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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    posting former secs of state and omitting Powell and Rice?
    good point. apparenty Condoshill didn't make it to the party. but yes I'm focusing on SecsState.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    posting former secs of state and omitting Powell and Rice?
    good point. apparenty Condoshill didn't make it to the party. but yes I'm focusing on SecsState.
    The reason being.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The reason being.....?
    Maybe you'll find a clue here:

    Henry Kissinger’s War Crimes Are Central to the Divide Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
    https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/...ernie-sanders/

    or here:



    or here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin
    Maybe you'll find a clue here:
    You know that there are many, many fake news sites out there. It's one of the reasons Trump won. How could a secretary of state commit war crimes? He might recommend something not cool, but he doesn't give the orders, does he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan
    How could a secretary of state commit war crimes? He might recommend something not cool, but he doesn't give the orders, does he?
    So this(below) is all complete bullshit?

    (from the Intercept link above)

    But Kissinger is reviled by many left-leaning observers of foreign policy. They consider him an amoral egotist who enabled dictators, extended the Vietnam War, laid the path to the Khmer Rouge killing fields, stage-managed a genocide in East Timor, overthrew the democratically elected left-wing government in Chile, and encouraged Nixon to wiretap his political adversaries.
    Bernie Sanders quote from that article:

    I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissinger’s actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some 3 million innocent people, one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.

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    I reckon this appointment is a payoff.
    Appointment of 'white nationalist' Steve Bannon must be reversed, critics declare
    Progressive advocates and some politicians say selection of top adviser shows Trump ‘intends to carry racism and antisemitism straight to the White House’

    Donald Trump was facing angry demands on Monday to reverse his appointment of a man accused of fanning the flames of neo-Nazism and white supremacy as his White House chief strategist.

    The selection of Stephen Bannon, the executive chairman of the far-right website Breitbart News and the CEO of Trump’s presidential campaign, deepened the fears of liberal activists that the Trump administration would embolden and enable antisemites, racists and misogynists.

    The president-elect also named Reince Priebus, a more mainstream Republican figure, as chief of staff, setting up the prospect of an internal power struggle between Priebus and Bannon.


    Condemnation of Trump’s decision was swift and widespread. US House minority leader Nancy Pelosi said of Bannon’s appointment: “There must be no sugarcoating the reality that a white nationalist has been named chief strategist for the Trump administration.”

    Michael Keegan, president of the progressive pressure group People for the American Way, said: “By choosing Steve Bannon as chief strategist, Trump has made clear that he intends to carry the racism and antisemitism of his campaign straight into the White House. The website Bannon ran is a home for the white nationalist right that elevates racist, xenophobic, antisemitic tirades and conspiracy theories.”

    Keegan called on the Republican party to denounce the move. “Congressional Republicans need to stand up and call out Trump for choosing Bannon as a senior adviser and ‘equal partner’ to Trump’s chief of staff. This isn’t about partisan politics; no one with Bannon’s record should be anywhere near the White House.”

    Bannon, 62, a former naval officer and Goldman Sachs banker, will have Trump’s ear as his chief strategist and senior counsellor, it was announced on Sunday. In August he was appointed chief executive of the Trump campaign, and he was the mastermind of a stunt at the second presidential debate in which Trump held a press conference with three women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault.

    Bannon also encouraged Trump to paint rival Hillary Clinton as part of a global conspiracy made up of the political, financial and media elite, a message that many felt carried antisemitic overtones.


    Most notoriously, he is executive chairman of Breitbart News, an online linchpin of the so-called “alt-right” movement, associated with efforts to preserve “white identity”, defend “western values” and oppose multiculturalism. Its headlines have included Would You Rather Your Child had Feminism or Cancer?, Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy and There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck at Interviews.

    One headline described conservative commentator Bill Kristol as a “Republican spoiler, renegade Jew”. Another referred to Democratic congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was shot in the head during a massacre five years ago, as “the gun control movement’s human shield”.


    Democrats were appalled by the choice of Bannon, linking him to the Ku Klux Klan. Adam Jentleson, a spokesman for Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, said: “It is easy to see why the KKK views Trump as their champion when Trump appoints one of the foremost peddlers of White Supremacist themes and rhetoric as his top aide.”

    Congressman Adam Schiff said Bannon’s selection was unsurprising but disturbing. “His alt-right, anti-Semitic & misogynistic views don’t belong in WH,” Schiff said on Twitter.

    Jon Lovett, a former speechwriter for Barack Obama, tweeted: “My stomach dropped when I saw the Bannon news, but not because I was surprised. It’s just our worst fears in the grim wide open ... With a white nationalist senior advisor, Trump is not just ignoring the impact of his rhetoric – he is actively terrifying the country.”

    Activists accused Trump of bringing fringe hatred into the mainstream. The Southern Poverty Law Center, an anti-hate speech watchdog, wrote in an open letter: “Bannon presided over a news empire where he, according to former staffers, ‘aggressively pushed stories against immigrants, and supported linking minorities to terrorism and crime’.

    It added: “Under Bannon, Breitbart published a call to ‘hoist [the Confederate flag] high and fly it with pride’ only two weeks after the Charleston massacre when the country was still reeling from the horrors of the murders. Under Bannon, Breitbart published an extremist anti-Muslim tract where the author wrote that ‘rape culture’ is ‘integral’ to Islam. Worse perhaps, Bannon personally insinuated that African Americans are ‘naturally aggressive and violent’.

    “Mr Trump, during your victory speech, you pledged to be a president for ‘all Americans’ and to ‘bind the wounds of division’ in our country. If you mean what you say, you must rescind your appointment of Bannon.”

    Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said: “The appointment of Stephen Bannon as a top Trump administration strategist sends the disturbing message that anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and White nationalist ideology will be welcome in the White House. We urge President-elect Trump to reconsider this ill-advised appointment if he truly seeks to unite Americans.”


    Republicans have sought to accommodate Trump after his hostile takeover of the party – former presidents George HW Bush and George W Bush called to offer congratulations – but some were fiercely critical of the Bannon appointment. Breitbart News was staunchly pro-Trump and hammered Republican leaders.

    John Weaver, a party strategist who worked for Ohio governor John Kasich’s presidential campaign, tweeted: “The racist, fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the Oval Office. Be very vigilant, America.”

    Bannon’s personal conduct has also been under scrutiny. He was charged in 1996 with misdemeanor witness intimidation, and domestic violence with traumatic injury and battery. The charges were dropped after his wife, Mary Louise Piccard, did not show up at trial.

    In a sworn court declaration following their divorce in 2007, Piccard said Bannon had objected to sending their twin daughters to an elite Los Angeles academy because he “didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews”. Bannon has denied saying this.

    Neil Sroka, communications director of the liberal group Democracy for America, said that giving Bannon a senior role in his White House “should disabuse everyone of the notion that Donald Trump is going to govern any differently than the bigoted, hate-fueled, and divisive campaign he ran for president.


    “Bannon is a disgusting, white ethno-nationalist propagandist and the mere idea that he’ll be whispering in the ear of someone who will call himself our commander-in-chief is a stain on the presidency.”

    Neither Priebus nor Bannon has any policy experience. Although Priebus was given the senior job as a reassurance to mainstream Republicans, Bannon’s post is expected to wield significant influence, similar to that of Karl Rove during George W Bush’s administration.

    In announcing the appointments, Trump mentioned Bannon first: “Steve and Reince are highly qualified leaders who worked well together on our campaign and led us to a historic victory,” he said, describing them as “equal partners”.


    Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, told reporters at Trump Tower in New York on Monday: “I’ve worked closely with both of them. I think it’s a great team. And I’ll continue to work closely with both of them in some capacity to be decided. They complement each other. They both have the most important thing: the ear of the boss.”

    Asked about Bannon’s record at Breitbart, Conway replued: “I worked very closely with Steve Bannon. He’s been the general of this campaign. And frankly, people should look at the full résumé. He has got a Harvard business degree. He’s a naval officer. He has success in entertainment. I don’t know if you’re aware of that. And he certainly was a Goldman Sachs managing partner. Brilliant tactician.”

    On Capitol Hill, House majority leader Kevin McCarthy defended the appointment of Bannon, saying the president-elect always gets to pick his team. The California Republican said: “I do not know Steve Bannon ... I’ve always believed in giving someone a chance. I don’t like to prejudge people.”

    He asked reporters if they should be held responsible for what was published by their outlets: “Are we putting everything that was on Breitbart under him?”

    Priebus himself also defended the anti-establishment media executive, saying the two made an effective duo as they helped Trump pull off last week’s stunning victory over Clinton. “Together, we’ve been able to manage a lot of the decision making in regard to the campaign,” Priebus told NBC’s Today. “It’s worked very, very well.”

    He sought to distance Bannon from the incendiary headlines on his website, saying they were written by others.

    Priebus, chair of the Republican National Committee, threw in his lot with Trump, even as other Republicans turned against him, a gamble that has paid off. He is part of the Washington establishment that Trump pledged to challenge, which could lead to tensions with Bannon.

    Breitbart News was supportive of Trump and a sworn foe of House speaker Paul Ryan, who has close ties to Priebus, also from Wisconsin. Trump has long encouraged internal rivalries in business and copied the strategy in his a presidential campaign that used three different managers, sowing the seeds of factional struggles.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...se-racism-fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin
    So this is all complete bullshit?
    I know about the Vietnam war stuff. It wasn't him that extended the war, it was the commies. America had been looking for a "peace with honor" for years of negotiations in Paris.

    Laid the path to the "Killing Fields"? Only a complete and utter 'tard would believe such nonsense. What does Khymer Rouge mean in English? Vietnam went through the same thing after the war as did Cambodia and Laos, if I'm not mistaken.

    So additionally, Kissinger did all this things....who said it was OK to do them? On even CIA operations there's congressional oversight and the president must have approved them, so it's not like the guy was operating as a lone wolf.

    This is what an education does, it allows us to read utter nonsense and make a fairly accurate judgement as to it's validity.

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    jesus wept...

    The Kissinger Presidency | Vanity Fair

    Battered by Watergate in 1973, President Nixon was losing his epic power struggle with Henry Kissinger. Then the Middle East exploded. In an excerpt from his new book, using freshly opened archives, the author describes how the secretary of state took control.

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    What author, what are the author's political leanings, did you read the book and get the quotes in context or are you just quoting shit that a magazine repeated?

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    Repeating shit he reads without considering its purpose or veracity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan
    It wasn't him that extended the war, it was the commies.
    Did the commies gin up the whole Gulf of Tonkin debacle? How about My Lai? Did you ever hear of Colin Powell's role in the My Lai whitewash?

    Fuck it...no links this time. Since I don't know their purpose or veracity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    You're too dumb to realise that Obama did an excellent job of damage limitation.
    Indeed he is. The reality is that these thick right wing types never seem to grasp is that Obama lowered the deficit. The debt went up mainly because of the Bush era tax cuts and the two wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Now is not the time to give even more tax cuts to the rich.
    It will be a epic disaster and the debt will explode. A return to failed economic policy is just what the country doesn't need. Trickle down economics.
    You guys are funny. If you knew me you would know that I am far from a "thick right wing type". I have always leaned towards the left on most topics. Bush presidency was a total train wreck and so was 8 years of Obama.

    How good of a job did he do if the people voted in Donald Trump ffs?

    I am at a point in my life where I don't really care who wins as it doesn't make one bit of difference. Who the fuck would take time out of their lives to go stand on a street corner with a sign supporting any of these people?

    Who would go out of their way to defend any of these people? All we have is bad choices but people still choose and pick a side just like they always have.

    You are supporting the illusion of choice. I choose not to participate in the illusion.
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    ^ the man talks sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbobs View Post
    ^ the man talks sense
    This man makes even more sense.


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    Classic.

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    Trump Reportedly Appeared Not to Understand Scope of Presidency During Obama Meeting

    A pending disaster...



    Donald Trump didn’t plan for his presidential transition because he didn’t want to jinx himself and he and his aides might not have quite understood how big a task taking over the executive branch and running the country would be, according to anonymous sources quoted in the Wall Street Journal on Sunday.

    The Journal noted that the announcement of Trump’s transition team was delayed by the removal of Chris Christie as head of that team. A senior aide to Trump also told the Journal that his top advisers were surprised by the win, which was another contributing factor to a slightly slower than normal transition.

    From the Journal:
    [b]efore Tuesday, [his top advisors] were unable to focus the New York businessman on the 73 days between the election and inauguration, a senior aide said. They said Mr. Trump didn’t want to jinx himself by planning the transition before he had actually won.
    This delay has also been reportedly exacerbated by the fact that Trump and his team were unaware of the scope of the job of taking over the White House and even running the country, sources told the Journal.

    From the paper:
    During their private White House meeting on Thursday, Mr. Obama walked his successor through the duties of running the country, and Mr. Trump seemed surprised by the scope, said people familiar with the meeting. Trump aides were described by those people as unaware that the entire presidential staff working in the West Wing had to be replaced at the end of Mr. Obama’s term.
    After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.
    President-elect Trump named Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus as his chief of staff on Sunday and Stephen Bannon as his chief strategist and senior counsel. Vice President–elect Mike Pence replaced Christie last week as head of the transition team.


    Trump reportedly appeared not to understand scope of presidency during Obama meeting.

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    ^I read that his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, actually asked in a meeting 'how many of the existing white house staff stay on'. The answer is zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^I read that his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, actually asked in a meeting 'how many of the existing white house staff stay on'. The answer is zero.
    He has 1000's of positions to fill in a couple of months. He is in over his head for sure.

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    On the good news front. Ben Carson has declined offers to take the position of education secretary in Trump's administration because he is too stupid to grasp the complexity of the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beazalbob69
    He has 1000's of positions to fill in a couple of months. He is in over his head for sure.
    Are you American beazalbob? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by beazalbob69
    He has 1000's of positions to fill in a couple of months. He is in over his head for sure.
    Are you American beazalbob? Just curious.
    Yes. Born and raised in New England.

    What about you? I don't follow TD or it's members too closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Welcome to the conservative side of reality folks
    Idiocracy. The rise of the stupid.
    What ever you call it you have to live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beazalbob69
    Yes. Born and raised in New England.
    What about you? I don't follow TD or it's members too closely.
    Born in Wisconsin but grew up in So Cal, worked in Mpls, Chicago, SF, Cincy and Atlanta.

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    This is the guy who accused Clinton of pay for play.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Business Ties to Enemies of the United States Disqualify Him for Secretary of State

    Donald Trump may be on the brink of appointing former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State. It’s a shocking development—and would make a man with a long history of business ties to America’s enemies our nation’s top diplomat. For years, Giuliani has done business with terrorist groups, state sponsors of terrorism and enemies of the United States. Giuliani was paid by a Marxist Iranian terrorist group—which helped murder American citizens in the 1970s and launch an attack on U.S. soil in 1992—to advocate on its behalf. His former law firm’s clients have included Saddam Hussein, terrorist Abu Nidal, and a company linked to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s chemical program. His consulting firm even lobbied on behalf of an oil company controlled by Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

    In addition, Giuliani has little foreign policy knowledge and almost zero formal diplomatic experience. Instead of fighting for American interests, he’s spent the past fifteen years making money off deadly dictators and sworn enemies of this country. Giuliani is the last person we want taking on America’s enemies on the world stage and protecting our country.

    Long History of Business Ties to Enemies of America

    Giuliani was paid by a Marxist Iranian opposition group, MEK, to advocate on its behalf while it was designated as a terrorist organization by the State Department. “Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani is reported to be in contention to be Donald Trump’s attorney general or secretary of state. Senators who will be considering his confirmation may want to examine the fact that Giuliani took money to advocate on behalf of an Iranian dissident group while it was listed by the State Department as a foreign terrorist organization, potentially breaking the law. For years, Giuliani has been one of the most prominent American officials to advocate on behalf of the Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK), a Marxist Iranian opposition group that claims to be the legitimate government of Iran and resembles a cult. A Treasury Department investigation in 2012 examined whether speaking fees paid by several MEK front groups to a long list of U.S. politicians, including Giuliani, violated laws on Americans receiving money from designated terrorist organizations.” [Washington Post, 11/15/16]

    ◦MEK was involved in the killing of U.S. citizens in Iran in the 1970s and an attack on U.S. soil in 1992. “The State Department added the MEK to the list of foreign terrorist organizations in 1997 due to its involvement in the killing of U.S. citizens in Iran in the 1970s and an attack on U.S. soil in 1992. The group, which has about 3,000 members living in exile in Iraq, has not conducted a confirmed act of terrorism in more than a decade. In the aftermath of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the United States mostly disarmed the MEK and provided its members with protection at their Iraqi base, Camp Ashraf.” [Washington Post, 11/15/16]

    Giuliani worked for a law firm whose clients included Saddam Hussein, terrorist Abu Nidal, a Saudi bank linked to drug cartels, and an Italian company that provided “expertise” for Gaddifi’s chemical weapon program. “But according to Giuliani critics, Noriega is not the only skeleton in the former mayor’s closet. As Wayne Barrett wrote in his book Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11: ‘The law firms [Giuliani] would up working at did business with multiple institutions that had ties to terrorist activities. The firm he joined in 1989 – White & Case – became a campaign issue in part because of its representation of the Saudi-based Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) a veritable life force for drug cartels, despots like Saddam Hussein, and even the most notorious terrorist of the time, Abu Nidal… Giuliani personally represented the Milan-based Montedison, which was accused in Italian press reports of providing ‘chemicals and expertise’ to a poison-gas plant in Libya.’” [Huffington Post, 3/28/08]

    Giuliani’s law form lobbied on behalf of an oil company controlled by Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez. “Rudolph W. Giuliani’s law firm has lobbied for years on behalf of an oil company controlled by the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, a strident critic of President Bush and American-style capitalism. Bracewell & Giuliani, the firm based in Houston that Mr. Giuliani joined as a name partner two years ago, handles lobbying in the Texas capital for the Citgo Petroleum Corporation of Houston. Citgo is the American subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, the state-owned oil company that Mr. Chávez controls. Mr. Giuliani’s duties at his law firm do not include lobbying. But the financial relationship with a company affiliated with one of the most outspoken critics of the United States potentially exposes Mr. Giuliani to new scrutiny as he campaigns to become the Republican nominee for president in 2008.” [New York Times, 3/15/07]

    Giuliani was a consultant for a Serbian nationalistic party that opposed European Union membership and condemned U.S. involvement in the Balkans. “Mr. Giuliani, who ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and now works as a consultant, also met with Tomislav Nikolic, the party’s candidate for president, in what is expected to be a close race against the pro-Western incumbent, Boris Tadic, of the Democrat Party. Messrs. Vucic and Nikolic used to be prominent members of a staunchly nationalistic party that opposed European Union membership and condemned U.S. involvement in the Balkans. They left in 2008 and launched the Progressive Party, which says it supports Serbia’s eventual membership in the EU. Opponents of the Progressives said the two men appeared to be trying to polish their image and win votes by associating themselves with Mr. Giuliani, who won global recognition for his leadership of New York after the September 11 attacks. A spokesman for the party dismissed the complaints as untrue. For his part, Mr. Giuliani said his visit had no political agenda. ‘I’m here because I’ve been asked to give them advice,’ he said. ‘I’m not endorsing anyone.’ The U.S. Embassy issued a statement to Serbian media saying that Mr. Giuliani’s visit didn’t indicate official U.S. support for any candidate or party.” [Wall Street Journal, 4/20/12]

    Giuliani campaigned for Peruvian rightist Keiko Fujimori, the daughter of the disgraced former president Alberto Fujimori, who is still serving a twenty-five-year sentence for human rights abuses. “Undeterred, Giuliani moved on from private equity to running for president, hoping to capitalize on his brilliant success in business. But his campaign was a dismal failure. In the years since, he has desperately been searching for clients overseas. In 2011, he went to Peru to campaign for rightist Keiko Fujimori, the daughter of the disgraced former president Alberto Fujimori, who is still serving a twenty-five-year sentence for human rights abuses. As reported by CNN, ‘she praised Giuliani’s tough stance on crime and his track record turning around New York City, signaling that Giuliani would be her security adviser.’ She lost, dismally. Around the same time, he was advising Mexico City’s police department and speaking in Brazil to law enforcement agencies about his ‘zero tolerance’ crime policies.” [The Nation, 2/25/15....

    Rudy Giuliani?s Business Ties to Enemies of the United States Disqualify Him for Secretary of State ? Correct The Record
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