Thread: Proposal would establish California as separate nation

^good one!

Originally Posted by misskit

Pot calling the kettle black, Texan.

That shits been going on since like 1860, not just dramatically exploded overnight because Trump is president and they lost.

Its also been deemed unconstitutional. And basically impossible without an incredibly serious revolution, or all remaining states agree (I believe) and its Texas History.

Unlike California, the state full of crybaby wankstains.

Shits a fucking joke.

Surely you can see the difference here.

Originally Posted by Slick

Surely you can see the difference here.

Of course: rightist Christian pistol-totin', trailer trashin' good ol' boys (the ones that can read anyway) want Texas to secede (until the oil runs out); progressive educated atheists want California to secede (until other states can catch up anyway)...the difference is benighted and day...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Of course: rightist Christian pistol-totin', trailer trashin' good ol' boys (the ones that can read anyway) want Texas to secede (until the oil runs out); progressive educated atheists want California to secede (until other states can catch up anyway)...the difference is benighted and day...

Jesus christ tomcat you are literally the definition of a bitch aren't you?

Originally Posted by tomcat

progressive educated atheists want California to secede

Because you lost, democratically, the election. Literally you lost, by the rules that were wholly and completely known beforehand, and for hundreds of years, and now its this shit. Not because of any other reason has this set off, and you know it.

Originally Posted by tomcat

rightist Christian

Im atheist, but um, whats your problem with religious people? I mean that clearly makes you a big, fat, bitchy hypocrite.

It's always interesting to see how people these days react to democratic processes when things don't go their way.

After Trump won the election by securing the electoral college vote by a wide margin, there was this oupouring of angst because Clinton ended up with a small margin in the overall popular vote.

In the UK referendum on exiting the EU, there was a clear margin of victory for the "leave" side. 52% versus 48% ....so the "popular" vote won handily enough.
Then there was an outpouring of angst from the losing side about that, and calls for another referendum, interference by the courts, and every imaginable way to prevent the government from implementing what had been chosen by the majority of voters.

Maybe a military junta with state controlled media is best after all.......

Originally Posted by Slick

Jesus christ tomcat you are literally the definition of a bitch aren't you?

......

Originally Posted by Slick

whats your problem with religious people?

...take an occasional look at the news from Oklahoma

Originally Posted by Slick

I mean that clearly makes you a big, fat, bitchy hypocrite

...repetitive, Slick...you're regressing to ao's more primitive style...

Originally Posted by koman

It's always interesting to see how people these days react to democratic processes when things don't go their way.

...Heavens, you're bored...

Originally Posted by koman

Maybe a military junta with state controlled media is best after all......

The end of the day the liberals have really been showing their ass after the Trump win. I mean before, yeah, situation normal. Now? Non-stop full fucking retard.

Shit pops up everywhere people trying to make political statements. For example tampons' thread about the girl that took testosterone injections 'to become a guy' - in high school mind you - and defeated like 56 consecutive girls and went on to win the state championship, when she should have been disqualified, and stopped from stealing trophies and exposure from these other high school girls. Dont forget, these girls depend on this shit for scholarships and whatnot, but OH NO, nope, that does not matter because.... Wait for it.... They didnt let her compete with the guys. So she didnt quit, didnt exercise good sportsmanship, she went out, on steroids, and beat them all. Probably one of the most un-American things Ive seen perpetuated recently.

They don't realize people see this shit, and take note. This is what a Democrat vote is today. Its a disgrace.

Same thing here, with this "California Seceding" from the union noise. If there was ever a bunch of unsportsmanlike crybabies on planet earth, chocked full piss and vinegar over the most ridiculous and asinine 1st world problems known to humanity, it would be the group tampon rolls in, the hypocritical extremist liberals.

Of course tomfat will do the typical retarded liberal thing and enable 2nd grade narrative flip mode, and say some childish bitchy comment about "redneck" or "trailer park" or whatever and use the laughing emoticon while stating something along the lines of me being the upset one teehee lololol, when in actuality, a lot of this shit isn't even remotely funny, or a game.

But hey, end of the day, the more stunts they pull, the more it makes a Democrat vote look ridiculous.

Edit:

^^ two laughing emoticons already.

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by tomcat
progressive educated atheists want California to secede
Because you lost, democratically, the election. Literally you lost, by the rules that were wholly and completely known beforehand, and for hundreds of years, and now its this shit. Not because of any other reason has this set off, and you know it.

Obama?s Re-Election Inspires Southern Secessionists | TIME.com


All because The President is a nig-CLANG!



Talk about showing your ass!

Originally Posted by misskit

is a nig-CLANG!

The fuk is this?

Originally Posted by misskit

Talk about showing your ass!

Now kitty is gonna start showing her bias. Neat.

Yeah because Cali making a fuss over Trump is the same thing as 50 states "filling out the papers" like a formality

^ Young whippersnapper. Go watch Blazing Saddles and lighten up.

No, because your state wanted to leave the union because Obama got elected again.

Originally Posted by Slick

Fuckin democratically elected president and you jokers are daydreaming of seceding and revolution because you lost an election.

Hey, wank stain, the impetus to secede was given momentum after the last presidential election; it wasn't born then. Whereas, before the election, only about 25% of Californians wanted to secede, after Trumpton won the election that percentage spiked to about 33% of Californians. And that is before there is any serious public debate, as well as advertisements, on the issue.

Originally Posted by Slick

Its also been deemed unconstitutional. And basically impossible without an incredibly serious revolution, or all remaining states agree (I believe) and its Texas History.

That's true, as far as I know. And the process to even get a resolution to secede on the ballot puts more brakes on the process. About 600,000 signatures are required by the middle of July to get a bill on the ballot of the next general election which asks Californians to remove the language in the state's constitution which says the federal constitution is the "supreme law of the land". That is the only obstacle, currently, which prevents California from seceding, according to state law.

Then if that bill passes, the wording in the state's constitution will be removed and another bill will be introduced in a general election which, if 55% of 50% of registered California voters agree, will begin the process of secession. And that process you mentioned above will begin. But nobody says it has to remain peaceful. California has the 5th largest economy in the world and don't you think it could garner some European allies, not to mention Oregon and Washington, EH?

So who would agree with the U.S. that it should bloodily put down a revolution to secede in California?

AND A SHOUT OUT TO MISSKIT FOR JOINING THIS DEBATE.

Originally Posted by Sumbitch

So who would agree with the U.S. that it should bloodily put down a revolution to secede in California?

I think ol' Honest Abe might disagree...but then he never foresaw the Trumpmare that darkened America...

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by misskit

Pot calling the kettle black, Texan.

That shits been going on since like 1860, not just dramatically exploded overnight because Trump is president and they lost.

Its also been deemed unconstitutional. And basically impossible without an incredibly serious revolution, or all remaining states agree (I believe) and its Texas History.

Unlike California, the state full of crybaby wankstains.

Shits a fucking joke.

Surely you can see the difference here.

The next election (circus) is 3 years and 8 months away.

No need for the Trump hater hysteria IMO, that is being displayed daily by Hollyweird celebs, comedians, media personalities and....*cough*....internet fora posters.

California is not going anywhere nor is any other state.

The Feds will not allow it Constitutionally nor militarily.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The Feds will not allow it Constitutionally nor militarily.

...shush! Slick's fixin' to put on a show!....

From wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascad...ence_movement)):

Cascadia (independence movement)

Cascadia is a bioregion and possible proposed country located within the western region of North America. Potential boundaries differ, with some drawn along existing political state and provincial lines, and others drawn along larger ecological, cultural, political, and economic boundaries.

The country might consist of Washington, Oregon, portions of other U.S. states and British Columbia, Canada. At its maximum extent, Cascadia would stretch from coastal Southeast Alaska in the north into Northern California in the south, and inland to include parts of Idaho, Western Montana, Wyoming, and Yukon. More conservative proposed borders include the land west of the crest of Cascade Range, and the western side of British Columbia.

Interesting idea if Calexit becomes a reality, EH?

Look at this wiki page also: Partition and secession in California

Did Russia provide funding and support for booster of California secession movement?


SACRAMENTO, Calif. — In February 2018, as organizers of the so-called “CalExit” campaign to have California secede from the union and form its own country, a Russian national named Aleksandr Ionov sent electronic messages to a secession supporter, court documents say. Ionov offered funding for a protest that would have supporters make their way into then-Gov. Jerry Brown’s office.

Ionov and the organizer traded proposed designs for posters for the event, and eventually wrote that he sent $500 to the organizer, who on Valentine’s Day led a demonstration at the state Capitol “in support of California’s secession from the United States,” court papers say.


Afterward, Ionov corresponded in Russian with a member of the Russian Federal Security Service, or FSB, boasting that the FSB officer had asked for “turmoil” in the United States. “There you go,” Ionov wrote, court papers say.


The effort was part of a “years-long foreign malign influence campaign that used various U.S. political groups to sow discord, spread pro-Russian propaganda, and interfere in elections within the United States,” the Justice Department said in an announcement Friday during which authorities in Tampa, Fla., revealed Ionov had been indicted there on charges of targeting political groups in Florida, Georgia and California “to further Russian interests.”


Court documents identify the organizer in California only as “unidentified co-conspirator 6,” an American who had lived in Russia and California and was the founder and president of an unnamed group seeking to have California secede from the union.


That individual appears to be Louis J. Marinelli, the one-time founder of CalExit and the Yes California political action committee who subsequently gave up on his quest and now lives in Arkansas.


In a lengthy statement posted online over the weekend, Marinelli acknowledges that he first met Ionov in 2016 but says he never helped the Russian government.


Marinelli wrote that he is “not and never was an illegal agent of the Russian government tasked with sowing discord in the United States.”


“The discord in America is thriving well without Russia’s help,” he wrote. “Furthermore, I never received funding from the Russian government or Mr. Ionov to engage in political activities, spread pro-Russian propaganda, or interfere in elections within the United States.”


Instead, he wrote that he knew Ionov in Russia and used his office space in Moscow.


“In December of 2016, Mr. Ionov allowed me to use his office in Moscow to put on an exhibit of California history and civil rights and to invite the media to a presentation in this office,” Marinelli wrote. “This exhibit included topics that are taboo and even illegal in Russia.


“For example, an exhibit on Harvey Milk and the struggle for LGBT rights is not something one would expect to come across in the middle of Moscow, a city where gay pride parades are illegal and one could be arrested for disseminating ‘gay propaganda’ under a 2013 law signed by Vladimir Putin.”


He added that he later spoke to Ionov about his plans to stage an effort to have California break free from the United States.


“In January 2018, I informed Mr. Ionov in the course of our normal ongoing dialogue between friends that I was returning to California from Russia to file a new ballot initiative for a California independence referendum and to hold a rally at the State Capitol in Sacramento on Valentine’s Day that year,” Marinelli wrote. “The leadership team at Yes California specifically chose this date because divorces skyrocket around this time in the United States and we were just preparing to launch our ‘National Divorce’ theme with a broken heart graphic detailing California on one side and the other 49 states on the other.


“Mr. Ionov offered financial assistance which amounted to a few hundred dollars. However, this was a free event taking place on public property with a permit from the California State Police. Meanwhile, the organization’s president, Marcus Ruiz Evans, put together the money for the ballot initiative filing fee. In fact, the only expenses we had were getting to Sacramento and printing posters with our broken heart graphic. Mr. Evans paid for our trip to Sacramento and the posters were paid for by donations solicited through our extensive mailing list.


“Regardless of what Mr. Ionov may have believed and reported to his superiors, the money he offered was not used for political purposes but simply to supplement my modest salary as an English teacher that month in a provincial Russian city.”


Marinelli added that Ionov never had control over political efforts in California.


“This is particularly evident by the fact that, to his disappointment, we never stormed the governor’s office as he suggested we do that day in Sacramento,” Marinelli wrote. “The following year, in August of 2019, when Mr. Ionov insistently tried to give me large sums of money to hire street artists to paint 3-5 murals containing various political messages on buildings across California, I stalled until his September 3 deadline, never took the money, and the murals were never painted.


“Likewise in September that year, Mr. Ionov wanted us to organize flash mobs in California, which we also did not do.”


Marinelli wrote that he had reached out to the FBI’s tip line in the case “to provide my information should they be looking to contact me,” and that he had abandoned the independence movement for California “because it had been taken over by a cabal of leftist lunatics infected with the woke mind virus ...”


The secession effort was hindered, in part, by Marinelli’s residence in Russia, which organizers said in 2017 had led some supporters to back out because of ears of being accused of being involved in something Russia was pushing.


Yes California also posted a video on Twitter denying any ties to Russia, noting that court papers do not identify the group by name and playing video from the Valentine’s Day 2018 rally to show it was a small, peaceful event that did not gain entry to the governor’s office.


MSN

Marinelli wrote that he is “not and never was an illegal agent of the Russian government tasked with sowing discord in the United States.”

And of course he is lying or very stupid.