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    Again in English please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    i don’t care why they didn’t it’s history, what I care about is they get something done on building a barrier. Not interested in all the current drama,I’m looking for results.
    As far as mixing in all of Trump’s fake news and distortions,not interested, I can and have done my own research and it definitely shows the need for the barrier.
    Yeah but your research is Fox news and other carnival barking, because you sure as shit didn't come up with the concept of "medieval wall" on your own.

    You're too fucking stupid.

    So, just to spell it out for you:

    - The Republicans could have given baldy orange cunto his wall at any time. They didn't because it isn't an issue.
    - Baldy orange cunto has invented a "crisis" because the democrats have taken congress and he's trying to dog whistle his supporters in distraction of all those subpoenas headed his way.
    - There is no need for a wall, because most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who overstay
    - The southern border is not the major source of drugs, they come in through ports, airports and land border entry points
    - You're a really stupid idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    No it’s across the U.S. Mexico border,did no one tell you that is where the majority of illegals come in.
    This is a joke yeah,
    or alternating facts
    or FOX facts
    or ... drunk????

    Most illegal immigration doesn't come through the Mexican border where Trump wants to build his wall

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/desp...rn-border.html

    Most undocumented immigrants don’t “sneak” across the border.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/08/facts-donald-trumps-border-wall-address-nation-immigration-

    shutdown-column/2503981002/


    Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/68366...e-data-tell-us





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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So, just to spell it out for you:

    - The Republicans could have given baldy orange cunto his wall at any time. They didn't because it isn't an issue.
    - Baldy orange cunto has invented a "crisis" because the democrats have taken congress and he's trying to dog whistle his supporters in distraction of all those subpoenas headed his way.
    - There is no need for a wall, because most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who overstay
    - The southern border is not the major source of drugs, they come in through ports, airports and land border entry points
    - You're a really stupid idiot.
    Good summation on all points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    What at do you operate off of, you never post any facts,I fact except for your feeble attempts at dreaming posters I don’t recall you posting much of anything.
    Being used to speakers of English-as-a-2nd language all my life, I'm usually pretty good at interpreting broken English...using context, imagination, etc.
    Failed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    No I want to see the names of the “loads” of other countries.
    Easier to say which country the CIA pheonix program is not operating in. Israel.

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    ...good idea:


    Pelosi Should Recognize President McConnell

    By Francis Wilkinson (Bloomberg)

    (Bloomberg Opinion) -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Charles Schumer left empty-handed from their White House meeting with President Donald Trump on Wednesday. And so did the president, who failed, yet again, to gain a commitment to fund a symbolic wall on the nation’s southern border.
    The Democrats had appeared together on camera the night before, responding to the latest jumble of lies, fear-mongering and pure laziness (making an argument is too much work, and making one logically or persuasively is well nigh impossible) that passes for presidential discourse.

    While Pelosi is pretty brilliant at leading the House, neither she nor Schumer are very good at public communication. But the problem with their response to Trump Tuesday night wasn’t so much what they said. It was the same problem that plagued them in their meeting the following day: They were talking to the wrong person.

    To borrow a construct from the classical orator Marco Rubio, let’s dispense with the notion that President Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. Because he really, really doesn’t.
    Trump is not in control of Washington. He’s not even in control of his own administration, where officials simply ignore his diktats until his feeble attention shrivels. Trump is not in charge even of the West Wing of his White House, where his own aides regularly leak embarrassing details of his ignorance and buffoonery and his recently departed chief of staff defined his personal achievements in terms of repeatedly foiling the boss’s half-baked (and not quite half-legal) schemes. And, of course, the reason Trump still doesn’t have a wall is that his fellow Republicans refused for two years to fund one.
    With Democrats in charge of the House, Pelosi should stop wasting time and energy on the reality-television president and deal instead with the closest we’ve got to the real thing: Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

    Increasing pressure on Trump to end the government shutdown, which he backed into without a suspicion of a hint of something that resembled a strategy, makes a certain amount of sense. At least it does if your goal is to embarrass and expose the president. But Pelosi surely must recognize that on both the presidential embarrassment and exposure fronts, the returns are diminishing.

    In any case, identifying McConnell as the real Republican power in the federal government, and treating him accordingly, is the most humiliating thing she can do to Trump. In addition to being satisfying politics, it’s highly practical.

    Trump, as my colleague Timothy O’Brien points out, never mastered far less demanding jobs. He will forever be an agent of chaos, and an enemy of competence.

    But the House and Senate don’t need a president for budget negotiations. They can work out a compromise between them and send it over to Trump, who can lie about what it means and sign it into law. Ann Coulter won’t like it. But nobody elected her, and, realistically, that may be the best Trump can do.

    McConnell doesn’t want to antagonize the president’s tribe, which, as one Trump supporter eloquently explained to the New York Times, wants to be sure that Trump is “hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” But McConnell’s tribe is smaller — 53 senators — and not all of them are as solemnly invested in buttressing the racial hierarchy and punishing their perceived enemies as the MAGA troops tend to be.


    Some of McConnell’s Republican colleagues are looking at an uncertain path to re-election in their states. They are eager to get the government open, appear sensible, moderate and competent, and move on.

    Pelosi should put the onus for doing so squarely and completely on McConnell — not Trump. After all, when two parents have a squabble, they don’t sit around and wait for their 2-year-old to resolve it.

    The House speaker should make it clear that Trump is not the decisive factor in the dispute. McConnell is. For reason to prevail, or at least to have a chance, McConnell will have to take the reins while Trump howls.


    Can the chaos chief executive veto what Congress sends to him? Of course, he can. But figuring out how to avoid that outcome is really not Pelosi’s problem. It’s President McConnell’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yeah but your research is Fox news and other carnival barking, because you sure as shit didn't come up with the concept of "medieval wall" on your own.

    You're too fucking stupid.

    So, just to spell it out for you:

    - The Republicans could have given baldy orange cunto his wall at any time. They didn't because it isn't an issue.
    - Baldy orange cunto has invented a "crisis" because the democrats have taken congress and he's trying to dog whistle his supporters in distraction of all those subpoenas headed his way.
    - There is no need for a wall, because most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who overstay
    - The southern border is not the major source of drugs, they come in through ports, airports and land border entry points
    - You're a really stupid idiot.

    Well I’ll no my research is not Fox News ,I would rather search out the facts for my self.
    Your being a bit repetitive and except for your hate for Trump are showing no good reason why to not build the wall.
    You really are a one trick pony,after repeating yourself over and over and over you still have not come up with one good reason not to fund the wall.
    You are the one who is really stupid,not just stupid but shallow their are many reasons for building the wall out side of the fact that the southern border is a causeway for drugs into the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    .good idea:
    No, it completely misses the point that the wall is Trump's ego and thus the only thing on the table as far as he is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Well I’ll no my research is not Fox News ,I would rather search out the facts for my self.
    Listen dimwit. When you open Breitbart or The Blaze, you're getting the same stupid shit from the same stupid people.

    So essentially you are confirming everything I am saying.

    And you certainly aren't refuting any of the facts I posted if, for example, you still believe that

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    No it’s across the U.S. Mexico border,did no one tell you that is where the majority of illegals come in.
    This is utter bullshit and typical of the fucking nonsense the right spew out, and fools like you swallow without even questioning it.

    Try not to be so feeble minded and look at the facts that Importford posted for you in Post 19928.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Well I’ll no my research is not Fox News ,I would rather search out the facts for my self.

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    Trump Has Defeated Himself


    Well, that was the shortest, most easily resolved national emergency in U.S. history. Twelve hours ago, the president was preparing to set aside the regular process of law. By 9 p.m. eastern time? Not so much.


    Perhaps somebody pointed out that 15-year civil-engineering projects do not look very convincingly like emergency measures. “My house is burning! Time to begin the process of calling for design proposals for a new fire station.”


    President Donald Trump is about to discover the reverse side of Richard Neustadt’s famous observation that the most important presidential power is the power to persuade. Trump’s conduct as candidate and president long ago deprived him of any power to persuade anyone not already predisposed to support him. To date, Trump has governed by leveraging his high approval rating within the Republican Party. From the point of view of former Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Trump’s 90 percent approval rating among Republicans mattered a lot more than his 39 percent approval rating among Americans in general.


    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not susceptible to that “majority of the minority” logic. What she has to worry about is Trump’s strength among Democratic-leaning voters. That strength, Trump squandered long ago.


    There is a real immigration problem on the border. Central American migrants have figured out that by showing up at the border in family units, they will be admitted into the country pending the adjudication of an asylum claim. The asylum system is overwhelmed, adjudications take months or years—and long before then, the would-be migrants can vanish into the U.S. labor market. Few Central Americans prevail in their asylum claims. Almost all end up staying, anyway.


    The solution to that problem is not a lengthy process of design, tendering, land expropriation, grading, and construction. The solution is to get more adjudicators into the asylum system now. If cases are resolved fast, and border-crossers removed promptly, the surge of asylum seekers will abate, as it abated in 2015 after the Barack Obama administration cracked down on the 2014 Central American border surge.


    But Trump has never wanted a solution. He has wanted a divisive issue and a personal monument. Futile though that monument may be, he could have gotten it, too, had he been willing to trade something attractive to Democrats. But Trump was never willing to bargain. Senate Republicans would not let him: They saw no point in the border wall, and were unwilling to barter for it.


    More fatefully, though, Trump’s vision of leadership allows no room for bartering. He imagines the presidency to operate on the principle, “I command; you obey.” More even than his wall, he wanted to coerce the Democrats into a surrender by the sheer force of his mighty will. Except Trump did not have the clout to achieve that.


    “Leverage: don’t make deals without it.” The words appeared under Donald Trump’s byline on page 55 of the 1987 best seller The Art of the Deal. Trump did not write them, and he seems not to have understood how to apply them. In this budget shutdown, Trump discarded his leverage from the very start, by declaring for the cameras that the budget shutdown was his decision, his responsibility. When the shutdown began to hurt, Trump and his surrogates hastily tried to transfer the onus—but it was too late. Everybody knew that it was Trump’s doing, and that it was done for reasons rejected by large majorities of Americans.


    The idea of invoking “emergency powers” was a last grasp for the leverage Trump had already abdicated, and it had to be abandoned for fear of what the courts and public opinion would say.


    After the January 8 Oval Office address, little doubt remains of how this shutdown will end. Sooner or later—probably sooner—it will end the way Trump’s threats of nuclear war upon North Korea ended: with a sudden Trump about-face. It is now only a matter of time. The polls will arrive over the next hours. Democrats and Republicans will both see that Trump did not move public opinion in his favor. They might see that Trump could not even motivate very many Americans to watch him. The panic slowly building among congressional Republicans will boil. Trump, trapped without a decent exit in a predicament of his own making, will yield everything and get nothing.


    Trump will cope by locking himself into the Fox News closed-feedback system of flattering disinformation, emerging only to emit enraged tweets pretending he won big and denouncing the media for reporting otherwise. He might even convince himself to believe it. His political allies will repeat it without believing it.


    But he will have lost. Lost humiliatingly. And he will have done it almost entirely to himself, before the amazed eyes of the opponents who, dumbfounded, watched him do it to himself, without a plan or even much of a reason, other than the empty and fleeting joy of feeling briefly powerful by inflicting pain.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-speech/579850/

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    For what it's worth I don't think trump wants a wall. It's being used to bring about a compromise which will be stationing thousands more military troops on active lock and loaded duty down there getting active military in the homeland. Is it the logan act which prevents this? Anyway, the wall is a trojan horse to get troops on the street. Best get prepping Mr Peters because when he's out the dem POTUS will be targeting people like you.

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    The unneeded and ineffective wall was a cornerstone of 45's campaign. He is stuck on it like a broken record and will continue to be until he can spin it to the point where he can claim victory.

    After much confusion and conflicting messages from 45's cabinet, troops are coming out of Syria.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/68445...-pentagon-says

    So far the only thing POTUS Bonespurs has done I agree with. If he follows up with getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan I will consider voting for him in 2020.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    I dont agree with those who say America doesn't need a wall, you surly dont think Trump is doing it for fun do ya.

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    On the border in Texas residents have a message for Trump: There is no crisis

    The Rio Grande Valley had a message for President Trump and the Republican lawmakers who visited Thursday: Dire warnings about a crisis on the border are bad for business.


    “There’s this fallacy that the border is not secure,” Eddie Trevino, the top official in Cameron County, told Texas’ U.S. senators, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz. “It’s not a lawless, crazy, rogue, Third World nation down here.”


    He and other members of the Texas Border Coalition — an organization of lawmakers and businessesspent an hour with the senators and various border officials at a border crossing south of McAllen.


    They complained that as Trump has ratcheted up his rhetoric, railing about drug traffickers and gang members to gain support for building a border wall and emerge victorious in his battle with congressional Democrats, people have become hesitant to shop, visit, work and invest in south Texas.


    “We’re the ones who are collateral damage,” said Ambrosio Hernandez, the mayor of Pharr.


    He and other local officials urged the federal government to invest in improving infrastructure and staffing at border bridges, which are essential to the local economy.


    Sergio Coronado, the mayor of Hidalgo, said all the talk of an emergency is pushing away investors.


    “A lot of the economic boom that exists here depends on people who come from Mexico,” he said.


    The leaders said U.S. border cities are some of the safest in the nation and that Trump’s rhetoric was perpetuating a long-standing myth that south Texas is violent.


    They were not necessarily against a wall. But they pointed out that a continuous barrier across the valley would have to be built far north of the meandering Rio Grande that forms the border and cut off certain communities on the banks.


    The officials said they favored a “smart wall,” in which additional Border Patrol agents as well as cameras, sensors and other technology were as important as physical barriers.


    Trump did not attend the discussion, having met earlier in the day with select officials at a local Border Patrol station. But the senators promised to share local sentiment with him.


    Cornyn told the officials he understood their concerns: “We need to not only be concerned with security, but trade and commerce.”


    He and Cruz said they accompanied Trump during his visit and talked with him on the flight to Texas. They said he would support border improvements if Democrats would agree to fund some form of wall.


    “I believe he is open to negotiation,” Cornyn said.


    Neither senator was willing to predict how long it would take to end the federal government shutdown, which started Dec. 22 when Trump and Democrats failed to reach an agreement on whether to fund the border wall. As part of new federal spending legislation, the president has requested $5.7 billion for the wall, which Democrats vehemently oppose.


    The Rio Grande Valley has been predominantly Democratic for generations, but Trump has supporters here as well. Earlier in the day, a couple hundred gathered at the McAllen airport to watch his motorcade pass.


    Marcus Pena, 25, an Army veteran and federal worker furloughed because of the shutdown, was living off his savings this week. But he still backed Trump in his standoff for a border wall.


    Pena said he hoped the visit “shows Republicans they need to get in line,” emboldens Trump and “bolsters his desire to come through with a wall.”


    But wall opponents had a much bigger presence. More than 500 protesters gathered near the airport, carrying signs that said “Our only crisis is the POTUS” and “Our home is not a crisis zone.”


    Lindsey Ledezma, a 19-year-old cosmetology student, said she joined the protest because her mother, a longtime Border Patrol dispatcher, has been furloughed because of the shutdown and had to borrow $1,500 to pay bills.


    “I don’t think Donald Trump realizes how many people he hurts with his actions every day,” Ledezma said.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...110-story.html

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    Go Fund Me will refund $20 million to the people who gave to the Build The Wall campaign

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/2550175002/

    meanwhile.....

    Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage Jr., who started the campaign, announced on Friday he had formed a non-profit in Florida to receive money from GoFundMe contributions to build the wall himself with a team of officials without the help of the federal government.

    "We are better equipped than our own government to use the donated funds to build an actual wall on the southern border," Kolfage Jr. said in his announcement of the new plan.

    "Our highly experienced team is highly confident that we can complete significant segments of the wall in less time, and for far less money, than the federal government, while meeting or exceeding all required regulatory, engineering, and environmental specifications."

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Go Fund Me will refund 2 million to the people who gave to the Build The Wall campaign
    They should donate it to an immigrant rights nonprofit. Those dimwitted morons do not deserve to get their money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    "Our highly experienced team is highly confident that we can complete significant segments of the wall in less time, and for far less money,
    and if they can't, at least they paid themselves a nice salary from the donated funds for their efforts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    I dont agree with those who say America doesn't need a wall, you surly dont think Trump is doing it for fun do ya.
    Well yeah.

    Although not so much for fun as because he's a whistle-blowing moron and pathological liar who is in over his head. There will be no wall and Mexico won't pay for it.

    Only thing for sure is that he's doing it to pander to his equally ill-informed base.

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    A proper, qualified Engineer explains why baldy orange cunto's stupid fucking wall is a really shit idea.

    https://www.upworthy.com/an-actual-e...ting-to-happen

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    It's funny how Breitbart spent eight years of Obama screaming that just because people weren't "looking for work" doesn't mean they are actually employed, but in fact had more likely given up looking.

    Yet now, in the baldy orange cunto era, they have completely reversed their interpretation.

    Well what a surprise.

    I told you RPETER was getting all his "research" off rubbish like Breitbart.

    Stupid fucking coffin dodger hasn't got a clue.

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