Thread: Proposal would establish California as separate nation

Originally Posted by Polo

because both want secession... and Quebec is such a wonderful place with such wonderful peopleeeee....

....who club baby seals.

California won't go for that. Nope.

California has a bigger GDP than the UK. It should break away from the dead weight of redneck American Fuckwitzville and join the EU in replacement of the UK which could then substitute itself for the new Trump cocksucker state of Engerlandia. The Engerlanders could be a valuable resource in cleaning sewers, picking fruit and stacking shelves in Walmart.

Har, har.

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Slick

Of course they wouldn't let them secede. You can't just leave when things aren't going your way. This whole 'thing' you posted is absolutely nothing more than a 'feel good campaign' by retards.

Didn't your governor, Rick Perry, suggest Texas secede from the union not long ago?

If California went, Texas would follow.

On second thought, no, not while Trump is President. Texas only wants to break away when a Democrat occupies the White House.

Originally Posted by sabang

Why should California stay with the Union? It only drags it backwards, and plunders it's resources and tax dollars. Are they a registered charity?

Because they do not have the choice to leave.

Originally Posted by Polo

Maybe California and Quebec can form a union

I was going to offer this as an example of the pandora's box that a Calexit would open.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Here's option 1, as described in a statement from Yes California:

These are the only legalities, Harry?

Originally Posted by Sumbitch

Originally Posted by Polo

Maybe California and Quebec can form a union

I was going to offer this as an example of the pandora's box that a Calexit would open.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Here's option 1, as described in a statement from Yes California:

These are the only legalities, Harry?

They could still secede, but they might send the Army in and try and federalise the National Guard.

revised Wall of Trump...

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Maybe Isaan is next?

Isannext*

*TM

They've been attempting to secede from the main since Chulalongkorn's time.
About as much chance as becoming an independent entity as California does.

Originally Posted by SKkin

revised Wall of Trump...

I think California would pay for their bit just to keep the orange-faced wanker out.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

California has a bigger GDP than the UK. It should break away from the dead weight of redneck American Fuckwitzville

Most of California is "redneck" although that term is a bit over-the-top.

The voting power - which we can obviously seen in voting maps is in the LA County and Bay Area.

The Bay area is even stronger.

Outside of these metro areas it's a rural, country feel.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by SKkin

revised Wall of Trump...

I think California would pay for their bit just to keep the orange-faced wanker out.

I know the map is sarcastic

Californians - including Californians of Mexican descent and even those who immigrated in their lifetime are tired of ILLegals and want an end to sanctuary cities.

They would not want to be a part of Mexico for the obvious reason. They would have to pay a lot to the Mexican govt, a govt which is high on the corruption index, has about 47% poverty, a very bad crime problem, and is sadly a narco-state in not only certain areas, but entire states.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

BTW ... I HATED LA ... no offense intended to the TD LA's ...
.

LA was always a bit weird to me.

Hard to explain. And as people say, almost nobody was from there, including me.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I lived and travelled the States for a decent time.

Two places I'd like to live ...

Boulder Colorado

and

San Diego CA

But that was a couple of decades ago and i know that places change.

BTW ... I HATED LA ... no offense intended to the TD LA's ... I just never appreciate your old abode.
.

I always fancied San Diego...

If California secedes, they'd better hope Colorado joins them or they will be really thirsty.

Originally Posted by pickel

If California secedes, they'd better hope Colorado joins them or they will be really thirsty.

Along with NV, AZ and UT...



Colorado River Water: Challenges for California

^ Don't forget NM, they are largely Mexican and old world Castellano.

If Scotland or Northern Ireland wishes to secede from the UK, they can- legally, and peacefully. Via Referendum- several have been held, but failed.

If the Quebecois wish to secede from Canada they can- legally and peacefully, via Refendum. Some have been held, but failed.

The USSR dissolved into several, separate constituent states such as the 'stans, Baltic states, Moldavia & Ukraine- legally, and largely peacefully. Crimea (following the Ukrainian coup) has since held a Referendum and chose to recombine with Russia- peacefully.

Yet, when the largely agricultural, plantation based southern states decided to secede from the mainly industrial northern states of the then USA, there was a massive and bloody civil war- that left the south decimated, and harbours much bitterness and resentment to this day. It is the bloodiest war in your history (apart from maybe the decimation/ genocide of the native Americans). And now some people are saying "there is no way we would let California secede".

So would it be true to say then, in contrast with the United Kingdom, Canada and the EU, that the USA is an involuntary union of States?

What effect does that really have on State rights, and what impetus does it provide for the Federal system to keep States that subsidise other, poorer or less well managed states, happy and content?

Originally Posted by tomcat

how much faith should one put in a Crimean referendum held by the invader to validate its presence

There was no invasion, and the Referendum result validates itself. A total of two people died- one on each side, which is regrettable but hardly bloody. Crimea Voted to secede from the post-coup Ukrainian federation (it had it's own Parliament), but was allowed no vote when it was administratively combined with Ukraine at the stroke of a pen, under the auspices of the Khrushchev era USSR. This after being part of Russia for centuries, with a Russian speaking, ethnically Russian population. So the crushing Referendum result was no surprise, after the democratically elected Ukrainian government was overthrown.

But California does not have the same Right?

So, like China, the USA is an involuntary union of states. Free Tibet (scoff)!!

Originally Posted by sabang

the Referendum result validates itself

Thoroughly propagandised- what a surprise. I'm sure you would prefer the human paradise of eastern Ukraine, to Russia's favored holiday destination.

From wiki:

In Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional, while commenting that revolution or consent of the States could lead to a successful secession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secess..._United_States

Originally Posted by sabang

I'm sure you would prefer the human paradise of eastern Ukraine, to Russia's favored holiday destination

I doubt I'd notice the difference...

Until you have been with both, withhold judgment. In my experience, both are A+++.
The reason is that they demand a demanding man.