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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Not exactly a revelation....


    Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference.

    Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference | The Independent
    That was a fun read ...

    “Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that’s delusional,” he added.

    James Gilligan, a psychiatrist and professor at New York University ...
    “I’ve worked with murderers and rapists. I can recognise dangerousness from a mile away. You don’t have to be an expert on dangerousness or spend fifty years studying it like I have in order to know how dangerous this man is.”
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Spineless wankers.

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    "I don't believe the polls. I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don't think they will put a man in who's incompetent."

    ~ Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    NZ? No one gives a stuff (not even 20% of Kiwis who live elsewhere) about the place, hence very little news except for about Horse-Teeth Jacinda.
    Any alternative to Ardern you'd like to put up for consideration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Originally Posted by EKG

    APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry
    Spineless wankers.
    arguably the worlds #1 preeminent psychiatric association/community are "spineless wankers"

    they elaborate with rationale though you fail to elaborate addressing the points they make in rebutting them.

    "spineless wankers" because you simply don't agree with them.


    would it be true to say you were not the leader of your university debate team ?

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    So much truth in so few words... Although obviously the toll is now in excess of that.

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    Trump is having a bigger meltdown that a certain "tax" poster on here. Now wants to sue the head of his campaign committee because his poll numbers are falling.

    Trump erupts at campaign manager as reelection stress overflows - CNNPolitics
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    Trump the commander-in-bleach has been stripped of all feeling


    Donald Trump kindly obliged when a reporter asked last month if our commander-in-bleach saw America as being at war against the coronavirus.


    “I do. I actually do,” he admitted, as the official death toll reached just 145 Americans. “I view it as a, in a sense, a wartime president. I mean that’s what we’re fighting. I mean, it’s – it’s a very tough situation. You’re – you have to do things.”


    Doing things is one of the great burdens of being a wartime president. Explaining things is another. Sometimes you’re even asked to feel things. And we’re not talking about models, OK? Not even pandemic models.


    One of those weird feeling questions was lobbed Trump’s way on Tuesday, like a meatball dangling in the air of the East Room, waiting to be crushed in front of the cameras.


    “You’ve spoken about your friend who passed away,” begged the hungry reporter. “I was wondering if you have spoken to the families of anyone else who has lost a loved one to Covid-19. If there’s any particular stories that have affected you.”


    Lots of stories have affected Donald Trump. The story about his inaugural crowds. The story about him losing the popular vote by historic margins. The stories about his corruption and incompetence. The story about Russia conspiring to manipulate American voters to elect him. The story about his impeachment for trying to corrupt November’s election.


    But the death of another person affecting him?


    “Well, I have – I have many people. I know many stories,” he warmed up. “I’ve spoken to three, maybe, I guess, four families unrelated to me.”


    Since he first embraced the notion of being a wartime president, another 58,800 Americans have died from the pandemic. But our wartime leader could only find three, maybe four families to talk to. He is, you know, a busy man.


    Perhaps not too busy to tweet about anything he sees on the teevee. But often too busy for lunch, according to his new chief of staff, who says that’s “the biggest concern I have”. Which means the catastrophic death toll and unemployment numbers are less of a concern than a hangry Trump. Good to know where your priorities lie, Mark Meadows. Thank you for your service.


    Anyway, about those dead Americans.


    “I did – I lost a very good friend,” explained our wartime leader. “I also lost three other friends – two of whom I didn’t know as well, but they were friends and people I did business with, and probably almost everybody in the room did.”


    So they were special, then, these friends you didn’t know well, but did business with. Like everybody. Very moving.


    “And it’s a – it’s a bad death,” he continued. “It’s not a – it’s – it’s a bad thing. It grips on to some people. Now we found out that young people do extraordinarily well. That’s why I think we can start thinking about schools, but of course, we’re ending the school season.”


    Yes, pandemics have a way of gripping on to people and delivering the bad deaths that are totally and completely different from the good deaths. Truly, your friends are lucky to have you, Mr President. It’s just a shame they weren’t young people.


    At this point, our wartime president gave up entirely on the premise of talking about the deaths of his friends to go on a springtime stroll through the open fields of his synapses.


    He talked about Purdue University in Indiana (“a great state”) and also some place called Harvard. Apparently they want to reopen, which is not, as they say at MIT, rocket science. These places are doing something Trump called “computer learning”, which, he pointed out, is not “tele-learning”. Not at all. That’s the kind of thing you did at Trump University, which criminology students now claim to be a classic case of fraud.


    Trump may share the same burden as LBJ, but he plainly lacks his political sense to quit rather than seek re-election
    Previous wartime presidents have been racked by the nation’s grief. Barack Obama cleared his schedule to talk and write to the families of soldiers killed in action, and visited with many. George W Bush said it was his “duty” to visit wounded soldiers and endure their parent’s verbal abuse. Trump, of course, lied about Obama’s treatment of gold star families, while also telling one widow that her husband “knew what he signed up for”.


    But Obama and Bush never had to deal with the enormous magnitude of death that is Trump’s record. The United States has now lost more lives to the pandemic than it did in Vietnam, when Lyndon Johnson was so anguished by a war he knew was unwinnable. LBJ was hardly the emotive type but even he struggled with how to respond to grieving families.


    Donald Trump, however, stands alone. He may share the same burden as Johnson, but he plainly lacks his political sense to quit rather than seek re-election. As the Washington Post calculated, he has spent just four and a half minutes expressing condolences for the deceased in more than 13 hours of briefings.


    So our antihero glided blithely past another disastrous marker on his long descent into the depths of presidential failure: one million cases of a pandemic that he said just two months ago, would go down to zero and disappear “like a miracle”.


    “At the appropriate time, it will be down to zero, like we said,” he explained on Tuesday, without divulging when it would be appropriate for the virus to disappear with the requisite decorum.


    You see, for Trump, 58,000 dead Americans is actually a win. Kind of like a big win-win, really. Remember that the experts said that even more people would die and the experts were wrong. So that’s one win for him. And then they said he shouldn’t impose travel restrictions on flights from China, but he did, so that’s another win for him.


    “So I think we’ve done a great job, in the sense that we were early,” he explained. “I think by banning China – by banning China and banning people coming in who would have been very heavily infected, we probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. So on that, I’m very proud.”


    Never mind that 40,000 people entered the country after his so-called ban. Trump thinks that only Chinese citizens were “very heavily infected” and that – in the great ledger of life and death – his two wins outweigh 58,000 lost lives.


    While the world’s scientists desperately search for a vaccine against the coronavirus, they may be missing an extraordinary case of immunity that stares us in the face every day. It’s like someone brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way. The disinfectant knocked it out in a minute, by injection inside or almost a cleaning.


    Donald Trump has been bleached of all feeling.
    Trump the commander-in-bleach has been stripped of all feeling | Richard Wolffe | Opinion | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post


    So much truth in so few words... Although obviously the toll is now in excess of that.
    Who needs wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKG View Post
    arguably the worlds #1 preeminent psychiatric association/community are "spineless wankers"

    they elaborate with rationale though you fail to elaborate addressing the points they make in rebutting them.

    "spineless wankers" because you simply don't agree with them.


    would it be true to say you were not the leader of your university debate team ?
    Oh sorry, I would have thought you would have known the facts, but since you don't, here's a brief precis:

    Barry Goldwater was a fucking nutter who thought using nukes on Vietnam was a good way to "stop the spread of communism", yes, a paranoid delusional who saw a commie under every bed.

    The reason the Goldwater rule was enacted was because he sued when his mental deficiences were pointed out and won.

    Thankfully the US still has the First Amendment, so anyone who can observe the bald orange wanker licking windows is free to judge, and a psychiatric opinion is the icing on the cake.

    Of course, being a window licker yourself you probably take umbrage to this, hence your whining.

    To quote one of the more sensible shrinks: "We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump's dangerous mental illness."

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    epic

    you presented an actual "points" addressed response rather than solely the baseline insult thrown at the op although you managed to include that also


    approved

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Not exactly a revelation....


    Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference.

    Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference | The Independent

    here is a story about dr bandy lee, the ceo trump hater of the psychiatrists against trump lol, it seems she had a run in with alan dershowitz with whom she disagrees with thus labeling him mentally ill.

    Dismissing Her Political Opponents As Mentally Ill, Yale Psychiatrist Diagnoses Alan Dershowitz

    By complaining to Yale about Bandy Lee's violation of the Goldwater Rule, Dershowitz lets her portray herself as a brave dissident.






    Yale forensic psychiatrist Bandy Lee, who famously diagnosed Donald Trump with narcissistic personality disorder, is now suggesting that Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, a conspicuous critic of claims that the president is guilty of obstructing justice or other impeachable conduct, suffers from the same mental disorder. Not only that, Lee says on Twitter, but "just about all of Donald Trump's followers" suffer from a "shared psychosis"—a pseudomedical conclusion that nicely illustrates how Lee and like-minded Trump critics try to shut down political debate by portraying their opponents as mentally ill.
    Dershowitz made that point in a recent Gatestone Institute essay. "Her resort to diagnosis rather than dialogue is a symptom of a much larger problem that faces our divided nation," he writes. "Too many Americans are refusing to engage in reasoned dialogue with people with whom they disagree."
    Unfortunately, Dershowitz seems to be doing something similar by complaining to Lee's employer about her diagnosis of him.
    Dershowitz notes that Lee's habit of bludgeoning her opponents with the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental


    Disorders (DSM) flies in the face of the APA's Goldwater Rule, which says "it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement." Lee argues that the Goldwater Rule should not prevent psychiatrists from bringing their expertise to bear on important issues of the day—in particular, Trump's presidency, which she views as an existential threat to humanity. Yet the rule, a response to similar psychiatric critiques of 1964 Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater, was meant to discourage passionate partisans like Lee from casting their political opinions as professional medical judgments, which is exactly what Lee is doing.
    The basis for Lee's diagnosis of Dershowitz shows how casually she tosses DSM labels around. In lieu of an "examination," she cited a July 18 Fox News interview in which Dershowitz responded to Virginia Giuffre's claim that Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who committed suicide in jail last August after he was arrested on federal charges of sex trafficking minors, forced her to have sex with Dershowitz, who represented Epstein in a 2006 Florida case involving underage prostitution.
    "I've had sex with one woman since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein," Dershowitz said, referring to his wife. "I challenge David Boies [Giuffre's lawyer] to say under oath that he's only had sex with one woman during that same period of time. He couldn't do it. So he has an enormous amount of chutzpah to attack me and to challenge my perfect, perfect sex life during the relevant period of time." Dershowitz averred that David Boies "has a terrible reputation for sexual activities."
    Boies' sex life, of course, is logically irrelevant to the merits of Giuffre's charge against Dershowitz, or of Dershowitz's counter-charge that she is guilty of defaming him. But if it is true that Dershowitz was faithful to his wife "during the relevant period," then it must be true that Giuffre is lying or mistaken. Showing little interest in what actually happened, Lee latched onto Dershowitz's use of the word perfect to describe his sexual fidelity, which she cited as evidence that he caught a mental disorder from the president.
    "Alan Dershowitz's employing the odd use of 'perfect'—not even a synonym—might be dismissed as ordinary influence in most contexts," Lee tweeted. "However, given the severity and spread of 'shared psychosis' among just about all of Donald Trump's followers, a different scenario is more likely. Which scenario? That he has wholly taken on Trump's symptoms by contagion. There is even proof: his bravado toward his opponent with a question about his own sex life—in a way that is irrelevant to the actual lawsuit—shows the same grandiosity and delusional-level impunity. Also identical is the level of lack of empathy, of remorse, and of consideration of consequences (until some accountability comes from the outside—at which time he is likely to lash out equally)."
    Contrary to Lee's implication, Dershowitz's use of perfect predates by more than two months Trump's dubious reliance on that adjective to describe his July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the conversation at the heart of his impeachment. "I guess she believes he caught the contagion from me," Dershowitz writes. More to the point, Lee is pretending that her assessment of Dershowitz's character (which includes the assumption that Dershowitz did in fact have sex with Giuffre) is an objectively verifiable scientific conclusion. While that is very much in the spirit of the DSM, the APA at least expects psychiatrists to actually meet and examine people (and get their permission) before publicly issuing such a diagnosis.




    Irked by Lee's departure from the Goldwater Rule, Dershowitz sent a copy of his response essay to the deans of Yale's medical and law schools, where Lee works. He tells me he "asked Yale to determine whether her diagnosis of me violated the academic standards of the university." Now Lee, who does not hesitate to use her position and psychiatric expertise to stigmatize people who disagree with her, is portraying herself as a brave dissident, which is pretty funny given the dearth of MAGA hats at Yale and the accolades she gets on Twitter.
    "Alan Dershowitz has now taken his grievance to the deans of Yale Law School and Yale School of Medicine," Lee writes. "Fortunately, I am less afraid of power than I am of truth. I have considered the costs; if he expects me to cower and to compromise, I will not."
    Noting Lee's complaint about his complaint, I suggested to Dershowitz that contacting Lee's employer looks like an intimidation tactic. "I merely informed Yale of the facts and asked them to determine whether she broke any university rules," he replied by email. "It's their decision how to proceed. I don't think she has a free speech right to defame me."
    While Lee's implicit endorsement of Giuffre's claim against Dershowitz might be viewed as defamatory, since it concerns a factual issue, her diagnosis of him is simply a personal opinion dressed up as a medical judgment. The diagnostic entity known as "narcissistic personality disorder" is nothing more than a constellation of unappealing, harmful traits (grandiosity, attention seeking, self-centeredness, "exaggerated self-appraisal," etc.) that the APA has decided to give that name. Asking whether Dershowitz (or Trump) really suffers from that "mental disorder" is the same as asking whether they have those traits. One might ask the same thing about Lee, and "there is even proof," based on her public statements, that she possesses at least some of those qualities.
    As with DSM labels generally, there is no objective test that can confirm or disconfirm the diagnosis that Lee has applied to Trump and now Dershowitz. It would therefore be impossible to prove that Lee is making an objectively false statement about them. Notwithstanding its baleful effect on the quality of political debate, Lee's promiscuous use of psychiatric labels does a public service by exposing the pseudoscientific pretensions of her profession.


    Dismissing Her Political Opponents As Mentally Ill, Yale Psychiatrist Diagnoses Alan Dershowitz – Reason.com

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    “I don’t believe the polls,” Trump said. “I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don’t think that they will put a man in who’s incompetent.”
    snigger

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    I got a red from EEG saying "I would definitely follow the bald orange cunto's advice."

    Maybe he has flatlined.


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    ^^^ unreadable link, dude.

    Then again, it's from this guy?

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    $3,422,509 from Koch foundations, 1997-2017

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    I wouldn't say anyone who pushes a right wing agenda is mentally ill. They might just be in it for the money.

    Anyone who *believes* in it though? Trumpanzees and other fucktards too stupid to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I got a red from EEG saying "I would definitely follow the bald orange cunto's advice."

    Maybe he has flatlined.

    not familiar with slang expression. "I got a red"

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    Dershowitz Has lost his mind and many legal scholars agree, and he has become a useful idiot of the right wing propaganda machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Dershowitz Has lost his mind and many legal scholars agree, and he has become a useful idiot of the right wing propaganda machine.

    Many legal scholars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKG View Post
    not familiar with slang expression. "I got a red"
    Yes, it's OK, we know you're retarded, you don't need to keep proving it.

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    Maybe he'll get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Originally Posted by EKG
    not familiar with slang expression. "I got a red"
    Yes, it's OK, we know you're retarded, you don't need to keep proving it.

    ok mr. personality, the thought behind me saying i am not familiar with that slang "I got a red" was that a reasonable person would have the etiquette to explain it as a matter of normal courtesy.

    could be posters like you that continually try to insult and berate others that keep the numbers down on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
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    The Reason Foundation is a libertarian 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization founded in 1978. It describes itself as advancing “free society by developing, applying, and promoting libertarian principles, including individual liberty, free markets, and the rule of law.” [1]

    $3,422,509 from Koch foundations, 1997-2017
    i review op eds articles, etc etc from multiple sources of multiple political persuasions and analyze it objectively rather than simply dismiss it.

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