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    Trump says he could bring back fired ex-national security adviser Flynn

    WASHINGTON, April 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would consider bringing his fired former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a key figure in the probe into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, back into his administration.

    The president's comments, the latest in a string of remarks about Flynn, go beyond prior suggestions by Trump that the retired general could be in line for a presidential pardon.

    "I would certainly consider it, yeah. I think he's a fine man," Trump told reporters, without specifying which role he might give to Flynn.

    Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements in a charge brought by then-Special Counsel Robert Mueller. He is now insisting he did not lie and wants to back out of the plea.

    Internal FBI documents turned over by the Justice Department on Wednesday showed FBI officials debated whether and when to warn Flynn that he could face criminal charges as they prepared for a January 2017 interview with him in the Russia probe.

    Trump blamed Flynn's predicament on "dirty cops" and said the documents show Flynn was a victim.

    "He's in the process of being exonerated. If you look at those notes from yesterday, that was total exoneration," Trump said.

    Flynn left his White House position after only 24 days when he was found to have misled Vice President Mike Pence about his discussions with Russia's then-ambassador to the United States Sergei Kislyak. Trump said in 2017 that he fired Flynn because he had lied to Pence and the FBI.

    Pence said during a trip to Indiana on Thursday that Flynn's actions may have been unintentional.

    "I'm deeply troubled by the revelations of what appeared to have been investigative abuse by officials in the Justice Department. And we're going to continue to look into that very carefully," Pence said.

    "My respect for General Flynn personally for his service to the country is undiminished. And I am inclined more than ever to believe that what he communicated to me back during the transition leading to our inauguration, that was unintentional and not - and that he was not attempting to misrepresent facts," he said.

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    Trump is marching meatpacking workers off to their deaths

    Proof positive that the orange shitgibbon doesn't care about anyone but himself.

    The president’s executive order to keep meat plants open shows contempt for workers’ health and public health
    In ordering the nation’s meat plants to stay open, Donald Trump is in essence marching many meatpacking workers off to slaughter. With his executive order on Tuesday night, the president is in effect overruling safety-minded governors and mayors who have pressured numerous meat, pork and poultry plants into shutting temporarily after they had become hotspots that were spreading Covid-19 through their surrounding communities. With such a move, Trump is – let’s not mince words here – is showing contempt for both workers’ health and public health.


    What makes Trump’s order especially alarming and disdainful toward workers’ wellbeing is that he has ordered meatpacking plants to stay open or to reopen even though his business-friendly Occupational Safety and Health Administration (Osha) – overseen by the labor secretary, Eugene Scalia – has issued no requirements whatsoever that meatpacking plants take firm, specific steps to protect their workers against Covid-19. Instead, Trump’s Osha has merely issued a “guidance”, which is essentially a will-you-pretty-please-do-this request that meatpacking plants take sundry steps to improve safety. Considering that more than 700 workers at the Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, have contracted Covid-19, it’s hard to have confidence that meatpacking companies – which have already done such a poor job protecting their workers from the virus and which traditionally put huge emphasis on line speed and productivity – will rush to take the voluntarily steps recommended to assure worker safety, steps that would cost money and slow down the plants’ all-important line speed.


    “It’s a guideline. It’s not a regulation. They can do whatever they want,” Tony Corbo, an official with Food and Water Watch, told the New York Times. “The people are still standing next to one another in these plants. They’re still getting sick.”


    At least 20 meatpacking workers have died from the coronavirus and 6,500 have tested positive or been quarantined, according to the United Food and Commercial Workers union. Twenty-two meat and poultry plants have been shut at some point in recent weeks after clusters of employees tested positive.


    The workers are forgotten, invisible cogs in Trump’s political machinations


    The language of Trump’s executive order is startling – it treats workers and worker health as an afterthought. It’s all about production; the workers are forgotten, invisible cogs in Trump’s political machinations. In his executive order he declares: “It is important that processors of beef, pork, and poultry in the food supply chain continue operating and fulfilling orders to ensure a continued supply of protein for Americans.”


    It would have been nice if Trump had flown out to Iowa, Nebraska or South Dakota to meet with workers and explained the situation before making an announcement that could ultimately threaten the lives of thousands of meatpacking workers. That’s what a president who truly cared about workers would have done. But that’s not how Trump rolls.


    And even less would Trump would have wanted to be seen standing alongside meatpacking workers since such a high percentage of them are immigrants, often brown people from south of the border or black people from east Africa – people whom Trump has made his whipping boy. Trump doesn’t mind using these workers as production fodder so long as it keeps meat on America’s table. A shortage of meat – an all-American symbol and a macho symbol – could make Trump look bumbling and incompetent and serve as yet another reason for Americans to vote against him in November.


    Who ever imagined that putting sirloin and filet mignon on your table would be a national defense issue? Trump evidently did, because he invoked the Defense Production Act to order meat plants reopened. When past presidents invoked the Defense Production Act, it was usually to order corporations to do what they don’t want to do – to rush to produce this item or that one. But here Trump has invoked the act to do what many corporations want – to have their plants reopened despite the safety worries of all those irritating governors and mayors and labor unions and workers.


    Perversely, the Trump White House is pushing hard to give meatpacking companies, and all of corporate America, a disincentive to act quickly and properly to protect their workers against the pandemic. Trump’s administration is pressing Congress to enact an extraordinary liability shield that would insulate corporations from lawsuits their workers bring asserting that their employers were negligent in doing too little to protect them against Covid-19.


    If you’re going to force plants to reopen and in effect force wary employees back to work – they’ll lose their unemployment benefits if they don’t go back to work at their reopened plants – shouldn’t you have some weapon, whether an emergency Osha regulation or the threat of a lawsuit to ensure that corporations step up and do what they should do on safety during the worst pandemic in a century?


    It’s also rather shocking that Trump, in this executive order, does this big favor for American consumers, farmers and corporations and does nothing to thank the workers whose lives would be put on the line. At a minimum, Trump should demand that the meatpacking companies or Congress ensure that these workers receive substantial hazard pay for work he has deemed essential to the national defense. (Sherrod Brown has proposed a hazard pay premium of $13 an hour for essential workers.)


    Chalk this up as yet another Trump administration win for corporate America and yet another loss for America’s workers.
    Trump is marching meatpacking workers off to their deaths | Steven Greenhouse | Opinion | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Trump says he could bring back fired ex-national security adviser Flynn

    WASHINGTON, April 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would consider bringing his fired former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a key figure in the probe into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, back into his administration.

    The president's comments, the latest in a string of remarks about Flynn, go beyond prior suggestions by Trump that the retired general could be in line for a presidential pardon.

    "I would certainly consider it, yeah. I think he's a fine man," Trump told reporters, without specifying which role he might give to Flynn.

    Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements in a charge brought by then-Special Counsel Robert Mueller. He is now insisting he did not lie and wants to back out of the plea.

    Internal FBI documents turned over by the Justice Department on Wednesday showed FBI officials debated whether and when to warn Flynn that he could face criminal charges as they prepared for a January 2017 interview with him in the Russia probe.

    Trump blamed Flynn's predicament on "dirty cops" and said the documents show Flynn was a victim.

    "He's in the process of being exonerated. If you look at those notes from yesterday, that was total exoneration," Trump said.

    Flynn left his White House position after only 24 days when he was found to have misled Vice President Mike Pence about his discussions with Russia's then-ambassador to the United States Sergei Kislyak. Trump said in 2017 that he fired Flynn because he had lied to Pence and the FBI.

    Pence said during a trip to Indiana on Thursday that Flynn's actions may have been unintentional.

    "I'm deeply troubled by the revelations of what appeared to have been investigative abuse by officials in the Justice Department. And we're going to continue to look into that very carefully," Pence said.

    "My respect for General Flynn personally for his service to the country is undiminished. And I am inclined more than ever to believe that what he communicated to me back during the transition leading to our inauguration, that was unintentional and not - and that he was not attempting to misrepresent facts," he said.

    Trump says he could bring back fired ex-national security ...
    Fox is REALLY excited about this. All over it like white on rice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKG View Post
    ok mr. personality, the thought behind me saying i am not familiar with that slang "I got a red" was that a reasonable person would have the etiquette to explain it as a matter of normal courtesy.

    could be posters like you that continually try to insult and berate others that keep the numbers down on this forum.

    Yet, remarkably, you're still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKG
    i review op eds articles, etc etc from multiple sources of multiple political persuasions and analyze it objectively rather than simply dismiss it.
    Then it appears, subjectively, that you have a bit of a public image issue regarding objectivity.

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    eventually, after all this, Trump will be proved right, again

    while you snowflakes would be crying in your beer, again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    eventually, after all this, Trump will be proved right, again

    while you snowflakes would be crying in your beer, again
    You just keep rubbing those turds Butters!

    It might pay dividends one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKG View Post
    not familiar with slang expression. "I got a red"
    How...er...snaffish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    You just keep rubbing those turds Butters!

    It might pay dividends one day.
    and you can keep crying in your beer over Trump

    how is life under the lockdown, mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    how is life under the lockdown, mate
    Same 'ole same 'ole really... Was just talking to someone about that last night.

    Other than the odd check point and the alcohol ban nothing else has really changed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Same 'ole same 'ole really... Was just talking to someone about that last night.

    Other than the odd check point and the alcohol ban nothing else has really changed here.
    less population maybe?

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    Yeah maybe, dunno really. That's just my experience I'm sure it's different for others.

    Just as usual I am either oblivious to it and / or don't give a fuck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    less population maybe?
    Made me think about Sweden.

    Have you got a comment to Trump's criticisme of the swedish "stay open" strategy ?

    And praise for the danish and norwegian lockdown

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    the lack of population here is getting scary, fuck, how are we going to cope with it after the lockdown

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    Baldy orange cunto is lying and being stupid again. Of course to trumpanzees it won't matter.

    “The last administration left us nothing. We started off with bad, broken tests, and obsolete tests”
    Yes, apparently Obama didn't leave "very good" or "beautiful" tests for a virus that didn't actually exist in 2016.



    Of course what the dumb orange wanker fails to mention is that he was left a complete Pandemic playbook which he ignored...

    Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook - POLITICO

    And he dismantled the NSC Pandemic Response Team.

    I'm pretty sure that will get plenty of air time as the election approaches.

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    december 2017....

    President Donald Trump-download-png

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    It's very telling that people are forced into hypothetical and ultimately meaningless and irrelevant comparisons to judge Trump instead of just judging him on his own actions.

    It's just turd-polishing and excuse making. His legacy is going to be on how low the bar was set for him and still managing to fuck it up.
    Indeed.

    Do you want to eat cat shit in a red bag or cat shit in a blue one.

    I'd rather not eat cat shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    december 2017....

    President Donald Trump-download-png

    Just another baldy orange cunto "trick" to distract from the abysmal job he is doing with the pandemic.

    I don't think this nonsense works any more, but none of his team is brave enough to tell him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    eventually, after all this, Trump will be proved right, again
    About what?

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    i'd wager he pardons flynn at some point in the next six months....yes, it will primarily be a distraction, but it also plays well with his moronic base.

    especially if he realizes that's he's not going to win....he's going to pardon all of them.....manafort, stone, and flynn.


    the only bigger threat to american institutions than trump winning a second term, is what he'll do in the three months after he loses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Baldy orange cunto is lying and being stupid again. Of course to trumpanzees it won't matter.

    Yes, apparently Obama didn't leave "very good" or "beautiful" tests for a virus that didn't actually exist in 2016.
    Of course what the dumb orange wanker fails to mention is that he was left a complete Pandemic playbook which he ignored...

    Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook - POLITICO

    And he dismantled the NSC Pandemic Response Team.

    I'm pretty sure that will get plenty of air time as the election approaches.
    You would think/hope so but the dems are so wet they miss so many opportunities to put the boot in it makes me wonder.
    The whole 'they go low we go high' PC approach really doesn't work.
    The Dems are a bunch of wimps. They need to grow some balls.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i'd wager he pardons flynn at some point in the next six months....yes, it will primarily be a distraction, but it also plays well with his moronic base.

    especially if he realizes that's he's not going to win....he's going to pardon all of them.....manafort, stone, and flynn.


    the only bigger threat to american institutions than trump winning a second term, is what he'll do in the three months after he loses.
    He'll burn the fucking house down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Do you want to eat cat shit in a red bag or cat shit in a blue one.

    I'd rather not eat cat shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    The Dems are a bunch of wimps. They need to grow some balls.
    Agree
    Americans don't see it that way

    Stop making sense

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    I thought Trump's ties to the Russian mob would have been exposed by now, but not the case. Nancy Pelosi is correct when she says all paths lead to Putin.

    All of Donald Trump’s Ties to Russia and Putin, in 7 Charts - POLITICO Magazine

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Originally Posted by EKG
    ok mr. personality, the thought behind me saying i am not familiar with that slang "I got a red" was that a reasonable person would have the etiquette to explain it as a matter of normal courtesy.

    could be posters like you that continually try to insult and berate others that keep the numbers down on this forum.

    Yet, remarkably, you're still here.
    Normally seld assured confident successful people do not have the need to continually insult, and/or denigrate others and use vile language. It is just very boring and shows how intellectually-emotionally challenged they are and they also hold a lot of anger.

    So it is true what you wrote about me still being on the forum thread but my motivation excludes your misery needing my company.

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