the woman in alabama who needs an abortion.
that's demonstrably untrue to families in virginia beach who are going bury their loved ones in the next few days.

i could go on.....but the simple fact is that's demonstrably untrue to anyone who is even remotely paying attention.

Correct, and the worst part of the whole 'both are the same' fallacy is that it acts as a buffer and an excuse for the worst excesses and acts of the likes of Drumpf.

Originally Posted by Norton

The report once made public will be a report like any law enforcement investigation report.

it is not like any law enforcement, it's a special investigation with the FBI at the center of it, it doesn't start after being called on a crime scene, it starts on simple allegations or rumors, hence it's political by the very nature of the investigation.

Remember Ken Starr report on Clinton sexual conduct? can you seriously say it wasn't politically motivated? what crimes was comitted? sticking cigars in woman's pussy? did that warrant an investigation? and how did they get him again? oh yeah, not for the sexual conduct, but for lying after putting him on a corner and publicly humiliating him.

You think that kind of MO is unique and not happening again and again?

it's simple stupidity, not a criminal offense or impeachable

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it's simple stupidity, not a criminal offense or impeachable

Yeah, it's nothing, just Trump being Trump. Never mind that the president is inviting foreign powers to contribute to his re-election by offering 'free' dirt on his political opponents which is a violation of campaign finance laws.

Go on, now bring up Hillary Clinton.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Yeah, it's nothing, just Trump being Trump. Never mind that the president is inviting foreign powers to contribute to his re-election by offering 'free' dirt on his political opponents which is a violation of campaign finance laws.

Go on, now bring up Hillary Clinton.

yep, didn't she try the same thing? Hilary was Trump in a skirt, and she wasn't as funny. At least Trump is delivering.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

yep, didn't she try the same thing?

Er? No.

Trump actually publicly asked the Russians to hack clintons email.
The next day they did.

Trump actually publicly asked the Russians to hack clintons email.
The next day they did.

is it really hacking when all your emails are on your home server with no firewall and your admin password is 'hello123'

shit, just remembered I should my passwords too

Hillary Clinton's e-mail server was not hacked. The DNC server was hacked. Sheeesh. Get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Hillary Clinton's e-mail server was not hacked. The DNC server was hacked. Sheeesh. Get your facts straight.

oh yeah, probably sharing the same admin password

even a Trump intern could have hacked those mail servers,

Wassa matta mr g, did I strike a nerve?...

Off to my loser locker

jesus...

More from GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS’ interview with PRESIDENT TRUMP for ABC NEWS’ “THIS WEEK”:


STEPHANOPOULOS: “What’s your pitch to the swing voter on the fence?”

TRUMP: “Safety, security, great economy. I think I’ve done more than any other first-term president ever. I have a phony witch hunt, which is just a phony pile of stuff. Mueller comes out. There’s no collusion. And essentially a ruling that no obstruction. And they keep going with it. You know what? People are angry about it.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “I don’t think that’s why he found -- but we don’t have time for that now. We’ll talk about later.”

TRUMP: “That is what they found. Excuse me. He found no collusion. And they didn’t find anything having to do with obstruction because they made a ruling based on his findings and they said no obstruction.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “They didn’t examine collusion. He laid out evidence of obstruction.”

TRUMP: “Oh, are you trying to say now that there was collusion even though he said there was no collusion?”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “He didn’t say there’s no collusion.”

TRUMP: “He said no collusion.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “He said he didn’t look at collusion.”

TRUMP: “George, the report said no collusion.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “Did you read the report?”

TRUMP: “Uh, yes I did, and you should read it, too.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “I read every word.”

TRUMP: “All right, let’s go. You should read it, too, George.”

video should be up on youtube soon.

STEPHANOPOULOS: “Did you read the report?”

TRUMP: “Uh, yes I did, and you should read it, too.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “I read every word.”

TRUMP: “All right, let’s go. You should read it, too, George.”

Trump and Trumptards exist in their own little world where they just ignore any fact they find inconvenient and replace it with bullshit.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Trump and Trumptards exist in their own little world where they just ignore any fact they find inconvenient and replace it with bullshit.

It really is mind boggling that people can be so stupid.

the transcript i posted above is included in this video and starts at 6:25.




it's obvious he's lying about reading the report.

(CNN)Robert Mueller's long-awaited public testiomony next month will give Democrats their best and perhaps last chance to seize on the Russia scandal to try to inflict a decisive political wound on President Donald Trump.

The former special counsel's appearance on Capitol Hill on July 17, announced late Tuesday, represents a serious blow to a President who has spent weeks misrepresenting Mueller's final report.

Democrats hope the spectacle of the respected former FBI director testifying on television will move Americans against Trump in a way Mueller's dense, 448-page report did not.

The appearance also has the potential to significantly reshape the debate among Democrats over whether to open impeachment hearings, a step so far opposed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who fears a political backlash.

"Our interest is for the American people to hear it from him," House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, a New York Democrat, said on "Cuomo Prime Time."

"There has been a campaign of misrepresentation by Attorney General Barr ... by the President, who keeps saying the report found no collusion, no obstruction. That's not true either way."

Trump quickly responded to news of Mueller's looming appearance with a two-word tweet: "Presidential Harassment!"

The twin hearings, in the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, have the potential to become one of the most riveting days of political television and congressional dramas in years.

"He commands such credibility in a town where sometimes it feels like the truth doesn't matter anymore," Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, an Illinois Democrat who's a member of the Intelligence Committee, told CNN's Don Lemon.

"This is Mueller unplugged. I think there is going to be a Super Bowl-sized audience for it."

Should the appearance not live up to expectations of political pyrotechnics, however, it could further help Trump's aggressive bid to shift the political narrative away from the Russia storm as he campaigns for reelection.

Democratic struggles

The breakthrough, after Mueller reluctantly signaled that he will not resist a subpoena, comes with House Democrats struggling to effectively build a public case against Trump.

Days of private hearings, transcripts of interviews of the President's associates and Democratic outrage have failed to manifestly alter baked-in public perceptions of Trump and the Russia probe -- which broadly follow partisan lines. Most polls show a majority of Americans still oppose what would be the traumatic national experience of impeachment.

But it is unclear whether the former special counsel will reveal any new information: Mueller has said he would not go beyond what he already included in his report in any testimony.

After a stellar career in law enforcement, Mueller is loath to be drawn into the kind of partisan circus that unfolds in House hearings with blockbuster witnesses facing the cameras.

"The report is my testimony," Mueller said in May.

But Democrats hope that his appearance will be a powerful moment in itself and they will seek to draw out the former special counsel -- a deeply experienced witness after decades in Washington.

They are likely to pepper him with questions like: What was the most compelling evidence of obstruction of justice on the part of the President? They will be sure to ask Mueller why he did not make a formal recommendation on whether Trump is guilty of obstruction. He will also likely to be asked to explain a letter he sent to Attorney General William Barr faulting his new superior's initial characterization of the special counsel report.

In March, Barr wrote to Congress to inform lawmakers that Mueller had not found a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia and that Barr and then-Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had determined there was not sufficient evidence to bring an obstruction case against the President.

The move was condemned by critics as presenting a cherry-picked case and the best possible interpretation of the report for the President, which allowed Trump to set a misleading political narrative that he had been cleared by Mueller.

And Mueller may be questioned on whether he meant to hint in the report that it is up to Congress to decide whether the evidence merits impeachment hearings.

Mueller wrote in the report that his team was obliged to follow Justice Department guidance that says a sitting President cannot be indicted for a crime.

"There is no limitation on confining his testimony to the four corners of the report -- that may be his desire, but Congress has questions that go beyond the report," House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, a California Democrat, told CNN's Manu Raju.

Mueller chose not to clear Trump

Mueller's only public appearance of his two-year probe -- a short press statement on May 29 -- comprehensively contradicted Trump's claims of "no collusion" with Russia or obstruction of justice.

Mueller said instead that there was "insufficient evidence" to charge a conspiracy after writing in his report that the Trump campaign "expected to benefit" electorally from Russian interference.

On the question of obstruction of justice, Mueller added that "if we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Republicans are certain to use the hearing to run interference for the President, as they have during other Democratic-led hearings seeking to highlight the Russia scandal.

They are likely to point out that Mueller did not recommend prosecution of the President or members of his campaign team over their mysterious meetings with Russians during the campaign, which were detailed in the report.

Republicans will enter the hearing armed with Trump's talking points, including his claim that the special counsel's team of prosecutors was packed with Democrats who were biased against the President.

"I hope the special counsel's testimony marks an end to the political gamesmanship that Judiciary Democrats have pursued at great cost to taxpayers," said Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

It was not clear whether the White House or the Justice Department can do anything to curtail Mueller's testimony. He is no longer employed by the Justice Department.

Pelosi, who must control a growing minority of around 80 House members who want Trump impeached, suggested the hearings would require members of Congress to honor their oath and "patriotic duty to follow the facts, so we can protect our democracy."

In the absence of impeachment hearings, which would not likely be followed by a conviction of Trump in the Republican-led Senate, Pelosi hopes to use public cross-examinations of key witnesses in the Russia saga to convince Americans that Trump is unfit to serve a second term.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...ess/index.html

Mueller will appear on the hill on 17th July.

Which already has baldy orange cunto tweeting "Presidential harrassment!".

Great!

another big fail coming up