Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by RPETER65

https://www.longroom.com/discussion/...-with-russians

Are you stupid? Did I not already say Muller DOES NOT LEAK?

Excerpt) Read more at: Breitbart

Breitbart at the top your bookmarks, eh Repeater?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Are you stupid? Did I not already say Muller DOES NOT LEAK?



Breitbart at the top your bookmarks, eh Repeater?

You said? I could care less what you said as you are not at the top off my highly intelligent list.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I could care less what you said as you are not Breitbart or Fox News.

FTFY.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

FTFY.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

you are not at the top off my highly intelligent list.

Apparently Herman Cain is so that does not lend much to your ability to judge anyone's intelligence.

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

At the time, Mr. Trump’s national security team, including Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, scrambled to keep American strategy on track without mention of a withdrawal that would drastically reduce Washington’s influence in Europe and could embolden Russia for decades.

Now, the president’s repeatedly stated desire to withdraw from NATO is raising new worries among national security officials amid growing concern about Mr. Trump’s efforts to keep his meetings with Mr. Putin secret from even his own aides, and an F.B.I. investigation into the administration’s Russia ties.

A move to withdraw from the alliance, in place since 1949, “would be one of the most damaging things that any president could do to U.S. interests,” said Michèle A. Flournoy, an under secretary of defense under President Barack Obama.

“It would destroy 70-plus years of painstaking work across multiple administrations, Republican and Democratic, to create perhaps the most powerful and advantageous alliance in history,” Ms. Flournoy said in an interview. “And it would be the wildest success that Vladimir Putin could dream of.”

Retired Adm. James G. Stavridis, the former supreme allied commander of NATO, said an American withdrawal from the alliance would be “a geopolitical mistake of epic proportion.”

“Even discussing the idea of leaving NATO — let alone actually doing so — would be the gift of the century for Putin,” Admiral Stavridis said.

Senior Trump administration officials discussed the internal and highly sensitive efforts to preserve the military alliance on condition of anonymity.

After the White House was asked for comment on Monday, a senior administration official pointed to Mr. Trump’s remarks in July when he called the United States’ commitment to NATO “very strong” and the alliance “very important.” The official declined to comment further.

American national security officials believe that Russia has largely focused on undermining solidarity between the United States and Europe after it annexed Crimea in 2014. Its goal was to upend NATO, which Moscow views as a threat.

Russia’s meddling in American elections and its efforts to prevent former satellite states from joining the alliance have aimed to weaken what it views as an enemy next door, the American officials said. With a weakened NATO, they said, Mr. Putin would have more freedom to behave as he wishes, setting up Russia as a counterweight to Europe and the United States.

An American withdrawal from the alliance would accomplish all that Mr. Putin has been trying to put into motion, the officials said — essentially, doing the Russian leader’s hardest and most critical work for him.

When Mr. Trump first raised the possibility of leaving the alliance, senior administration officials were unsure if he was serious. He has returned to the idea several times, officials said increasing their worries.

Mr. Trump’s dislike of alliances abroad and American commitments to international organizations is no secret.

The president has repeatedly and publicly challenged or withdrawn from a number of military and economic partnerships, from the Paris climate accord to an Asia-Pacific trade pact. He has questioned the United States’ military alliance with South Korea and Japan, and he has announced a withdrawal of American troops from Syria without first consulting allies in the American-led coalition to defeat the Islamic State.

NATO had planned to hold a leaders meeting in Washington to mark its 70th anniversary in April, akin to the 50-year celebration that was hosted by President Bill Clinton in 1999. But this year’s meeting has been downgraded to a foreign ministers gathering, as some diplomats feared that Mr. Trump could use a Washington summit meeting to renew his attacks on the alliance.

Leaders are now scheduled to meet at the end of 2019, but not in Washington.

Mr. Trump’s threats to withdraw had sent officials scrambling to prevent the annual gathering of NATO leaders in Brussels last July from turning into a disaster.

Senior national security officials had already pushed the military alliance’s ambassadors to complete a formal agreement on several NATO goals — including shared defenses against Russia — before the summit meeting even began, to shield it from Mr. Trump.
But Mr. Trump upended the proceedings anyway. One meeting, on July 12, was ostensibly supposed to be about Ukraine and Georgia — two non-NATO members with aspirations to join the alliance.

Accepted protocol dictates that alliance members do not discuss internal business in front of nonmembers. But as is frequently the case, Mr. Trump did not adhere to the established norms, according to several American and European officials who were in the room.

He complained that European governments were not spending enough on the shared costs of defense, leaving the United States to carry an outsize burden. He expressed frustration that European leaders would not, on the spot, pledge to spend more. And he appeared not to grasp the details when several tried to explain to him that spending levels were set by parliaments in individual countries, the American and European officials said.

Then, at another leaders gathering at the same summit meeting, Mr. Trump appeared to be taken by surprise by Jens Stoltenberg, the NATO secretary general.

Backing Mr. Trump’s position, Mr. Stoltenberg pushed allies to increase their spending and praised the United States for leading by example — including by increasing its military spending in Europe. At that, according to one official who was in the room, Mr. Trump whipped his head around and glared at American officials behind him, surprised by Mr. Stoltenberg’s remarks and betraying ignorance of his administration’s own spending plans.

Mr. Trump appeared especially annoyed, officials in the meeting said, with Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and her country’s military spending of 1 percent of its gross domestic product.

By comparison, the United States’ military spending is about 4 percent of G.D.P., and Mr. Trump has railed against allies for not meeting the NATO spending goal of 2 percent of economic output. At the summit meeting, he surprised the leaders by demanding 4 percent — a move that would essentially put the goal out of reach for many alliance members. He also threatened that the United States would “go its own way” in 2019 if military spending from other NATO countries did not rise.

During the middle of a speech by Ms. Merkel, Mr. Trump again broke protocol by getting up and leaving, sending ripples of shock across the room, according to American and European officials who were there. But before he left, the president walked behind Ms. Merkel and interrupted her speech to call her a great leader. Startled and relieved that Mr. Trump had not continued his berating of the leaders, the people in the room clapped.

In the end, the NATO leaders publicly papered over their differences to present a unified front. But both European leaders and American officials emerged from the two days in Brussels shaken and worried that Mr. Trump would renew his threat to withdraw from the alliance.

Mr. Trump’s skepticism of NATO appears to be a core belief, administration officials said, akin to his desire to expropriate Iraq’s oil. While officials have explained multiple times why the United States cannot take Iraq’s oil, Mr. Trump returns to the issue every few months.
Similarly, just when officials think the issue of NATO membership has been settled, Mr. Trump again brings up his desire to leave the alliance.

Any move by Mr. Trump against NATO would most likely invite a response by Congress. American policy toward Russia is the one area where congressional Republicans have consistently bucked Mr. Trump, including with new sanctions on Moscow and by criticizing his warm July 16 news conference with Mr. Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

Members of NATO may withdraw after a notification period of a year, under Article 13 of the Washington Treaty. Such a delay would give Congress time to try blocking any attempt by Mr. Trump to leave.

“It’s alarming that the president continues to falsely assert that NATO does not contribute to the overall safety of the United States or the international community,” said Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat who is among the lawmakers who support legislation to stop Mr. Trump from withdrawing from the military alliance. “The Senate knows better and stands ready to defend NATO.”

NATO’s popularity with the public continues to be strong. But the alliance has become a more partisan issue, with Democrats showing strong enthusiasm and Republican support softening, according to a survey by the Ronald Reagan Institute.

Kay Bailey Hutchison, Washington’s ambassador to NATO and a former Republican senator, has sought to build support for the alliance in Congress, including helping to organize a bipartisan group of backers.

But even if Congress moved to block a withdrawal, a statement by Mr. Trump that he wanted to leave would greatly damage NATO. Allies feeling threatened by Russia already have extreme doubts about whether Mr. Trump would order troops to come to their aid.

In his resignation letter last month, Mr. Mattis specifically cited his own commitment to America’s alliances in an implicit criticism of Mr. Trump’s principles. Mr. Mattis originally said he would stay through the next NATO meeting at the end of February, but Mr. Trump pushed him out before the new year.
Acting Defense Secretary Patrick M. Shanahan is believed to support the alliance. But he has also pointedly said he thinks that the Pentagon should not be “the Department of No” to the president.

European and American officials said the presence of Mr. Mattis, a former top NATO commander, had reassured allies that a senior Trump administration official had their back. His exit from the Pentagon has increased worries among some European diplomats that the safety blanket has now been lost.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/u....co/KKV4EviIDI

Originally Posted by bsnub

Apparently Herman Cain is so that does not lend much to your ability to judge anyone's intelligence.

Face it snubs Herman Cain’s accomplishments are light years ahead of yours. I’ll take a brain surgeon over a computer gamer any day.

^

Interesting. I did not realize that Herman Cain is a brain surgeon.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^

Interesting. I did not realize that Herman Cain is a brain surgeon.

When you're a racist old white Fox News viewer, all them black people look the same, you know.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When you're a racist old white Fox News viewer, all them black people look the same, you know.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^

Interesting. I did not realize that Herman Cain is a brain surgeon.

No? But I did realize you to be a computer gamer.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When you're a racist old white Fox News viewer, all them black people look the same, you know.

Get it straight Harry it’ Breitbart.

Oh look, the racist old white Fox viewer is trying to muddy the waters after confusing Herman Cain with Ben Carson.

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Russia. Russia, one old aircraft carrier, old ships old planes, old tanks, couldn't invade Norway and win.

Cold war has been over for years, Russia is only a threat to old minds, living in the passed.

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That's not at all an accurate assessment.

Tell the people of Crimea that the Russians aren't a threat.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

That's not at all an accurate assessment.

Tell the people of Crimea that the Russians aren't a threat.

And while you're at it, mention it to Georgia and Chechnya.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Russia. Russia, one old aircraft carrier, old ships old planes, old tanks, couldn't invade Norway and win.

Cold war has been over for years, Russia is only a threat to old minds, living in the passed.

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They have a bigger military budget than any of their European neighbours.

Methinks you must have been reading a 1981 copy of Janes or something.

Somewhere along the line Putin pulled off one of the worlds biggest public relations coups.

Riding around shirtless on a horsey seems to have endeared him to certain sections of the right. They like big, tough, men apparently (even if they're actually chubby short-arses).

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Tell the people of Crimea that the Russians aren't a threat.

As a matter of fact, try to tell them. What do you think that will be their reaction?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They have a bigger military budget than any of their European neighbours.

Methinks you must have been reading a 1981 copy of Janes or something.

Go on and post it, google is your fiend,.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Go on and post it, google is your fiend,.

Seriously? You don't believe Russia has a bigger military budget than any of their European neighbours?

Do you live in a cave out there in the sticks?

^ He tricked you. Fiend being the (sorta) opposite of friend.

Multiple Sources Have Reportedly Told Mueller That Trump Personally Directed Michael Cohen to Lie to Congress About Moscow Tower Project


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...s-mueller.html

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Multiple Sources Have Reportedly Told Mueller That Trump Personally Directed Michael Cohen to Lie to Congress About Moscow Tower Project


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...s-mueller.html

The question is: Has Cohen told Mueller that?

The ever-shifting Trumpland explanations on the whole 'Russian thing':


'There were no contacts with Russians! None! Zero! Nada!

OK there were contacts but there was no collusion with Russia!

Alright, alright so we tried to collude but nothing came of it and, by the way, collusion is not a crime! OK...There was collusion but it didn’t involve Trump!!'