Thread: President Donald Trump

For some reason I cannot quite recall, I have been looking at some of Obama speeches on youtube. Sophisticated, well spoken, humerous, self-depreciating and genuinely concerned for others. The contrast with the current incumbent of the White house is staggering.

A couple that stood out were his final address at his last White house correspondents dinner, and his eulogy at John McCains funeral.

Someone did a cut of side-by-side Obama and Trump comments on the same things.

As you say the contrast couldn't be any more stark.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

For some reason I cannot quite recall, I have been looking at some of Obama speeches on youtube. Sophisticated, well spoken, humerous, self-depreciating and genuinely concerned for others. The contrast with the current incumbent of the White house is staggering.

A couple that stood out were his final address at his last White house correspondents dinner, and his eulogy at John McCains funeral.

Likewise for some reason. Comes across as intelligent and elloquent in stark contrast to the shitgibbon.

And me too - almost in mourning for what we have lost. I would imagine that in the future Democrats will venerate Obama just as the Republicans did for Reagan before Trump. Not at all sure what future Republicans will do with the massive hangover from all that losing that Trump has brought to the party.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

For some reason I cannot quite recall, I have been looking at some of Obama speeches on youtube. Sophisticated, well spoken, humerous, self-depreciating and genuinely concerned for others.

Something like this is called: "preaching water, but drinking wine..."

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Something like this is called: "preaching water, but drinking wine..."

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Something like this is called: "preaching water, but drinking wine..."

You know what, i was not familiar with this phrase, so i went and looked it up. Basically it means someone who says something, but does the opposite.

So, wankstain, i have no real idea who you are, as you are just one of the board static, but you either justify that comment or i am going to be on you like a fly on shit. And trust me, you do not want that.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

You know what, i was not familiar with this phrase, so i went and looked it up. Basically it means someone who says something, but does the opposite.

So, wankstain, i have no real idea who you are, as you are just one of the board static, but you either justify that comment or i am going to be on you like a fly on shit. And trust me, you do not want that.

Wankstain will do.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Trump suggests Lincoln’s legacy is ‘questionable,’ brags about his own work for Black Americans

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.
Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.
I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.
As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.
Yours,
A. Lincoln.

Farcebook:

Facebook account that copies Trump's posts word-for-word gets flagged for inciting violence / Boing Boing

“The ramp that I descended after my West Point commencement speech was very long and steep,” the president wrote, “had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is ‘fall’ for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!” - Donald Trump 16 June 2020.



“The way President Obama runs down the stairs of Air Force 1, hopping & bobbing all the way, is so inelegant and unpresidential. Do not fall!" - Donald Trump 22 April 2014.

was very slippery

Must've been from all that rain on the day... Oh wait what there was none? No of course there wasn't.

Fucker can't even lie straight in bed much less walk down a ramp.

It's not exactly steep either. He expects people to believe him over their own eyes.

The gap between Trump's world and reality is widening. It's disturbing to watch

Given how busy most Americans are these days – home-schooling their kids, dealing with unemployment, waiting on line at food banks, protesting systemic racism, worrying about our economy and our educational system – few of us have the time, the energy or inclination to wonder what it’s like to be Donald Trump, to imagine how his mind works, what he really thinks and believes. But over the past few weeks, the increasingly strange, intentionally provocative, inappropriate and frankly delusional tweets and pronouncements issuing from the Oval Office have once again caused us to reflect on the president’s inner life. We’ve grown accustomed to his shortcomings, the regular failures of decency, common sense, and good taste. Yet the gap between what the president is saying – and the reality we observe around us – appears to be widening.


Does Trump truly believe that Martin Gugino, the 75-year-old protester shoved to the ground by Buffalo police officers, was an Antifa insurrectionist plotting to block the communications equipment of the officers who shoved him and left him bleeding from the ear? Does the courtly, somewhat hesitant Gugino really look to anyone like a dangerous thug? How could someone have watched that video and floated the idea that the attack on Gugino, still hospitalized with a brain injury, “could be a set-up?”


Is it possible that a president who has spent four years lying to the American people now assumes that everyone is lying? Or can he simply no longer distinguish between fact and fiction, between conspiracy theories spread by fringe “news” outlets such as the One America News Network and observable reality? What sane human being could imagine that America wanted to hear that George Floyd was smiling down from heaven at the day’s modestly improved job reports?


Lately, I’ve been thinking of the 8,000 word “long telegram” that George Kennan, then the American chargé d’affaires in Moscow and later an architect of the Cold War, sent to the State Department in 1946 – a document in which Kennan described the methods of an authoritarian dictatorship, “so strange to our form of thought”. Under Stalin, wrote Kennan, “The very disrespect of Russians for objective truth – indeed, their disbelief in its existence – leads them to view all stated facts as instruments for furtherance of one ulterior purpose or another.”


It’s remarkable, how much one can get used to, with a president who has made over 18,000 false or misleading claims since taking office. But all that seems more disturbing now, not only because the tweets and speculations have gotten more aggressive and outlandish, but because the upheavals in our country, the crises we face – the continuing Covid-19 pandemic, the tanking economy, the unrest inspired by the early stages of a necessary reckoning with racism – have made us wish, more than ever, for a leader who shows some honesty, common sense, or who just (we’re setting the bar quite low here) behaves like a responsible adult.


Now, when we most need stability, when we have never felt more uncertain about the future – will school reopen in the fall? Will we get our jobs back? What will life look like after the pandemic? – we have a president who seems to enjoy destabilizing us further. How could anyone think that what we need now is more chaos, disorder and ill will, filtering down from the top?


These days, when I think of Trump, I only rarely picture a guy with an orange face, weird hair and an absurdly long tie. I’ve instead begun to imagine Cerberus, the many-headed dog-monster from Greek mythology.


One of this creature’s heads is obviously Donald Trump’s, but there are others, snarling and yapping and bickering, all offering wrong opinions and bad advice as they try to keep Trump in line and do damage control when he strikes out on his own. Trump’s head may be the monster’s public face, but there are also the heads of Ivanka and Jared; of Attorney General William Barr subverting the rule of law and orchestrating the vile photo op in front of St John’s church; of Mitch McConnell; and of Senior Adviser Stephen Miller, fanning Trump’s racism and implementing his inhuman anti-immigration policies.


I’ve heard it said that the decision to stage a Republican campaign rally on 19 June (Juneteenth, the date when the last of the Confederate slaves were freed) in Tulsa, Oklahoma (where more than 300 Black people were killed by white mob in 1921) “has Stephen Miller written all over it”. That supposition seems likely, given Trump’s notoriously weak grasp of American history in general and African American history in particular; recall when, in 2017, he spoke as if abolitionist Frederick Douglass, who died in 1895, were still alive “and is being recognized more and more”. (On Saturday Trump agreed to change the date of the campaign rally in Tulsa.)

The gap between Trump's world and reality is widening. It's disturbing to watch | US politics | The Guardian

It's not exactly steep either. He expects people to believe him over their own eyes.

The gap between Trump's world and reality is widening. It's disturbing to watch

Given how busy most Americans are these days – home-schooling their kids, dealing with unemployment, waiting on line at food banks, protesting systemic racism, worrying about our economy and our educational system – few of us have the time, the energy or inclination to wonder what it’s like to be Donald Trump, to imagine how his mind works, what he really thinks and believes. But over the past few weeks, the increasingly strange, intentionally provocative, inappropriate and frankly delusional tweets and pronouncements issuing from the Oval Office have once again caused us to reflect on the president’s inner life. We’ve grown accustomed to his shortcomings, the regular failures of decency, common sense, and good taste. Yet the gap between what the president is saying – and the reality we observe around us – appears to be widening.


Does Trump truly believe that Martin Gugino, the 75-year-old protester shoved to the ground by Buffalo police officers, was an Antifa insurrectionist plotting to block the communications equipment of the officers who shoved him and left him bleeding from the ear? Does the courtly, somewhat hesitant Gugino really look to anyone like a dangerous thug? How could someone have watched that video and floated the idea that the attack on Gugino, still hospitalized with a brain injury, “could be a set-up?”


Is it possible that a president who has spent four years lying to the American people now assumes that everyone is lying? Or can he simply no longer distinguish between fact and fiction, between conspiracy theories spread by fringe “news” outlets such as the One America News Network and observable reality? What sane human being could imagine that America wanted to hear that George Floyd was smiling down from heaven at the day’s modestly improved job reports?


Lately, I’ve been thinking of the 8,000 word “long telegram” that George Kennan, then the American chargé d’affaires in Moscow and later an architect of the Cold War, sent to the State Department in 1946 – a document in which Kennan described the methods of an authoritarian dictatorship, “so strange to our form of thought”. Under Stalin, wrote Kennan, “The very disrespect of Russians for objective truth – indeed, their disbelief in its existence – leads them to view all stated facts as instruments for furtherance of one ulterior purpose or another.”


It’s remarkable, how much one can get used to, with a president who has made over 18,000 false or misleading claims since taking office. But all that seems more disturbing now, not only because the tweets and speculations have gotten more aggressive and outlandish, but because the upheavals in our country, the crises we face – the continuing Covid-19 pandemic, the tanking economy, the unrest inspired by the early stages of a necessary reckoning with racism – have made us wish, more than ever, for a leader who shows some honesty, common sense, or who just (we’re setting the bar quite low here) behaves like a responsible adult.


Now, when we most need stability, when we have never felt more uncertain about the future – will school reopen in the fall? Will we get our jobs back? What will life look like after the pandemic? – we have a president who seems to enjoy destabilizing us further. How could anyone think that what we need now is more chaos, disorder and ill will, filtering down from the top?


These days, when I think of Trump, I only rarely picture a guy with an orange face, weird hair and an absurdly long tie. I’ve instead begun to imagine Cerberus, the many-headed dog-monster from Greek mythology.


One of this creature’s heads is obviously Donald Trump’s, but there are others, snarling and yapping and bickering, all offering wrong opinions and bad advice as they try to keep Trump in line and do damage control when he strikes out on his own. Trump’s head may be the monster’s public face, but there are also the heads of Ivanka and Jared; of Attorney General William Barr subverting the rule of law and orchestrating the vile photo op in front of St John’s church; of Mitch McConnell; and of Senior Adviser Stephen Miller, fanning Trump’s racism and implementing his inhuman anti-immigration policies.


I’ve heard it said that the decision to stage a Republican campaign rally on 19 June (Juneteenth, the date when the last of the Confederate slaves were freed) in Tulsa, Oklahoma (where more than 300 Black people were killed by white mob in 1921) “has Stephen Miller written all over it”. That supposition seems likely, given Trump’s notoriously weak grasp of American history in general and African American history in particular; recall when, in 2017, he spoke as if abolitionist Frederick Douglass, who died in 1895, were still alive “and is being recognized more and more”. (On Saturday Trump agreed to change the date of the campaign rally in Tulsa.)

The gap between Trump's world and reality is widening. It's disturbing to watch | Francine Prose | Opinion | The Guardian

Thank you for that.

I feel sorry for him.






......... um, no I don’t

Originally Posted by Klondyke
Something like this is called: "preaching water, but drinking wine..."

Originally Posted by nidhogg

You know what, i was not familiar with this phrase, so i went and looked it up. Basically it means someone who says something, but does the opposite.

So, wankstain, i have no real idea who you are, as you are just one of the board static, but you either justify that comment or i am going to be on you like a fly on shit. And trust me, you do not want that.

Very happy that reading my comments contributes to enrichment of your academic knowledge. I too am learning words from you...

Association with that phrase? I too was impressed by Obama's speeches and promises in his election propaganda, and perhaps the Nobel Peace Prize Committee either.

However, I hadn't been impressed by his actions (or non-actions) during his presidency, had you? Perhaps only by his asseveration of the "exceptionality" (happy not belonging to that sort).


How did you appreciate his statement that if some are not sure about the "exceptionalism" they will have their arms twisted?

Did you find it:

Sophisticated, well spoken, humerous, self-depreciating and genuinely concerned for others.

???

Originally Posted by nidhogg

You know what, i was not familiar with this phrase, so i went and looked it up. Basically it means someone who says something, but does the opposite.

So, wankstain, i have no real idea who you are, as you are just one of the board static, but you either justify that comment or i am going to be on you like a fly on shit. And trust me, you do not want that.

Oh.......scary

It seems Rassmussen, who are always massaging their numbers to make baldy look good, can't do a fucking lot with what they've got other then give Biden a 12 point lead.

I wonder when baldy will demand an apology and a retraction?

Quintessential Trump.

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father - The New York Times


TL;DR? "Crime families gonna Crime"...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Klondyke
Something like this is called: "preaching water, but drinking wine..."



Very happy that reading my comments contributes to enrichment of your academic knowledge. I too am learning words from you...

Association with that phrase? I too was impressed by Obama's speeches and promises in his election propaganda, and perhaps the Nobel Peace Prize Committee either.

However, I hadn't been impressed by his actions (or non-actions) during his presidency, had you? Perhaps only by his asseveration of the "exceptionality" (happy not belonging to that sort).


How did you appreciate his statement that if some are not sure about the "exceptionalism" they will have their arms twisted?

Did you find it:

???

I will assume that your lack of clarity is a result of you posting in a second language, rather than you just being a bit retarded.

Here is the converstaion recapped:

Me: Looking at old speeches of Obama, he comes over very well, in contrast to the present guy.
You: You are a two faced hypocrite.
Me: wtf dude?
You: I don't think he was a good president.

The point was not whether or not Obama was a good President, it was about how he comes over in speeches.