Maybe you needed to pay closer attention instead of obsessing over Obama's birth certificate. I was more specifically talking about the Cascadia movement in that post you quoted. The group has been very active and was growing in popularity the entire time Obama was in office. Most people on the west coast have little in common with mid west and southern states. Many here would gladly break ranks and leave them behind as unlikely as it is to happen.Originally Posted by Slick
I have more in common with someone in Vancouver BC than someone from Asscrack, Texas for example.
The Federal Government should shut this nonsense down now before it goes any further and end the sanctuary state and city defiance of Federal Law while they're at it.
The issue of a state seceding from the Union was decided by the Civil War. Governor Moonbeam will shit when he looks out the window and sees a few thousand Army troops coming to get him.
^ So, you have just admitted the US is an involuntary union of states. Figured so. Like China- not like the UK, EU, or ex-USSR.
But why is it then, that when it comes to things like registering guns, you always rave on about State rights?
Last edited by sabang; 30-01-2017 at 08:53 PM.
I imagine because states do have rights and responsibilities...secession, however, isn't among them...Originally Posted by sabang
You mean, like this? The Federal government wishes to register gun ownership- much as you register your pet dog in the US. Some states resist, and refuse. So should the Feds send-Originally Posted by BobR
To put these rebels in their place?Originally Posted by BobR
Governor Moonbeam! I always like him.
I wish him the best, apparently his cancer is back, and he's dopped up on nasty pharma.
Godspeed guv!
California is more likely to fall off into the ocean, than secede.
Anyone who studied the Civil War knows that, slavery was only a side issue, the real issue was when the Southern states tried to leave the Union. Ask the people of the Falklands about their "voluntary" association with the UK.
Never "raved" about states rights over guns, quite the opposite, the right to own guns comes from the Federal Constitution and so States don't have any right to mess with it. Fortunately Trump will appoint a replacement for Scalia with the NRA seal of approval and maybe some of the other liberals on the Court will kick off while he's in office.
Last edited by BobR; 31-01-2017 at 08:21 AM.
It is not "voluntary"- it is entirely Voluntary. Not sure why- the argies have much better steak, but that's the way it is. Maybe they don't like Siesta.Originally Posted by BobR
But you obviously would not allow a Referendum on such things? Not in your own country, anyway. So lets hear it for Freedom and Democracy!!
^ Nope, because there are millions of Republicans in California and plenty of mature liberal Democrats who are loyal to America, and these people should not want to be put in the position of having to move just to retain their American citizenship.
This would be especially absurd because a few wackos cannot accept that crooked Hillary lost the election.
From the website of Alex Padilla, California Secretary of State:
Initiatives and Referenda Cleared for Circulation
The Attorney General prepares a circulating title and summary of the chief purpose and points of a proposed initiative measure. Proposed initiative measures are cleared for circulation on the day the circulating title and summary is sent to the initiative proponent(s). No petition may be circulated for signatures before it has been cleared to do so by the Attorney General.
1795. (16-0011A1)
California Nationhood. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.
Summary Date: 01/26/17 | Circulation Deadline: 07/25/17 | Signatures Required: 585,407
Proponent: Marcus Evans president@yescalifornia.org
Repeals provision in California Constitution stating California is an inseparable part of the United States and that the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Places question of whether California should become a separate country on a future ballot. Treats result of such future vote as declaration of independence from the United States if 50 percent of registered voters participate and 55 percent of those voting approve. Requires Governor to request California admission to the United Nations if voters approve independence. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: The fiscal impact of this measure is dependent on various factors, including a vote by the people on this measure, a subsequent vote on California independence, possible legal challenges, and implementation issues. Assuming that California actually became an independent nation, the state and its local governments would experience major, but unknown, budgetary impacts. This measure also would result in tens of millions of dollars of one-time state and local election costs. (16-0011.)
*Elections Code section 9034 requires that once proponent(s) of a proposed initiative measure have gathered 25% of the number of signatures required (currently 91,740 for an initiative statute and 146,352 for a constitutional amendment) proponent(s) must immediately certify that they have done so under penalty of perjury to the Secretary of State.
Upon receipt of the certification, the Secretary of State must provide copies of the proposed initiative measure and the circulating title and summary to the Senate and the Assembly. Each house is required to assign the proposed initiative measure to its appropriate committees and hold joint public hearings, at least 131 days before the date of the election at which the measure is to be voted on. However, the Legislature cannot amend the proposed initiative measure or prevent it from appearing on the ballot.Initiative and Referendum Qualification Status | California Secretary of StateCirculating Initiatives with 25% of Signatures Reached
Elections Code section 9034 requires that once proponent(s) of a proposed initiative measure have gathered 25% of the number of signatures required (currently 91,740 for an initiative statute and 146,352 for a constitutional amendment) proponent(s) must immediately certify that they have done so under penalty of perjury to the Secretary of State.
Upon receipt of the certification, the Secretary of State must provide copies of the proposed initiative measure and the circulating title and summary to the Senate and the Assembly. Each house is required to assign the proposed initiative measure to its appropriate committees and hold joint public hearings, at least 131 days before the date of the election at which the measure is to be voted on. However, the Legislature cannot amend the proposed initiative measure or prevent it from appearing on the ballot.
None at this time
...because the UK discovered it first - about 400 years ago, and settled it before Argentina even existed, and it was empty... just like Bermuda, Pitcairn, and others... but not like Hawai'i or Western Samoa, and other Pacific islands like the Kiribatian Line Islands, where America has no business being.
...ah yes, European discovery of the Other...a pity India wasn't empty...Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
^
You're channelling Jeff now... I think SeekingAsylum will be sidling up to you for a threesome soon. ...not an image anyone wants.
...that explains the headache...Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
Received this email from YesCalifornia.org for expat Californians who want to put the referendum to secede on the ballot:
William --
Thank you for signing the online version of our #Calexit petition for California independence. However, we need you to download, print, sign, and return a physical copy of our petition form because state law does not consider digital signatures as valid signatures for qualifying a ballot measure in California.
You can find a PDF of our petition on our website at Print Petition - Yes California .
Thank you so much for your support!
Yes California
Yes California Independence Campaign
Neat.Originally Posted by Sumbitch
I just got an email from a Nigerian Prince saying he needed to give me money because he heard great things about me
New Black Mask comic series coming out in May.
What if a fascist, autocratic President took over the United States? And what if that President lost California, the sixth largest economy on Earth, by nearly 2-to-1…a margin of almost 3 1/2 million votes? What if the day after that President took power, the largest mass demonstration in history occurred, and the state with the largest turnout was California. And then, the following week, two of the largest international airports in the world, California’s LAX and SFO, were blockaded by protesters?
What if California refused to be ruled?
CALEXIT | BLACK MASK STUDIOS
...the state should be used to it by now...Originally Posted by misskit
Originally Posted by misskit
Oh man these people really are up their own ass.
"Refused to be ruled"
This is that unconstitutional shit I was talking about Tomcat. Fuckin democratically elected president and you jokers are daydreaming of seceding and revolution because you lost an election.
Naturally, and without any doubt, this would not have even been a thing had HRC won, but no, hissyfit overload now.
Man what a bunch of fuckin weaklings.
...lotta small dicks, too...whaddya say there, Slick?Originally Posted by Slick
Ill take your expert word for it.Originally Posted by tomcat
...so, small dicks and fuckin weaklings...real men buy Ivanka...
Pot calling the kettle black, Texan.Originally Posted by Slick
What about the "state's rights" so loved by your state's Republicans?
Texas Secession Is Not a New Idea
May 14, 2016
As Texas Republicans meet for their state convention this week, one item on the table would invalidate the very name of the meeting itself: after a run of local resolutions supporting the Texas independence, the party will vote on the question of Texas seceding from the Union.
more Texas Secession: State Has a Long History of Trying to Leave | Time.com
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