Thread: Edward Snowden.

That is a fair question Snubby.

I fail to see why people who have nothing to hide actually worry about this stuff.

The Government know everything already so the innocent person aint gunna get a visit from the CIA.

They are way to busy catching terrorists hopefully.

Originally Posted by Looper

I have not seen the movie yet so this is maybe a premature suggestion but is it not possible that the movie is hyping up the NSA's capabilities a little bit for the sake of a good drama?

Well Loopy, i actually look at it this way.

If we mere plebs know about much of this secret stuff that the Government is doing i would suggest we know fuk all.

It must go way way deeper than we will ever know.

But as long as it used to catch the Bad guys it's all good.

Ya can never trust ya Government though EH.

^^Yep. Can't say I even think about it. Last posted on FB about eight years ago, don't have a camera on my desktop, have a fifteen year old phone which may have a camera - I've never checked. Only public forum I post on is TD.

^

Dunno, maybe you're correct on this one except the X factor part.

It's shit.

Originally Posted by baldrick

and tweery the majority are just like you and in that boat - they are happy to watch the television , absorb the advertisements , discuss dancing with the x factor at work and parrot whatever theme is on their favourite talkback radio it is the people who don't think they way they are told to that have the most cause for worry - even though they may not break the rulses , the fact they are not conforming is an issue

Bingo, bongo nail on the head.

Originally Posted by baldrick

even though they may not break the rulses

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by terry57

only the dodgy fukers sweat it.

Ah the oft used excuse for big brother apologists. Trust me! If your innocent you'll be ok mate.

But it is true though innit.

I don't really get all the drama around government surveillance. The purpose of the activity is to catch terrorists. We pay a small price in our privacy but we get the dividends in security of our public places like city centres and vital infrastructure. Only yesterday a Christmas day multiple target terrorist attack on Melbourne was foiled.

If there was ever any evidence that the government was using the information it gathers for more sinister purposes then THAT would be a movie. But if they are only using it for the purposes advertised then I don't really give a flying dingo's arsehole if some computer program at ASIO or the CIA is scanning my emails for terror buzzwords.

But they are! That's the point. Just two days ago there was an article about the Aus government now trying to use your meta data it collected to catch online pirates.

The excuse for collecting metadata was catching pedos and terrorists..... didnt take them long, huh?

Cranked up the Snowden flic tonight.

Predictable load of Hollywood fluff I thought. Hollywood movies paint everything in black and white. Here we have this sainted and innocent angel motivated by only the highest morals torn to the soul and driven by his conscience to expose the evil intelligence gathering organisation committing the heinous crime of prying into peoples facebooks - gasp - cue comparisons with Nazi Germany and Nuremberg trials in the script (groan).

There is no suggestion of course of any possible baser motive such as retributive employee disgruntlement or shallow desire for notoriety, infamy, fame etc as that is not going to make much of a movie protagonist.

There is no discussion of the impact on security of your fellow citizens of effecting a major betrayal of your national security organisation which immediately curtails their intelligence gathering activity.

These security breaches are going to happen form time to time and the best thing to come out of it is tightening of information handling practices to prevent further breaches. It seems that the fictional Hollywood puff-piece beatification of the likely self-serving tosser who should be strung up is just another small part of the price involved in this process.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

But they are! That's the point. Just two days ago there was an article about the Aus government now trying to use your meta data it collected to catch online pirates. The excuse for collecting metadata was catching pedos and terrorists..... didnt take them long, huh?

What is wrong with using internet traffic monitoring techniques to catch folk up to other non-terrorist related nefarious activities anyway?

If the initial snooping is done by a computer program and human intervention only occurs once an algorithm has established just cause to have a further look then I would not say the average citizen's privacy is impinged upon to any great degree. Of course these things require oversight and privacy is important but so is law and order and national security.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

But they are! That's the point. Just two days ago there was an article about the Aus government now trying to use your meta data it collected to catch online pirates.

The excuse for collecting metadata was catching pedos and terrorists..... didnt take them long, huh?

The other aspect of this massive amount of data collected is the security within which it is held.
When will it get stolen or leaked to multinationals, global conglomerates, their advertising departments and all the rest of that shit.

Originally Posted by Looper

Predictable load of Hollywood fluff I thought.

try citizen four - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenfour

Originally Posted by Looper

has established just cause to have a further look

yes - they have a huge data centre in colorado that keeps a copy of everything they can - especially the encrypted stuff as in the future more poerful computing will be able to brute force it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

so when the religious nutters take power and out law perverted activities such as wearing womens high heels ......

Originally Posted by Looper

Cranked up the Snowden flic tonight.

Predictable load of Hollywood fluff I thought.

It sure rocked a lot of peoples boats though Loopy including Obummas.

Surely the President of the USA would not bother with it if it was Hollywood fluff. ?

I'm gunna have a look at Baldys movie Now and see whats up with that.

Originally Posted by terry57

Now I'm not putting the Septics down but rather applauding their advancement in technology and how they really deal the good shit in when Spying on the perceived enemy.

The Seppos are so advanced they can hack into anyone's Computer and spy on them on their own web Cam.

Now this is fooking brilliant if ya ask me and i do not think they are doing wrong, it's cricket after all.

"Terrific race the Romans"