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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    I do have contempt for those who put on the garments of Christians,for what ever reason,and in doing so tarnish the reputation of true Christians thus giving the opportunity for you and many other non believers to attack both true believers and those who only put up a front.
    So we're in agreement then, you also find the Christian / Evangelical support of Trump to be hypocrisy of the highest order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you have completely lost your common sense with that Trump thing, you need to stop being fooking gay about it

    Trump is so far one of the best POTUS we ever had, and that's why they all want to take him down

    like they did with Clinton,
    Agree, this should get me another red sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    So we're in agreement then, you also find the Christian / Evangelical support of Trump to be hypocrisy of the highest order?

    Not all together, to support any of the Democratic Presidential wannabes would be highly hypocritical,abortion,chasing Christians out of business for standing by their Christian beliefs,and I could go on,are much more offensive than Trump’s personal life. What Trump has to answer to God for is nothing to me,God will sort all of that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    much more offensive than Trump’s personal life
    Much more offensive than a narcissistic serial liar who cheats on his pregnant third wife with a porn star and then bribes her to try to keep it quiet?

    And let's not forget he was for abortion before it became a political expediency for him to be against it.

    Hardly making the strongest case that 'Christians' aren't hypocrites who shelve their own 'values' when it suits them, Repeater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Much more offensive than a narcissistic serial liar who cheats on his pregnant third wife with a porn star and then bribes her to try to keep it quiet?

    And let's not forget he was for abortion before it became a political expediency for him to be against it.

    Hardly making the strongest case that 'Christians' aren't hypocrites who shelve their own 'values' when it suits them, Repeater.

    Your reading skills are somewhat lacking or you simply ignored what I said about God dealing with Trump concerning his personal life. But,that be as it may Trump may have been for abortion before he was against it,and I will just take your word for that, but he is introducing judges to the highest courts that will probably align against abortion on demand if it were to come up again. I believe exactly the opposite is true about Christians shelving their values,as electing people who support abortion would be an extreme example of Christians shelving their values. If you intend on trying to turn what I say against me you need to up your game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Your reading skills are somewhat lacking or you simply ignored what I said about God dealing with Trump concerning his personal life
    No I saw it, I just thought it was another weak-ass cop out: 'let's forgo our own principles and side with this clearly crappy human being who is the antithesis of what we claim to believe in 'cos it'll get us what we want and god will take care of the bill when it comes due later...'

    A deal with the devil is still a deal with the devil. Yet more hypocrisy innit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    I will just take your word for tha
    You really don't need to take my word it's a matter of public record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    No I saw it, I just thought it was another weak-ass cop out: 'let's forgo our own principles and side with this clearly crappy human being who is the antithesis of what we claim to believe in 'cos it'll get us what we want and god will take care of the bill when it comes due later...'

    A deal with the devil is still a deal with the devil. Yet more hypocrisy innit.



    You really don't need to take my word it's a matter of public record.
    I guess you thought wrong as I said before it is not my business what Trump does or has done in his personal life no more than it would be if anyone else were involved in these type of things.

    As as I said previously the deal with the devil would be supporting any of the democratic presidential wannabes who would throw many things Christians value to the curb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    it is not my business what Trump does or has done in his personal life no more than it would be if anyone else were involved in these type of things.
    Goodo, if you're comfortable supporting a pathologically lying narcissistic who cheats on his wife with porn stars and is the antithesis of the principles you claim to believe and live your life by then that's on you and your conscience.

    Can't imagine it will go down to well with that god of yours though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Goodo, if you're comfortable supporting a pathologically lying narcissistic who cheats on his wife with porn stars and is the antithesis of the principles you claim to believe and live your life by then that's on you and your conscience.

    Can't imagine it will go down to well with that god of yours though.
    Yep, repeater's fucked.
    He's going to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Why am I not surprised.
    Distract and deflect.

    more

    https://yahoo.com/news/state-departm...c_src=yahooapp
    Next:

    BENGHAZI!!!!

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    Why impeachment only?

    Republican Presidential challenger Bill Weld claims Donald Trump should face the 'death penalty' for 'treason' over impeachment controversy

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-claims.html

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    'Ole Bill might be reaching a bit there.

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    So my question is, if Giuliani is legally obliged to testify but refuses (regardless the reason, I.E. Trump says no ) can/will they send in a sherriff and deputies to slam him over the desk,cuff him and march him off to the cells for contempt.?

    President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said Sunday he would cooperate the House impeachment inquiry, but only if directed by his client.

    Trump, according to a memo of his July 25 phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and an anonymous whistleblower complaint, repeatedly pressed Ukrainian officials to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, and noted that Giuliani would be in contact with Ukraine on the probe.

    "Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy," Trump told Zelensky. "I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General [William] Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it."

    The investigation was based on a dubious claim that, as vice president in 2016, Biden pushed Ukraine’s government to oust a prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company that had Hunter Biden on its board starting in 2014, where he received a monthly salary of $50,000.

    While Joe Biden did call for the prosecutor’s removal, he was one of many international leaders who did so in response to concerns about corruption, a fact that undercuts Giuliani’s claim that Biden acted in his son’s interests. The investigation into Burisma had been closed prior to the vice president calling for the prosecutor’s ouster, Bloomberg News reported. In fact, in late 2014, the Obama administration pressed the Ukrainians to assist the U.K. in a separate investigation into Burisma’s owner.

    Yet, despite the lack of evidence, Giuliani began pressing the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens' role in the prosecutor’s firing earlier this year and has maintained his argument that there was wrongdoing on behalf of the Bidens.
    https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-says...201452352.html
    If we stop testing right now wed have very few cases, if any. Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    So my question is, if Giuliani is legally obliged to testify but refuses (regardless the reason, I.E. Trump says no ) can/will they send in a sherriff and deputies to slam him over the desk,cuff him and march him off to the cells for contempt.?
    My understanding is that Giuliani might claim lawyer/client confidentiality. I think that doesn't apply when the client/lawyer were committing a crime.

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    Trump allies pushed Biden-Ukraine allegations at key moments in campaign timeline


    As Joe Biden prepared to launch his 2020 presidential bid last April, members of President Donald Trump’s inner circle began publicly pushing unsubstantiated allegations about the former vice president and Ukraine.The president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and Brad Parscale, his 2020 campaign manager, both blasted out links to articles on Twitter within days of each other in early April that painted Biden and his son Hunter as unethical, based on unproven charges stemming from Hunter Biden's work in Ukraine.

    Those first mentions, distributed to their combined millions of social media followers, coincided with a spring effort by the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to find damaging information on Biden and preceded, by a matter of days, Trump’s first phone call on April 21 with then Ukrainian President-Elect Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
    Four days later, Biden announced his run for office.

    The trickle of tweets soon became a steady stream. Over the next four months, Giuliani, Trump Jr., and other top surrogates lobbed accusations at both Bidens at least a dozen times.

    By late July, when Trump placed a second call to the Ukrainian leader explicitly asking him to investigate the unfounded claims, the president’s campaign and official super PAC — as well as the Republican National Committee and its chairwoman — had all amplified messages with unverified information about the Bidens and the Eastern European country.

    Revelations about Trump’s July call with Zelenskiy in recent days put the early aspersions cast on the Bidens by those eager to re-elect Trump in a new light. A whistleblower complaint also alleges that Giuliani, Attorney General William Barr and others may have assisted with or tried to conceal the president’s attempt to get the Ukrainian government to interfere in the 2020 election by investigating the Bidens.

    And Giuliani’s contact with Ukrainian officials and efforts to get them to investigate unproven claims of misconduct by the Biden family — an endeavor he’s said was at the direction of the president and coordinated with the State Department — are now at the center of an impeachment inquiry in the House.

    The amplification by Trump’s political allies of the unsubstantiated Biden accusations also suggest any presidential request for an investigation into the former vice president or his family could be a political endeavor, not one aimed at rooting out corruption in Ukraine, as Trump has said.

    Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh said it makes complete sense that the president’s political aides would focus on the background of a potential 2020 opponent.

    “Hunter Biden’s sweetheart business deals in Ukraine and China are directly linked with his father’s time as vice president and everyone knows it,” Murtaugh said. “We have been talking about this for months. It would be campaign malpractice not to bring this to the attention of voters.”

    It’s not the first time that those closest to Trump have shown an openness to political help from foreign actors or dropped clues about significant developments and teased major political implications to come. In 2016, Trump Jr. convened a meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer claiming to have damaging information about then-Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

    Months later, Giuliani hinted that the campaign had a “couple of surprises” left, just days before unfavorable revelations about Clinton’s email investigation became public.

    Giuliani, an outspoken advocate for the president, has a history of flaunting sensitive information, and the allegations about the Bidens and Ukraine this year were no different, according to two former White House officials.
    “He talks to everybody about it,” one official said, including urging campaign officials, outside surrogates and donors to push the controversial narrative.

    This summer, the Trump campaign’s main account and even the official Republican National Committee account started tweeting about the Bidens and Ukraine, raising questions about how widespread the tactic extended beyond the Trump White House.

    The president has argued his conversations with Zelenskiy were intended to eliminate corruption, but a review of Trump’s top surrogates shows a much more targeted approach when it comes to spreading harmful stories that could ultimately hurt his political opponent heading into 2020.

    In early May, the official Trump-backed Super PAC posted a Tweet linking to a story with the following headline: “HUNTER BIDEN’S WORK IN UKRAINE EMERGES AS A POTENTIAL 2020 SCANDAL.”
    In June, about a month before the president’s second call with Zelenskiy, Trump’s campaign tweeted an imaginary executive order “preventing Joe Biden from steering sweetheart foreign deals to family.” It even included a directive to sign up for campaign text alerts.

    Trump Jr. sent at least five tweets between April and August dealing with Hunter Biden’s business arrangements in Ukraine, often linking to stories with damning banners, including: “Eight Things to Know About the Biden Family's Culture of Corruption”

    On June 20, GOP chairwoman Ronna McDaniel tweeted: “Weeks after Joe Biden traveled to China and Ukraine as VP, his son cashed in on millions of dollars in foreign money. Even Democrats are calling it a “huge” conflict of interest. Biden needs to come clean about abusing his role as America’s top diplomat.”

    Even the president retweeted several messages on Biden and Ukraine earlier this year, including one by former Gov. Mike Huckabee calling out “Biden’s cushy deals w/ Ukraine and China,” ending simply with “#Enough.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...eline-n1060106

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    It's the world we live in. Anyone can send out a torrent of shit on the internet, and some of it will stick.

    Those it stuck with will rarely check its veracity or even look for corrections.

    But they're not likely to vote Democrat anyway, they're as thick as shit, so it doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Goodo, if you're comfortable supporting a pathologically lying narcissistic who cheats on his wife with porn stars and is the antithesis of the principles you claim to believe and live your life by then that's on you and your conscience.

    Can't imagine it will go down to well with that god of yours though.
    You really are quite boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You really are quite boring.
    What another scintillating post! Fook me running, the only reason I read this thread is to see what witty post you'll make next!

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    the question the trump administration won't answer:

    with the tools and resources of every federal agency at his disposal (including his state department), why did trump send his private attorney to ukraine to investigate corruption and US federal funding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    with the tools and resources of every federal agency at his disposal (including his state department), why did trump send his private attorney to ukraine to investigate corruption and US federal funding?
    If I'm not mistaken Sherlock Giuliani was asked this question. He said they were told but didn't take any action and that's why he kept diggin' away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    If I'm not mistaken Sherlock Giuliani was asked this question. He said they were told but didn't take any action and that's why he kept diggin' away.
    Giuliani is claiming that everything he did was under instruction from the State Department.

    Now we all know that's bollocks.

    So he's either got to produce evidence or they have to fake some.

    It's SHARPIE TIME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You really are quite boring.
    That's a very dull way of getting out of refuting a clear point.

    Baldy orange cunto is a lying narcissist who cheats on his wife with porn stars, pays them off illegally to shut up, and probably couldn't name all 10 commandments let alone adhere to any of them.

    And you say that's boring. Is that because you don't like hearing it or because you think it's OK to have those qualities and be President of the USA as long as you pretend to be conservative?

    Yeah, OK.

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    It’s hard to understand someone who says Donald Trump’s private life is none of their business and that god will sort it out yet want to legislate against abortion, homosexuality, etc. Let god sort the gays and abortionists. Keep your nose out of other peoples business and don’t be a hypocrite.

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    Trump attacks whistleblower and Schiff, tweets impeachment would cause 'Civil War-like fracture'

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...l-war-n1060191

    Just when you think the man can go farther off the rails, he comes out with this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    You really are quite boring.
    Haters be hating and hypocrites be hypocriting, Repeater.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    It’s hard to understand someone who says Donald Trump’s private life is none of their business and that god will sort it out yet want to legislate against abortion, homosexuality, etc. Let god sort the gays and abortionists. Keep your nose out of other peoples business and don’t be a hypocrite.
    Nail. Head.

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