Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Just because you have a clearance, doesn't mean you'll automatically be given anything TS that you want to look at, you gotta have a reason.

Indeed. Aka a need to know. However, the clearence Trump wants for his family is one which would allow his family to sit in on Presidential security briefings. Way out of line.

Originally Posted by Norton

However, the clearence Trump wants for his family is one which would allow his family to sit in on Presidential security briefings. Way out of line.

No, it wouldn't. They'd need a reason to sit in on them. However, I hope they get their clearances and do sit on his briefings as it seems they're the brains behind the mouth. Also, can you imagine America's reaction?

I'm guessing the only people that receive the briefing is the president and his CoS. The VP is briefed separately.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The reason to be skeptical and alarmed is that they are the ones officially running his companies. They should be kept as far as possible away from the operations of government to avoid the optics and the possiblility of conflicts of interest. They could easily come by information that could affect their business decision making and that could be illegal.

Which is exactly what I'll expect to happen. That Congress decides the Office of the President shouldn't be a means for a business to increase its profits and impeaches Trump due to obvious conflicts of interest.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by Humbert

The reason to be skeptical and alarmed is that they are the ones officially running his companies. They should be kept as far as possible away from the operations of government to avoid the optics and the possiblility of conflicts of interest. They could easily come by information that could affect their business decision making and that could be illegal.

Which is exactly what I'll expect to happen. That Congress decides the Office of the President shouldn't be a means for a business to increase its profits and impeaches Trump due to obvious conflicts of interest.

Don't hold your breath.

Recently retired Marine Corps General James “Mad Dog” Mattis is the front-runner to be Secretary of Defense. General David Petraeus is also on the short-list...

Trump continuing to add to his hard line cabinet up?

General Who Thinks ?It?s Fun to Shoot Some People? Is Front-Runner for Trump?s Pentagon - The Daily Beast

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Don't hold your breath.

I don't need to...already people are questioning this very thing...

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Humbert

heal the wounds and divisions created by Trump's campaign rhetoric.

Trump has no intention of healing division. No surprise his cabinet choices. They are exactly the people to implement his campaign rhetoric. Divisive and controversial.

Trump is a brand not a great deal maker or leader as he claims. Using his name he hires folks to run his businesses and make deals in his name. He has ceded his responsibily to Pence. Trump thinks he can sit up in his tower on weekends as President and let his staff run the show. Ridiculous to even mention it and indicates he hasn't a clue. There are reasons Presidents live in the White House full time. Security and immediate availabilty in a crisis. It has a perimiter of air defense systems, all manner of security systems, an underground command center, secure meeting rooms, facilities for high level diplomatic receptions meetings and a tunnel system if evacuation is needed. No Donald you will not be staying in your penthouse in your tower. If you are uncomfortable sleeping in a strange bed, move your bed and blankey to the White House.

Top secret clearences for the family another idiotic request by the way.

Idiot!

I cannot find anything saying Trump will not live in the White House,maybe you can help me out,

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I cannot find anything saying Trump will not live in the White House,maybe you can help me out,
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It was a CNN article I believe that showed the efforts trump made to get home to his own bed every evening that inferred he might not be a full time resident of the White House.

Originally Posted by Norton

Trump is a brand not a great deal maker or leader as he claims. Using his name he hires folks to run his businesses and make deals in his name. He has ceded his responsibily to Pence. Trump thinks he can sit up in his tower on weekends as President and let his staff run the show. Ridiculous to even mention it and indicates he hasn't a clue. There are reasons Presidents live in the White House full time. Security and immediate availabilty in a crisis. It has a perimiter of air defense systems, all manner of security systems, an underground command center, secure meeting rooms, facilities for high level diplomatic receptions meetings and a tunnel system if evacuation is needed. No Donald you will not be staying in your penthouse in your tower. If you are uncomfortable sleeping in a strange bed, move your bed and blankey to the White House.

you are saying this like it was a bad thing,

he wants to run the WH like a CEO, he will eventually have to face his shareholders in a board meeting, and it won't be pretty

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Just because you have a clearance, doesn't mean you'll automatically be given anything TS that you want to look at, you gotta have a reason.

Indeed. Aka a need to know. However, the clearence Trump wants for his family is one which would allow his family to sit in on Presidential security briefings. Way out of line.

Do you have a link showing paper work being submitted requesting top secret clearances for three of his children?

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I cannot find anything saying Trump will not live in the White House,maybe you can help me out,
[at] [at]

It was a CNN article I believe that showed the efforts trump made to get home to his own bed every evening that inferred he might not be a full time resident of the White House.

Inferred is the key word, I read his plans are to reside at the White House.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Inferred is the key word,

Which is why I used it....I doubt he even knows what he's going to do.

His son-in-law and Pence are apparently calling the shots now. You know, the billionaire son-in-law, Kushner?

WASHINGTON — Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald J. Trump, has spoken to a lawyer about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could violate federal anti-nepotism law and risk legal challenges and political backlash.

Mr. Kushner, 35, the husband of Mr. Trump’s eldest daughter, Ivanka, and an influential adviser to his father-in-law during the presidential campaign, had been planning to return to his private businesses after Election Day. But on the morning after Mr. Trump won, Mr. Kushner began discussing taking a role in the White House, according to two people briefed on the conversations who requested anonymity to describe Mr. Kushner’s thinking.

Mr. Trump is urging his son-in-law to join him in the White House, according to one of the people briefed. The president-elect’s sentiment is shared by Stephen K. Bannon, the chief strategist for the White House, and Reince Priebus, who was named chief of staff. Mr. Kushner accompanied Mr. Trump to the White House on Thursday, when the president-elect held his first in-person meeting with President Obama.

Mr. Kushner may be as influential, if not as well known, in Manhattan as his father-in-law. Mr. Kushner is a real estate mogul in his own right who, like Mr. Trump, runs a company founded by his father. His influence extends to the news media: He owns The New York Observer. And his family’s wealth rivals that of the Trump clan, which he joined in 2009 when he married Ivanka.

Firings and Discord Put Trump Transition Team in a State of Disarray NOV. 15, 2016
Mr. Kushner has already figured prominently in the tumultuous start to the transition. He was involved in the effort to oust Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who as a federal prosecutor jailed Mr. Kushner’s father, Charles B. Kushner, more than a decade ago. Trump officials have systematically fired those Mr. Christie had selected for the effort. Transition officials have rejected claims that Mr. Kushner was involved in a payback effort and pointed to Mr. Christie’s troubles after two aides were convicted in the George Washington Bridge traffic scandal in New Jersey. They also suggested that the preliminary transition work had been subpar.

Mr. Trump’s desire to add Mr. Kushner to his administration gives weight to speculation that he intends to run the White House the way he runs his businesses, relying heavily on his children and delegating essential duties to them.

And it adds another element of unpredictability to an unconventional handover of power, although there were signs on Thursday that Mr. Trump’s transition operation was edging toward normalcy after its chaotic first week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us...tion.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I hope the DIA finds a secret "photo shoot" of Ivanka

yes, let's hope it's released soon

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Inferred is the key word, I read his plans are to reside at the White House.

Yes inferred by NY Times.

They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12...president.html

Originally Posted by RPETER65

his plans are to reside at the White House

No doubt.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Inferred is the key word, I read his plans are to reside at the White House.

Yes inferred by NY Times.

They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12...president.html

Originally Posted by RPETER65

his plans are to reside at the White House

No doubt.

You actually read that liberal rag.

It's an SF-86 form. Can be done on line. You will have to google SF-86 if you want to see it. It's pdf.

Then investigation starts followed by interview.

Trump has not filled SF-86 for anyone yet. Only asked about getting clearences for family members.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You actually read that liberal rag.

Read all kinds of stuff. Even Fox news.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

you are saying this like it was a bad thing

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

he wants to run the WH like a CEO

Not a bad thing for a CEO but the Pres is not a CEO position by any means. Welcome to the world of politics Mr. Trump.

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

..yeah about that "authoritarianism":

You are missing the meaning of the word in this context.

If you have a bit of free time have a read through this e-book and you'll see what I was getting at:

The Authoritarians

Don't try to redefine for me the word to suit your argument... we know what the word means, and your assertion that is the sole possession of the left to use as a term of abuse of the right is big lie politics.

The cause you argue for is an authoritarian cause, one that is intolerant, abusive, seeks to shut debate down, control language, deploy sinister concepts such as "reducation", seeks to control the public discourse, and behaves like a cult.
The numbers in your election speak for themselves, they need little interpretation, the people didn't particularly vote for Trump, they rejected the Democrats (those Obama votes drained away), because for them, the Democrats represent unaccountable authoritarianism, as much as the traditional Republicans ever did.
This was not about a propaganda war or any such toss you might hear from conspiracy theorists online, the Republican vote didn't change that much, but the Democrat vote collapsed in key areas. This was partly due to lack of delivery on the expectations of Obamaphiles - who were by nature radicals - and partly due to a general rejection of the establishment status quo.
I think we all know this, that across the world there is a general "fuck you" vote against paternalistic establishment structures and the various so-called demagogues are not taken seriously by those who vote for them, but taken seriously as being the opposite of what the establishment wants them to vote for.
As the video points out... this is about the left failing to listen, because it has become authoritarian in its pronouncements about who can say what, where, when, and how; and all the subtly abusive labels it applies to things people say in an attempt to corral and herd the public into a particular mindset, where feelings and offence override thoughts and actions.

The sort of people who come on this forum and - without a moment of self-awareness - abuse and decry those they disagree with and call them every name under the sun, and try to depict them as wrong - only because they are stupid and evil, are the ones missing (or failing to understand) the point.

If you think you are cleverer than the rest - phucking prove it, by making a cogent argument, and making some effort to understand what's wrong with the way you think, as well as what leads those you regard as intellectual untermensch to think the way they think...

In other words...


...because at the moment, the only bigots around, are you people.
You want to read about what bigotry means:
What the Word ?Bigot? Actually Means (and Why it is Important) | The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast | A Philosophy Podcast and Blog

^A pile of post truth doo doo.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald J. Trump, has spoken to a lawyer about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could violate federal anti-nepotism law and risk legal challenges and political backlash.

Certain 'chosen ones' think they are above laws, anti-nepotism or otherwise. Laws are for the little people.

Donald Trump's Jewish inner circle | The Jewish Standard

Jared Kushner

Kushner — the 35-year-old scion of one of New York’s most prominent real estate families and, since 2009, the husband of Trump’s daughter Ivanka — played a crucial role in the president-elect’s campaign, especially with regards to Israel. He worked on Trump’s speech to the AIPAC annual policy conference that earned Trump a standing ovation, and helped plan a trip to Israel for his father-in-law last year. (Trump canceled the trip after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed his call to ban Muslim immigration to the United States.)
Trump appears to be smitten with Kushner, often referring to his “fantastic” son-in-law when boasting of his pro-Israel credentials. Kushner, an Orthodox Jew who lives with his wife and their three children on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, may have become a household name during the campaign, but he’s no stranger to the limelight. In 2006, at 25, he bought the Observer newspaper. Two years later he became CEO of his father’s company, Kushner Properties, four years after his father was sent to jail for tax evasion, illegal campaign donations and witness tampering. In 2015, Fortune named Kushner to its 40 Under 40 list, its “annual ranking of the most influential young people in business.”

Originally Posted by Norton

Then investigation starts followed by interview.

LOL, I bet the interview takes days....

^^ Trump many never even get to inauguration day at this point.

Originally Posted by SKkin

four years after his father was sent to jail for tax evasion, illegal campaign donations and witness tampering.

Incidentally, guess who prosecuted his father...from 2005:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/14/ny...orse.html?_r=0

NEWARK, Jan. 13 - Charles Kushner, the real estate executive, philanthropist and political donor who pleaded guilty to "crimes of greed, power, and excess" last August, failed to show any remorse or humility, prosecutors said in a pre-sentencing report released on Wednesday.
"What is truly extraordinary is that Charles Kushner has failed to accept full responsibility for his outrageous criminal conduct," said Christopher J. Christie, the United States attorney for New Jersey, in the memo to Judge Jose L. Linares of Federal District Court.

Still wondering why Chris Christie is gone?