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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    but ask any citizen if they are better off now than eight years ago like the elderly or homeless.
    Oh, haha I missed this gem!

    Is the entire US populace now made up of the elderly and the homeless? Cherry pick much? "Any citizen"? C'mon, at least put some effort in to it ffs...

    The GOP is getting ready to privatise medicare right now, how much do you think that will help the elderly and the homeless?

    Again, I ask you to show your work and the numbers that lead you to your conclusions.
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    Once you have backed up all your statements, I will consider it, but we both know both sides are represented on the internet. It is a waste of time quoting biased opinions and proves nothing. Any poll or research will be slanted toward the side sponsoring the article. My statements come from being a US citizen for 69 years and working in healthcare for over 40 of those years. Where do your general statements come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    but ask any citizen if they are better off now than eight years ago like the elderly or homeless.
    Oh, haha I missed this gem!

    Is the entire US populace now made up of the elderly and the homeless? Cherry pick much? "Any citizen"? C'mon, at least put some effort in to it ffs...

    The GOP is getting ready to privatise medicare right now, how much do you think that will help the elderly and the homeless?

    Again, I ask you to show your work and the numbers that lead you to your conclusions.
    Not cherry picking any more than you have.

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    Another dodge.

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    ^^ You can not deny the fact that today 25 million people have medical insurance that didn't previously. The GOP intends to yank the rug out from under them.

    That said many people have been tremendously prosperous over the last 8 years. Still problems of course but Obama is leaving the country better off then he got it. To deny that is a fools errand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
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    I imagine most of them can see right through the smoke and mirrors at how Big Gov is spinning the Shillary email scandal to their advantage.

    Fucking hell you dork. It's OVER. Hillary is HISTORY. No one is talking about her anymore. Including Trump.
    You can't deny that people in this incoming administration, From Trump on down, have strong connections to the Russian Government.
    Unless you have your head in the sand.
    Do you Neo?
    Do you have your head in the sand?
    Just don't want to hear what you don't like eh.
    Really cujo..? they're not talking about Hilary..? yes that's the fucking point you thick cnut.

    clinton emails get leaked and it destroys her chances at the polls.. why? because it shows how fucking bent she is, but the media aren't talking about that they are talking about how the ruskies did it to get trump elected.. that is fucking spin, plain and simple

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    Big Gov is spinning the Shillary email scandal to their advantage.
    Got to be one of the stupidest things I have read in sometime.
    jeez snub you do love to play both sides of the argument don't you.. wake up ffs
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
    wise words but the hysterical anti-trumpers fail to see that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ^^ You can not deny the fact that today 25 million people have medical insurance that didn't previously. The GOP intends to yank the rug out from under them.

    That said many people have been tremendously prosperous over the last 8 years. Still problems of course but Obama is leaving the country better off then he got it. To deny that is a fools errand.
    Obamacare was a good thing in principles, but I am afraid this is coming to an end, and the way it is setup, it will not stand for long, because of its poor financial structure

    Trump has a point in wanting to repeal the current version. Sadly, he won't replace it with a better one.

    The burden on small companies is making things worse. What the US needs is a complete overhaul of social protection.

    Obamacare is really a hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    clinton emails get leaked and it destroys her chances at the polls.. why? because it shows how fucking bent she is, but the media aren't talking about that they are talking about how the ruskies did it to get trump elected.. that is fucking spin, plain and simple
    absolutely, they are spinning the whole thing into a complete hysteria. What are they are hoping ? a change of vote by the grand electors ?

    it feels completely manipulated, like it was for Iraq, same techniques, same defense, same retards arguments, same blind followers

    Hillary Lberals today == Bushtards Replicans in 2003

    how the world turns, it's funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Hillary Lberals today == Bushtards Replicans in 2003
    Good god you are a moron. Stick to butt plugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post

    Really cujo..? they're not talking about Hilary..? yes that's the fucking point you thick cnut.

    clinton emails get leaked and it destroys her chances at the polls.. why? because it shows how fucking bent she is, but the media aren't talking about that they are talking about how the ruskies did it to get trump elected.. that is fucking spin, plain and simple
    Trump would have got elected ruskies hack or no, the point you are missing is the fact Trump is in denial about the fact that they did it.
    He simply won't confront the fact that a hostile foreign government interfered in a U.S. election.
    THAT'S the issue now.
    You really do seem to have a lot riding on this Hillary thing.
    No one cares anymore. Things have moved on, there are new and more important issues to deal with that a few emails between members of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    the point you are missing

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    but ask any citizen if they are better off now than eight years ago like the elderly or homeless.
    Oh, haha I missed this gem!

    Is the entire US populace now made up of the elderly and the homeless? Cherry pick much? "Any citizen"? C'mon, at least put some effort in to it ffs...

    The GOP is getting ready to privatise medicare right now, how much do you think that will help the elderly and the homeless?

    Again, I ask you to show your work and the numbers that lead you to your conclusions.


    Won't change anything for the already on Medicare, maybe better quality health care. Maducare is some what of a wreck already, hard to find a doctor who will take new Medicare patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Hillary Lberals today == Bushtards Replicans in 2003
    Good god you are a moron. Stick to butt plugs
    the funny thing is you don't even see it

    You are the equivalent of Boon Mee in 2003 when I used to debate with him for hours on ThaiVisa about Iraq false flags

    same MO, same arguments from Boon then,

    he will be proud if he was here, young padawan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
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    the point you are missing
    Go on, say it. but....but...emails emails emails. and while you're busy worrying about that.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You are the equivalent of Boon Mee in 2003 when I used to debate with him for hours on ThaiVisa about Iraq false flags
    Now there's a clash of intellectual pygmies for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
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    I really don't know. I didn't keep up with who his fund raisers were. Does he owe anybody on the same scale as other Presidents do for fund raising?
    In the general election he raised the money for his campaign the same way that Clinton did, from small and large private donors. So he is indebted to the same degree as every other candidate.
    So instead of the middleman fund raiser getting the cabinet and Ambassador positions the rich, elitist donors themselves are getting the jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Obamacare was a good thing in principles, but I am afraid this is coming to an end
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    ^^ You can not deny the fact that today 25 million people have medical insurance that didn't previously. The GOP intends to yank the rug out from under them.
    My insurance premium is going up from $176 a month in 2016 to $410 a month in 2017.

    There is only one plan being offered in the county I live in, meaning this company (Centene Corp.) has an absolute monopoly and essentially can charge anything they want. Last year, we had eight companies in our county offering multiple plans. This year, one. I am a business owner, and am therefore without any other options. Access to work based plans is what is saving a lot of people.

    This increased cost in premiums of well over 100% is for absolute garbage insurance by the way, insurance way worse than the insurance I had this year. A $16,000 deductible before it will pay a penny for anything. Meaning unless I get cancer or something I may as well be flushing over $400 a month down the shitter for all the good it will do me.

    $820 for me and my wife per month, both in our mid-30's for garbage insurance that we are forced by the government to pay some private, soulless corporation.

    If you don't think this story means Obamacare is failing, you're dreaming.
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    ^ Not sure what is going on in your state but there are tons of plans here in Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ^ Not sure what is going on in your state but there are tons of plans here in Washington.
    So are you suggesting he move to Washington?

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    ^ Jeezus another stupid question. You tedious nitwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ^ Jeezus another stupid question. You tedious nitwit.
    What other reason would you have for bragging on Washington insurance choices?

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