President Donald Trump

**AntRobertson** · 10-09-2020, 09:40 AM

Oh wait, and Pence is set to appear at fundraiser hosted by QAnon supporters.

Shit just gets more surreal by the day.

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by lom

No it doesn't.
He has been nominated by a right-wing populist nationalist and that is as far as it gets, there's no chance the Nobel Committee will choose him for the price.

You watch him squeal like a stuck pig when he doesn't get it.
Rigged is a word I expect to hear a lot.

**cyrille** · 10-09-2020, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

As far as I know, Israel and the UAE have never actually been at war, so what peace has actually been achieved?

It's been awarded many times to people who cannot be said to have actually 'achieved peace'.

For example, Obama.

Also Arafat, Rabin and Peres.

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

**pickel** · 10-09-2020, 10:53 AM

The Nobel Peace Prize was tarnished when they gave it to Kissinger.

**AntRobertson** · 10-09-2020, 10:59 AM

Didn't realise that but yeah. Obama's wasn't much chop either to be honest.

Funny though how all Trump's fawning sycophants keep neglecting to mention that the guy who nominated him is a far-right, anti-immigrant science denier in their rush to bend the knee.

Basically a Euro-trash Trump-lite.

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Funny though how all Trump's fawning sycophants keep neglecting to mention that the guy who nominated him is a far-right, anti-immigrant science denier
.

So their kind of guy.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-09-2020, 12:37 PM

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 05:41 PM

Trump sure as hell holds a grudge.
Here's an interesting look at his feud with Joe Scarborough.

Seems to be unfinished. Check out the link at the bottom. There's more detail and a link to a podcast.

This is the second part in the Yahoo News “Conspiracyland” podcast series “A Death in Florida.” Read and listen to the first part here.

It was August 2015 — two months into Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency — and the maverick GOP candidate was enjoying some friendly on-air banter with the hosts of one of his favorite cable TV shows.

“You’re saying such nice things this morning that I hate to break it up. I would rather just listen,” Trump told “Morning Joe” co-hosts Joe Scarborough and his then fiancée, Mika Brzezinski.

As odd as it sounds today, the exchange was emblematic of the relatively cozy dealings that Trump once had with the MSNBC hosts. But soon enough the relationship started to cool, before morphing into one of the most acrimonious blood feuds of the Trump presidency —

As the 2016 campaign wore on, Scarborough became increasingly critical of Trump’s proposed Muslim ban and other issues, even mocking him in a rock song he recorded and posted on Facebook titled “Amnesty Don.”

When Trump had the couple to lunch during his first week in the White House, also inviting his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the president — bristling over how the media was calling him out for his false boasts about having had the largest inauguration crowd in history — got into a bitter argument with Scarborough over whether his first week in office had gone well.

It was all downhill from there.

“I think he’s such a narcissist. It is possible that he’s mentally ill in a way,” Brzezinski commented on “Morning Joe” in June 2017.

“He lies every day. A lot of times he lies every minute,” Scarborough added, which prompted Trump to fire back on Twitter.

“Psycho Joe,” the president called Scarborough in a Twitter thread that also claimed that when the couple came to see him at Mar-a-Lago over New Year’s Eve that year, Brzezinski was “bleeding badly from a face-lift.” (Brzezinski later called this a “lie,” saying she’d never had a face-lift.)

On one level, the clash between Trump and Scarborough is not unlike those the president has had with others in the media with whom he was once close. As an NBC executive in 2004, Jeff Zucker turned Trump into a TV star, placing his reality show “The Apprentice” on the network’s primetime lineup — only to be vilified by the president years later after Zucker had become the head of “fake news” CNN. The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman landed multiple exclusive interviews with Trump throughout the 2016 campaign and into his presidency, and was even photographed at one point with the president’s arm around her in the White House; Trump later denounced her as a “third rate reporter” who, he claimed, he didn’t “speak to and have nothing to do with.”

But the grudge match with Scarborough stands out. It prompted Trump to unleash one of his most extraordinary tweetstorms: a blistering series of tirades suggesting that Scarborough, then a congressman from Florida, had had an illicit affair with a staffer, Lori Klausutis, and then had her murdered. Those claims, put forth by the highest officeholder in the country, contain not a shred of evidence to back them up.

How strange is it to have a president appear to retaliate for negative press coverage by accusing a television host of murder? And how should the news media respond when this happens? Suddenly those questions could not be avoided.

“I mean, this is like Alex Jones territory,” said Jonathan Karl, ABC News’ chief White House correspondent, referring to the disgraced Austin, Texas-based conspiracy peddler, in an interview with “Conspiracyland.” “The way I looked at it, the president of the United States is outright accusing another person of murder! I mean, I was truly, truly blown away by the idea that he was doing this.”

Karl is one of a handful of reporters who pressed the White House to explain the president’s conspiratorial claims about Scarborough, but the genesis of that theory was sparked by Democratic activists and liberal bloggers who demanded that the media and authorities give the Republican Scarborough the same level of scrutiny over the death of Klausutis that Democratic Rep. Gary Condit was receiving for the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy the same year. (Although Condit had been having an affair with Levy, there was never any evidence he had anything to do with her disappearance. Her body was later found in Washington, D.C.’s Rock Creek Park, and another suspect was eventually charged with her murder.)

Among those on the left who raised the issue over the years, starting in 2005 and again in 2010, was Markos Moulitsas, a progressive activist and founder of the popular Daily Kos blog, who argued that the media was giving Scarborough a pass over the death of Klausutis because it was biased in favor of Republicans. In an interview with “Conspiracyland,” Moulitsas stood by everything he had written and said about the case over the years, insisting that “the facts were fairly similar” to those in the Condit-Levy story. “You had a campaign or staff employee die under mysterious conditions,” he said.

When it was pointed out that the facts were not, in fact, that similar — Klausutis was not an intern, wasn’t having an affair with Scarborough (who barely knew her) and died from an undiagnosed medical condition with no evidence of foul play — Moulitsas grew testy. He insisted his only point was to call attention to what he perceived to be pro-Republican bias by the media. “Oh, my f***ing God, are you serious?” he said. “My point, which I’ve made several times ... was that Joe Scarborough, had he been a Democrat, that would have been a story. I’m not saying it should have been a story.”

While the conspiracy theories about Klausutis had circulated at a low level on social media over the years, it was Trump — seeking revenge against Scarborough — who turned them into a media firestorm. After his feud with the TV anchor started, the president at first referred to the matter in a tweet on Nov. 29, 2017: “Will they terminate low ratings Joe Scarborough based on the ‘unsolved mystery’ that took place in Florida years ago? Investigate!”

The Daily Beast has since reported that Trump went even further behind the scenes, fuming about Scarborough and directing his son-in-law Kushner to reach out to David Pecker, who until recently was the publisher of the National Enquirer, to pressure him to drum up a story on Klausutis’s death. The White House denied that report. But Scarborough, who declined to be interviewed for “Conspiracyland,” and Brzezinski have written that they were warned by White House officials in 2017 that the National Enquirer was planning to publish an unflattering story unless they “begged” the president to have it spiked.

Forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht told “Conspiracyland” that he was indeed contacted by the Enquirer that year asking him if he found anything suspicious about the Klausutis case and the official finding from a 2001 autopsy report that her death resulted from an undiagnosed heart condition.

“I recall receiving an email, or a phone call, asking me if I would be willing to review an autopsy report and express my opinion,” Wecht said. “The contact was from the National Enquirer. Then they sent me the autopsy report on a young woman, which I reviewed. I then called them back and gave them my opinion. I told them that I had no basis or reason following my review of the report to express a different opinion. I thought the autopsy was complete. The discussion was thorough and extensive, and I felt that the findings were correct.”

The National Enquirer, which did not respond to requests for comment, never published a story on Klausutis, apparently concluding that the conspiracy theory being pushed by the president didn’t meet its standards. But unbowed, Trump would return to the issue once again, two and a half years later, just as “Morning Joe” was about to score a journalistic coup.

In late April 2020, the presidential campaign of Joe Biden was feeling some heat. A former aide, Tara Reade, had gone public with claims that she had been sexually assaulted by Biden when she worked for him on his Senate staff in the 1990s. With pressure mounting for the former vice president to respond publicly, the campaign made a strategic decision: Biden would grant an exclusive interview to “Morning Joe” on May 1 to address the charges.

By most accounts, Biden’s forceful denial of the charges on the MSNBC show — combined with new questions about Reade’s narrative — essentially squelched what had looked briefly like a potential threat to his candidacy. But the campaign’s decision to have Biden address the issue on “Morning Joe” appeared to have further enraged Trump. Even before the interview took place, Trump revived his interest in Klausutis’s death, tweeting early on the morning of April 30 about “Psycho Joe ‘What Ever Happened To Your Girlfriend?’ Scarborough.” The president’s son Donald Jr. also weighed in that evening. “What show is Joe going to go on to discuss Lori Klausutis?” he tweeted.

If Biden’s appearance on “Morning Joe” wasn’t enough to upset the president, within a few days there were reports that the show’s ratings — a marker Trump follows closely — soared to the point that they were nearly equal those of “Fox & Friends,” his preferred morning talk show. Whatever the trigger, Trump was just getting started.

“‘Concast,’” Trump tweeted on May 4 in reference to Comcast, the media giant that owns NBC and MSNBC, “should open up a long overdue Florida Cold Case against Psycho Joe Scarborough. I know him and Crazy Mika well, used them beautifully in the last Election, dumped them nicely, and will state on the record that he is ‘nuts’. Besides, bad ratings! #OPENJOECOLDCASE”

A week later, Trump was still simmering. “When will they open a Cold Case on the Psycho Joe Scarborough matter in Florida,” he tweeted on May 12. “Did he get away with murder? Some people think so. Why did he leave Congress so quietly and quickly? Isn’t it obvious? What’s happening now? A total nut job!”

On May 20, Trump complained that his longtime political adviser Roger Stone — convicted of lying to Congress and witness intimidation — had been treated unfairly, while “guys like Low Ratings Psycho Joe Scarborough are allowed to walk the streets? Open Cold Case!”

And on May 23 he kept at it, tweeting, “A blow to her head? Body found under his desk? Left Congress suddenly? Big topic of discussion in Florida...and, he’s a Nut Job (with bad ratings). Keep digging, use forensic geniuses!”

As the coronavirus pandemic worsened in April and May and a crippling economic recession took hold, the president of the United States found time to fire off 10 tweets about the supposed murder of a young woman 19 years ago despite the fact that no evidence has been put forth to show that the crime actually took place.

Reading the president’s words and obsessing over them down in Florida was T.J. Klausutis, an Air Force engineer and Lori Klausutis’s widower. He had been anguished about the conspiracy theories over his wife’s death for years and tried his best to put a stop to them, flagging outrageously false tweets to Twitter and trying to get them taken down. But the president’s sudden promotion of the conspiracy theories sent him over the edge.

“It got to the point that I literally could not stomach this,” he said in an exclusive interview with “Conspiracyland.” “When Lori and I got married, we agreed for a lifelong partnership. And that we were going to care and were going to protect each other. And honestly, I just wanted one victory and just say, ‘Look, this has to stop.’”

So Klausutis did something he had been thinking about for years: He reached out to Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, writing a poignant plea from the heart to remove the president’s hurtful and false words from the company’s global platform. It was a letter that would resonate far more than he ever imagined.

How Trump'''s feud with Scarborough led the president to push unfounded claims of murder

**harrybarracuda** · 10-09-2020, 07:33 PM

The National Enquirer, which did not respond to requests for comment, never published a story on Klausutis, apparently concluding that the conspiracy theory being pushed by the president didn’t meet its standards.

Christ, it really must have been shit.

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 10-09-2020, 08:28 PM

I hope trump supporters do not get to upset when he does not win the Nobel price,
the Nobel panel is very unfair.
When I nominated my daughter for having gone potty all by herself , a nomination that I might add was supported with photographic evidence of the actual poop. I was very surprised and disappointed that she did not win.Since then I have lost faith in the one august body and I am convinced it is now part of the deep state.

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 08:37 PM

Be interesting to see how he reacts to the tape of him acknowledging he knew how bad the virus was back when. Seems no one's buying the whole "didn't want to create a panic" shit. That's like the captain of an irretrievably sinking ship not to worry, the hole is being fixed and the pumps are working, no need for panic. No need to go for the life jackets and lifeboats.

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 10-09-2020, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Be interesting to see how he reacts to the tape of him acknowledging he knew how bad the virus was back when. Seems no one's buying the whole "didn't want to create a panic" shit. That's like the captain of an irretrievably sinking ship not to worry, the hole is being fixed and the pumps are working, no need for panic. No need to go for the life jackets and lifeboats.

There was a press conference afterwards for , wink wink , his accomplishments in appointing conservative judges (another campaign event paid by the tax payers) and when asked about the report he had the above response, then another reporter asked him, "then why should we believe you now" he did not have an answer and gave one of his rumbling trump replies that only makes sense to trumpazees.

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 08:47 PM

Also, it really is one thing after the next. No one's talking about him dissing the troops anymore.
Thing is, every new thing eclipsing the last needs to be bigger to blot out the previous thing, Eventually it's going to blow up.
He tried the DOJ defending him against rape charges but that wasn't big enough. This one isn't of his making and I can't imagine what he's going to come up with in the next couple of days to try and smokescreen this.

**docmartin** · 10-09-2020, 08:51 PM

He doesn’t have to come up with anything.
The imbeciles will love him regardless.
He’s a perfect match for the trailer trash - even if their trailer is a Winnebago

**helge** · 10-09-2020, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by docmartin

The imbeciles will love him regardless.

He is comedy gold

**Cujo** · 10-09-2020, 09:12 PM

More

**Chico** · 11-09-2020, 03:58 AM

Donald is certainly going to go down in history, as the most hated president that gets re-elected.

what wonderful exciting country America is............

**Cujo** · 11-09-2020, 11:16 AM

Trump is a particularly stupid man who thinks he is very smart. Perhaps this lies at the root of his monumentally dumb decision to grant Bob Woodward 18 interviews

The Inuit are supposed to have dozens of words to describe snow. The Brits have endless ways to talk about rain. Now it’s time for Americans to delineate all the many ways that Donald Trump is dumb.

If Bob Woodward’s new blockbuster teaches us anything new about the character of the 45th president, it’s that we don’t yet have the words to describe the multiple variants of the vacuum inside his head.

There’s the stupidity of arrogance, the stupidity of ignorance and his old friend: the stupidity of blatant duplicity. There’s his homicidal stupidity, his traitorous stupidity, his criminally corrupt stupidity and his plain old infantile stupidity.

Let’s start with the top of this taxonomy: the domain of Donald’s dumbness. At his core, the former reality TV star is a particularly stupid man who thinks he is very smart. Or as he prefers to call his own character, “a very stable genius”.

Perhaps, just maybe, this lies at the root of his monumentally dumb decision to grant Woodward 18 interviews, on the record and on tape.

Maintaining a modicum of self-restraint would be an overwhelming challenge for this president for the duration of just one response to one question. Over the course of many hours of conversation, after business hours in the executive mansion, even the ultra-disciplined Barack Obama would struggle to keep his guard up.

Instead, our very stupid genius vomited up all manner of secrets that collectively prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he represents the greatest single danger to the fate of both the American people and to himself.

How do we classify the stupidity of blabbing the greatest secret of them all: that he knew all along how Covid-19 was deadly and easily transmissible? We now know that in late January, his national security adviser told him the coronavirus was the “biggest national security threat” of his presidency. A week later, he told Woodward that the disease was “more deadly even than your strenuous flus”.

Did he bother to share this with the American people so they could protect their own lives? Not quite. For the rest of February and March, he told the world it would disappear like a miracle, that it was no worse than the flu. “I wanted to always play it down,” he told Woodward. “I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.”

This from a president whose entire re-election campaign rests on injecting panic in white voters like bleach.

For some time we have misclassified Trump’s botched pandemic response as the stupidity of ignorance. But it turns out to be a hybrid specimen of the stupidities of arrogance and duplicity. Certainly within the homicidal genus. The scientific world should take note.

Our proof was on display on Wednesday as it emerged from – where else? – the blabbing hole of the presidential mouth at his own press conference. “So the fact is, I’m a cheerleader for this country. I love our country. And I don’t want people to be frightened,” he told reporters. “We want to show confidence. We want to show strength.”

Nothing blows up your pushback against Woodward ('another political hit job') like admitting to your arrogance and duplicity at a press conference
Nothing says confidence or strength quite like 190,000 dead citizens. And nothing blows up your pushback against Woodward (“another political hit job”) like admitting to your arrogance and duplicity at a press conference.

Sometimes there are actual reasons for people to be frightened. Sometimes your citizens need to take appropriate measures to protect themselves and their country. One of those times is when they have a colossally cretinous commander-in-chief.

The stupidity of arrogance is the only way to classify Trump’s blithe declassification of the existence of a secret nuclear program, in one of his many happy-go-lucky chit-chats with the man who destroyed the Nixon presidency.

“I have built a nuclear – a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before,” said the leader of the free world, making sure that the Russian and Chinese leaders have now heard about his super-duper-secret new weapons system. Woodward reports that his sources were surprised that Trump had revealed its existence.

It’s hard to be in stealth mode when your leader’s loose lips are busy sinking ships.

This possibly sits within the traitorous genus of stupidity, although there are multiple specimens of this. So many, in fact, that the wise old men who sullied their reputations by serving him decided that Something Must Be Done.

Woodward recounts that Jim Mattis, Trump’s defense secretary, went to the national cathedral to pray for the nation, and emerged to tell Dan Coats, Trump’s intelligence chief, that “there may come a time when we have to take collective action”. This appears to be a reference to the cabinet invoking the 25th amendment to remove an incapacitated president from office.

In reality, despite all that praying, it was Mattis and Coats who were incapacitated: they knew Trump was a danger to the republic but couldn’t bring themselves to say such things to the world in real time. Coats himself came to believe that “Putin had something on Trump” but couldn’t figure out what it was. What’s the point of being smart if you’re constantly outplayed by someone so stupid?

Because of their failures to act, we now have an intelligence community that suppresses warnings about Russian election interference and white supremacist terrorists, while hyping conspiracies about antifa. You could say this was an impeachable state of affairs, but Republican senators have developed a new stupidity of cowardice.

Like all truly stupid people, Trump thinks he’s rather brilliant at identifying the intelligence of those around him. He thinks that George W Bush is “a stupid moron” and that Barack Obama isn’t smart but instead “highly overrated” – and a poor speaker to boot. A broken clock may be right twice a day, but it still can’t tell the time.

Of course it takes a village of idiots to create this Olympic-sized village idiot. So it is comforting to learn that Jared Kushner has identified the problem in this White House. The president’s son-in-law likes to think of himself as the best and brightest of Trump’s bozos, but we can all see him as a classic cross-breed of corrupt and infantile stupidity.

“The most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots,” Kushner told Woodward, apparently referring to people like Mattis.

The irony gods have truly bequeathed us a feast of overconfident idiots. We shall celebrate it each year in November, once we think of the right word to define their dangerous mix of overconfidence and idiocy. Because snowflake seems such an innocent way to describe such stupid men.

Trump told a reporter his biggest secret: that he is a danger to the American people | Richard Wolffe | Opinion | The Guardian

**nidhogg** · 11-09-2020, 02:35 PM

This sums up Trump:

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**Klondyke** · 11-09-2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

This sums up Trump:

Not only... Quite a lot we read from them daily here (please no names here...)

**Cujo** · 11-09-2020, 07:29 PM

Should this be n Deeks thread because it's stuff he and his ilk should be aware of but I don't think he looks at any of the stuff posted there. In fact I just spam it so his shit gets lost in the crowd.
So...

**bsnub** · 11-09-2020, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by docmartin

The imbeciles will love him regardless.

Fact indeed.

**RPETER65** · 11-09-2020, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Also, it really is one thing after the next. No one's talking about him dissing the troops anymore.
Thing is, every new thing eclipsing the last needs to be bigger to blot out the previous thing, Eventually it's going to blow up.
He tried the DOJ defending him against rape charges but that wasn't big enough. This one isn't of his making and I can't imagine what he's going to come up with in the next couple of days to try and smokescreen this.

Maybe because more than 20 people,in the know, have claimed fake news.

**AntRobertson** · 11-09-2020, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Maybe because more than 20 people,in the know, have claimed fake news.

No that's just the catch-all for people with no morals or values who repeat his lies and / or denials.

Aye, Repeater.

**Cujo** · 11-09-2020, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Maybe because more than 20 people,in the know, have claimed fake news.

What do they/you think is fake news?

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