Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

**OhOh** · 31-03-2017, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Interesting that the TD defenders of all things Trump have scuttled off tail between their legs as the indefensible becomes obvious.

Fake allegations parroted here along with the MSM does make life tedious.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Well, there are those 35 jobs being created on Keystone pipeline.

Partime, unpaid, internships I heard.

Never mind more ameristanis doing what they are universally recognised, slaughtering poor brown people over there, are being shipped daily. Presumably increase in the armed forces numbers employed can be counted as a success?

Originally Posted by longway

which is the report that is the lynch pin of this entire fantasy, has now been forced to retract parts of its report as it was found to making shit up

But will anybody care, "the Russisn done it", is now the fact in many minds.

Originally Posted by longway

Or are you just a bunch of pussies just here to clutch one another and bitch about trump?

Not just here, many of the MSM are loving the upsurge in income. GDP numbers are through the roof.

Well some are the real hard data derived are somewhar shrinking daily.

Hope, another ameristani destroyed English word. Along with, "a good life", life is what you make it", We will take in the world's poor and helpless" .......

One good thing, Trump is just following previous projections so he can rightfully point to others.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2017, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

I guess you didn't hear about the US airstrike in Mosul that accidently killed over 200 civilians?

Yes, I did. I'm sure that after the ameristanis investigation is complete, what a year, a decade, from now, there will be a whole range of alternative reasons for the alleged brown poor peoples deaths touted around discussion boards for "opinions".

One fact though, ISIS do not have an airforce, so somebody in the crusader coalition is to blame, ultimately. Will they face charges and sent to prison, will they face a firing squad. Not a chance, they will receive a heroes medals.

**bsnub** · 31-03-2017, 11:28 AM

Oh great another Putin nob gobbling propagandist shows up.

**Humbert** · 31-03-2017, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh great another Putin nob gobbling propagandist shows up.

But his motives are so pure. He's saintly.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh great another Putin nob gobbling propagandist shows up.

Excellent retort from such an educated man.

Originally Posted by Humbert

But his motives are so pure. He's saintly.

Too late, he has a new position, sainthood has gone. President Putin has been named The LORD, (The Leader Of the Russian Democracy)

Please keep up.

**raycarey** · 31-03-2017, 12:19 PM

disgraced, former NSA flynn is seeking immunity from prosecution before he testifies about the russians and the trump campaign & transition.

flynn's been around the block, and he knows that you don't lie to congress or FBI---because that's an almost guaranteed ticket to jail.

oh, and btw, this is what flynn had to say just a few months ago on the topic of immunity...

"When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."

Flashback: Mike Flynn said immunity probably equals guilt

**Humbert** · 31-03-2017, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert But his motives are so pure. He's saintly. Too late, he has a new position, sainthood has gone.

I was referring to you but I may have confused saintly with sanctimonious.

**Storekeeper** · 31-03-2017, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

flynn's been around the block, and he knows that you don't lie to congress or FBI---because that's an almost guaranteed ticket to jail.

Not defending Flynn ... but he's no Oliver North. Flynn ain't gonna fall on his sword for tRump.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2017, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

I was referring to you

I understood that but went with one of the other possibilities, no problem.

**Dragonfly** · 31-03-2017, 01:34 PM

any new Russian spies been spotted in town yet ?

**OhOh** · 31-03-2017, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

any new Russian spies been spotted in town yet ?

Only the ones with Israeli passports, do they count?

**raycarey** · 31-03-2017, 03:37 PM

trump's former NSA is seeking immunity from the FBI before he testifies.....even the disciples of the orange jesus have to agree that this is a completely surreal turn of events.

i hope the FBI turns his ass down...unless, of course, he flips on someone further up the chain.

**raycarey** · 31-03-2017, 03:44 PM

oh, and btw...

another quick flynn flashback:

**Norton** · 31-03-2017, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

unless, of course, he flips on someone further up the chain.

As ex-national security adviser and top campaign advisor the only one further up is Trump. However, if he lied to FBI when previously questioned, no immunity is possible for that.

**raycarey** · 31-03-2017, 04:55 PM

i was thinking about bannon, kushner, sessions, and trump.

**Norton** · 31-03-2017, 05:12 PM

Could be anyone. Depends on how pissed off he is over the firing. He crrtainly knows more insider dirt than most.

**thailazer** · 31-03-2017, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

trump's former NSA is seeking immunity from the FBI before he testifies.....even the disciples of the orange jesus have to agree that this is a completely surreal turn of events.

i hope the FBI turns his ass down...unless, of course, he flips on someone further up the chain.

Immunity might be the key that unlocks the big picture. I say let him have it so the world can know what he knows.

**raycarey** · 31-03-2017, 08:07 PM

OK, but he might just be using the immunity to get him off the hook for not disclosing that he was working as a foreign agent for Turkey...and then he could proceed to deceive, inveigle and obfuscate (x-files!) on any russia/trump connections.

it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

**Cujo** · 31-03-2017, 10:39 PM

US intelligence officials had serious concerns about Michael Flynn’s appointment as the White House national security adviser because of his history of contacts with Moscow and his encounter with a woman who had trusted access to Russian spy agency records, the Guardian has learned.

US and British intelligence officers discussed Flynn’s “worrisome” behaviour well before his appointment last year by Donald Trump, multiple sources have said.

They raised concerns about Flynn’s ties to Russia and his perceived obsession with Iran. They were also anxious about his capacity for “linear thought” and some actions that were regarded as highly unusual for a three-star general.

Flynn was forced to quit in February, after 24 days in the job. He resigned when it emerged he had lied to the vice-president, Mike Pence. Flynn said he had not discussed lifting US sanctions on Russia with Sergei Kislyak, Moscow’s US ambassador, but later admitted this was untrue.

On Thursday, Flynn indicated he was willing to testify before the FBI and congressional committees about potential links between the Trump campaign and Russia in exchange for immunity. In a statement released by his lawyer, Flynn said he had a story to tell but was seeking “assurances against unfair prosecution”.

The house oversight committee is examining the general’s activities before he joined Trump’s White House. It is likely to focus on Flynn’s contacts with foreign nationals and will also look at fees he may have received from foreign governments, including Russia and Turkey, and linked entities.

The committee will further consider what security vetting Flynn received before he took up the job. It is seeking information from five senior officials including the FBI director, James Comey. Earlier this month, Comey confirmed his agency was investigating possible collusion between Trump and Russia to influence the outcome of the US election.
Donald Trump with Flynn in December 2016. Photograph: Carlos Barria/Reuters
Flynn’s erratic conduct had troubled US intelligence officials for some time, multiple sources have told the Guardian.

One concern involved an encounter with a Russian-British graduate student, Svetlana Lokhova, whom Flynn met on a trip to Cambridge in February 2014.

At the time, Flynn was one of the top US spies and the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which provides information to the Pentagon about the military strengths and intentions of other states and terrorist groups.

Trump, Russia and Flynn: ex-adviser clearly has a gripping tale to tell

A historian and a leading expert on Soviet espionage, Lokhova has claimed to have unique access to previously classified Soviet-era material in Moscow. She says her forthcoming book makes groundbreaking revelations about Soviet military intelligence operations run by the GRU – Russia’s military spy agency.

Western historians say access to intelligence agency records in Moscow has been severely restricted under Vladimir Putin. One Russian historian who has written extensively on Russian intelligence said the situation with the GRU was “a complete disaster”.

“At least with the FSB and SVR [domestic and foreign spy agencies] there are places you can apply to view the archives, but with the GRU there’s not even a place to apply,” the historian said.

“Maybe two or three military historians have been allowed in. Sometimes there are duplicates in other archives, but getting into the actual GRU archive is basically impossible.”

Flynn and Lokhova were introduced to each other at the end of a dinner attended by 20 guests who included Sir Richard Dearlove – the former head of MI6 – and Prof Christopher Andrew, the official MI5 historian.

Flynn says the meeting with Lokhova was “incidental” and lasted just 20 minutes. However, Andrew has said Flynn invited Lokhova to accompany him on his next official visit to Moscow to help with simultaneous translation. The trip fell through soon afterwards because of Putin’s annexation of Crimea, Andrew wrote in the Sunday Times.

The Guardian understands Flynn and Lokhova remained in email contact, conducted through an unclassified channel. In one email exchange described by Andrew, Flynn signed himself as “General Misha”, Russian for Mike.

Lokhova also listed Flynn as one of four referees who would provide selective endorsements for her book, which is expected to detail how Russian spies penetrated the US atomic weapons programme.

Though there is no suggestion of impropriety, Flynn would have been expected to “self report” any conversation with an unknown person, especially with links to an “adversary” country, such as Russia.

Flynn did not disclose his conversation with Lokhova, the Wall Street Journal reported. Whatever concerns the US intelligence agencies had over Flynn, he retained his top-level security clearance.

Price Floyd, a spokesman for Flynn, said: “This is a false story. The inference that the contact between Gen Flynn and a Russian [dual] national described in this story should be seen in any light other than incidental contact is simply untrue.”

Floyd refused to comment on questions about the alleged email correspondence, or the potential citation for Lokhova’s book.

Lokhova’s partner, David North, also declined to comment in detail. He said Lokhova and Flynn “had a 20-minute public conversation” and have not “met or spoken since”. North disputed Andrew’s account of the dinner in Cambridge and did not answer questions about the emails.

Multiple sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the CIA and FBI were discussing this episode, along with many others, as they assessed Flynn’s suitability to serve as national security adviser.

The Cambridge meeting was part of a wider pattern of “maverick” behaviour which included repeated contacts with Russia, the sources said.

After he resigned from the DIA in 2014, Flynn became a contributor to RT, formerly known as Russia Today, the Kremlin’s English-language news channel.

In summer 2015, Flynn met Trump for the first time after being invited to do so by his team. That year he received about $45,000 (£36,000) for attending RT’s gala dinner in Moscow, where he sat next to Putin. Flynn also accepted $11,250 from two Russian firms for speaking engagements in Washington. One of them was Kaspersky Lab, a cybersecurity company with ties to the Kremlin.

The US army is investigating the RT transaction and whether it was properly disclosed, according to a source close to US intelligence. The US constitution’s emoluments clause forbids military officers from accepting foreign government payments without the permission of Congress.

The sources pointed to a reported remark by Sally Yates, the former acting attorney general, who had told the White House in January that Flynn was vulnerable to blackmail by Russian intelligence.

Flynn’s spokesman said Flynn had signed on with a speakers’ bureau after his 2014 resignation, as other former senior government officials have done. He said Flynn had alerted the DIA about the RT speech before he travelled and had briefed the DIA upon his return. The spokesman said Flynn had “nothing to hide”.

As DIA chief, Flynn visited the GRU in Moscow in 2013. He was the first US officer ever allowed inside its headquarters, where he gave a lecture on leadership. “It was a great trip,” he told the Washington Post, adding that it was fully approved. Flynn was keen to make a second GRU visit but permission was denied, it is understood.

In January, the Obama administration said the GRU was behind the operation to hack the US election. Putin has described claims of Russian interference as “fictional, illusory, provocations and lies”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-russian-ties

He was the first US officer ever allowed inside its headquarters, where he gave a lecture on leadership.

Why the phuck would he be giving a lecture to the GSU???

You've got to wonder why Trump would even PICK such a guy in the first place.

**Klondyke** · 31-03-2017, 11:07 PM

Latest WikiLeaks release shows how the CIA uses computer code to hide the origins of its hacking attacks and 'disguise them as Russian or Chinese activity'

WikiLeaks published 676 source code files today which it claimed are from CIA
It says the CIA disguised its own hacking attacks to make it appear those responsible were Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean

The 676 files released today are part of WikiLeaks' Vault 7 tranche of files and they claim to give an insight into the CIA's Marble software, which can forensically disguise viruses, trojans and hacking attacks.
WikiLeaks says the source code suggests Marble has test examples in Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic and Farsi (the Iranian language).

Read more: WikiLeaks says CIA disguised hacking as Russian activity[at] | Daily Mail Online
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**Cujo** · 31-03-2017, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Latest WikiLeaks release shows how the CIA uses computer code to hide the origins of its hacking attacks and 'disguise them as Russian or Chinese activity'

WikiLeaks published 676 source code files today which it claimed are from CIA
It says the CIA disguised its own hacking attacks to make it appear those responsible were Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean

The 676 files released today are part of WikiLeaks' Vault 7 tranche of files and they claim to give an insight into the CIA's Marble software, which can forensically disguise viruses, trojans and hacking attacks.
WikiLeaks says the source code suggests Marble has test examples in Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic and Farsi (the Iranian language).

Read more: WikiLeaks says CIA disguised hacking as Russian activity[at] | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Are you suggesting Obamas CIA used the internet to influenced the election in Trumps favour??
Stranger things have happened I suppose.
Meanwhile in the physical world people are meeting people they shouldn't and giving speeches they shouldn't and accepting payments they shouldn't and meeting other people they shouldn't and doing things things they shouldn't. (and so on).

**Cujo** · 31-03-2017, 11:37 PM

Russian deception influenced election due to Trump's support, senators hear
Former FBI special agent discusses Russia’s longstanding ‘active measures’ – including the spread of fake news – before Senate intelligence committee

Thursday 30 March 2017 19.43 BST Last modified on Thursday 30 March 2017 20.22 BST
Donald Trump’s willingness to embrace Russian disinformation was one of the reasons Russia’s interference in the 2016 election worked, the Senate panel investigating the president’s alleged ties to the country heard on Thursday.

Decades of Russian covert attempts to undermine confidence in western institutions, including planting or promoting false news stories or spreading doubt about the integrity of elections, will accelerate in the future unless the US confronts so-called “active measures”, several experts testified to the Senate intelligence committee.

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“Part of the reason active measures have worked in this US election is because the commander-in-chief has used Russian active measures at time [sic] against his opponents,” said Clint Watts of George Washington University’s Center for Cyber and Homeland Security.

Those active measures have migrated online with alacrity in recent years. Watts, a former FBI special agent and army officer who came under personal siege from Russian-backed hackers, told the panel’s first public hearing that social media accounts associated with spreading pro-Russian fake news were visible as far back as 2009.

The expert added that Russia possessed unreleased hacked information on thousands of Americans it could “weaponize” to discredit inconvenient sources. Those and other measures provided Russia with an inexpensive tool to check its wealthier adversaries in the US and Nato, several scholars and former US officials assessed.

When asked why the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, felt the 2016 US election provided the Kremlin an opportunity to intervene – the consensus position of US intelligence agencies – Watts pointed to Trump.

Wittingly or not, Trump and his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, embraced and promoted narratives, including false ones, convenient to Russian interests, including a fake story about a terrorist attack on the Turkish airbase at Incirlik used by US forces and baselessly doubting the US citizenships of Barack Obama and Ted Cruz.

“On 11 October, President Trump stood on stage and cited what appears to be a fake news story from [the Russian propaganda outlet] Sputnik News that disappeared from the internet. He denies the intel from the United States about Russia. He claimed that the election could be rigged – that was the number one theme pushed by RT, Sputnik News,” Watts testified.

The first public hearing by the Senate intelligence committee into its Trump-Russia investigation featured none of the partisan rancor that has defined its counterpart in the House of Representatives.

The Republican chairman, Richard Burr of North Carolina, himself a Trump ally during the campaign, pledged a “thorough, independent and non-partisan review” of evidence potentially tying Trump to Russia, a commitment echoed by the top panel Democrat, Mark Warner of Virginia.

“If we politicize this process, our efforts will likely fail,” Burr said at the outset of the hearing.

The House of Representatives’ inquiry has taken a back seat to the public drama surrounding its leader, the California Republican Devin Nunes. Nunes is under Democratic pressure to recuse himself after his promotion of information provided to him at the White House and cancellations of public hearings prompted allegations of covering up for Trump. The New York Times on Thursday reported that two White House staffers aided Nunes’s effort last week, Ezra Cohen-Watnick of the National Security Council and Michael Ellis, an attorney who formerly worked on Nunes’s committee.

Nunes’s spokesman, Jack Langer, said: “As he’s stated many times, Chairman Nunes will not confirm or deny speculation about his source’s identity, and he will not respond to speculation from anonymous sources.”

The Senate’s hearings have not yet featured key testimony from serving intelligence and law enforcement officials, so they have not yet encountered the same high-stakes pressure as the House’s, which last week saw the leadership of the FBI and NSA publicly reject Trump’s evidence-free allegation that Obama placed him under surveillance.

But in what Burr and Warner promoted on Wednesday as a sign of their seriousness, Burr assigned seven committee staffers to the inquiry. That would be more than Burr’s predecessor, the California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, had on the vast review of CIA torture, though that inquiry quickly lost GOP support.

Urging a response to Russian interference in the election, Watts said the US approach to Russia was provocatively ambiguous.

“I’m not sure what our policy or stance is with regards to Russia at this point in the United States. I think that’s the number one thing we’ve got to figure out, because that will shape how they interface with us,” he told senators.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ence-committee

Meanwhile Putin watches the evening news and laughs his arse off.

**Dragonfly** · 31-03-2017, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

It says the CIA disguised its own hacking attacks to make it appear those responsible were Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean

of course they do, only the useful idiots in this thread believe they don't

The Hillary server was probably hacked by the CIA, probably didn't trust the bitch, and were spying on Trump in his golden tower to see what he was up to.

Democracy at work, made in USA

**longway** · 01-04-2017, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

trump's former NSA is seeking immunity from the FBI before he testifies.....even the disciples of the orange jesus have to agree that this is a completely surreal turn of events.

It got surreal a long long time ago gayfairy.

**longway** · 01-04-2017, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Fuk off with your chav obsession with betting. This is a forum not a god damn pub. This is always your last resort when you have no answers. Turn it into a bet. Low class scumbag.

Humperdink's got sand in her vagina again. You are all mouth and no trousers humperdink, clearly. You go girl.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What do you propose is at stake?

Well the last time the stake was to never post on TD again for the loser. But you can propose something if you like.

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