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    During the town hall last knight when asked for a position on QAnon he said "I know nothing about QAnon"
    If I was the moderator I would have followed up with : as president of the USA don't you think that by now you should know about QAnon?
    Then later on when he said that all he knew about QAnon is "That they are against pedophilia" I would have followed up with " when asked about QAnon before you said "I know nothing about QAnon " now you say you know something about QAnon , which one is it? you know of them or you dint know of them?
    This asshole knows who his customers would be when he loses the election , and I can see where this is going win or lose.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What's sad is that the framers of the constitution thought people in power could be trusted, so didn't bother putting in protections against abuse.

    We now see how utterly fucked deluded they were.
    If someone told me this could happen prior to 2016 I would have said they were crazy. I had confidence in the collective wisdom of the American people not to allow it. During the 2016 primaries I said that "trump did not have a snowman's chance in hell" . My exact quote. When he got the Republican nomination, my thinking was "the republicans were screwed"
    If I could not see it coming four years ago, how could they hundreds of years ago?
    IMO regardless of the outcome of this election , as a country we are screwed!! There was a show after the town halls last night interviewing undecided voters. UNDECIDED VOTERS!!, who can be undecided after four years of this?
    For me , unless trump looses in a landslide proving that he was an aberration and that the overwhelming majority of us rejected such behaviour I would never look at my fellow Americans , the same way again.

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    Good read ...

    "The depths of his (referring to Trump) dishonesty is just astounding to me.
    The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else.
    He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,
    " Kelly has told friends, the outlet reported.


    Kelly left the White House in January 2019. "
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    If someone told me this could happen prior to 2016 I would have said they were crazy. I had confidence in the collective wisdom of the American people not to allow it. During the 2016 primaries I said that "trump did not have a snowman's chance in hell" . My exact quote. When he got the Republican nomination, my thinking was "the republicans were screwed"
    If I could not see it coming four years ago, how could they hundreds of years ago?
    IMO regardless of the outcome of this election , as a country we are screwed!! There was a show after the town halls last night interviewing undecided voters. UNDECIDED VOTERS!!, who can be undecided after four years of this?
    For me , unless trump looses in a landslide proving that he was an aberration and that the overwhelming majority of us rejected such behaviour I would never look at my fellow Americans , the same way again.
    This guy saw it coming 100 years ago.

    "The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

    The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron
    ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    For me , unless trump looses in a landslide proving that he was an aberration and that the overwhelming majority of us rejected such behaviour I would never look at my fellow Americans , the same way again.
    i agree completely.

    i posted something similar a few months ago, but from an international perspective...

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    IMO the only chance we have of regaining a fraction of the standing we once had in the world would be a significant electoral (400+) and popular (7,000,000+) vote landslide. 2016 has to be shown to be an aberration.


    if it's a close electoral win for biden, the rest of the world will rightly not trust us because who knows what's going to happen in 2024 (there are now rumblings for tom cotton and tucker carlson FFS) ......and if god forbid trump wins again, it will be the final nail in the coffin.


    every four years pols and pundits say this is the most important election in decades....but this time it really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    2024
    The US will be a very different demographical place then. Firstly the Dems are likely to pick up more senate seats in 2022, over the next 4 years the evangelical base will continue to shrink as they die off and are not replaced, the Latino voting block will get bigger, and finally red states like Texas and Georgia will continue to gentrify and turn blue. This election marks a turning point for the GOP, and they know it. They really lucked out with the Supreme court appointments because they will not have that opportunity ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    The US will be a very different demographical place then. Firstly the Dems are likely to pick up more senate seats in 2022, over the next 4 years the evangelical base will continue to shrink as they die off and are not replaced, the Latino voting block will get bigger, and finally red states like Texas and Georgia will continue to gentrify and turn blue. This election marks a turning point for the GOP, and they know it. They really lucked out with the Supreme court appointments because they will not have that opportunity ever again.
    That Supreme Court will, however, be a major obstacle to restoring voter equality.

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    ^^
    good points there, snub.

    but don't count on all hispanics voting dem in 2024....catholic roots run deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That Supreme Court will, however, be a major obstacle to restoring voter equality.
    That is why we need to win, so then we can stack the court and make PR and WDC states.

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    but don't count on all hispanics voting dem in 2024....catholic roots run deep.
    Ya this is true but the other demographic factors will overwhelm them.

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    HAHAHAHAHA Poor Matt Gaetz has spent four years with his tongue firmly shoved up baldy orange cunto's arsehole, and all Baldy can do is keep calling him "RICK GATES". ***




    *** Yes, a convicted criminal.

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    Friend of mine posted this om FB,<br>

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    The legal reckoning awaiting Donald Trump if he loses the election

    New York (CNN)If things don't go Donald Trump's way on Election Day, the President may face more serious matters than how to pack up the West Wing.


    Without some of the protections afforded him by the presidency, Trump will become vulnerable to multiple investigations looking into possible fraud in his financial business dealings as a private citizen -- both as an individual and through his company. He faces defamation lawsuits sparked by his denials of accusations made by women who have alleged he assaulted them, including E. Jean Carroll, the former magazine columnist who has accused him of rape. And then there are claims he corrupted the presidency for his personal profits.


    As President, Trump has been able to block and delay several of these investigations and lawsuits -- including a yearlong fight over a subpoena for his tax returns -- in part because of his official position. Many of those matters have wound through the courts and will come to a head whether he is reelected or not.


    But with the polls showing that Democratic rival Joe Biden is leading in the race, the stakes become much higher for Trump if he loses the election. A raft of legal issues, including a criminal investigation by New York prosecutors, will come into focus in the weeks after Election Day.

    MORE The legal reckoning awaiting Donald Trump if he loses the election - CNNPolitics

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    The legal reckoning awaiting Donald Trump if he loses the election

    f things don't go Donald Trump's way on Election Day, the President may face more serious matters than how to pack up the West Wing. Without some of the protections afforded him by the presidency, Trump will become vulnerable to multiple investigations looking into possible fraud in his financial business dealings as a private citizen -- both as an individual and through his company. He faces defamation lawsuits sparked by his denials of accusations made by women who have alleged he assaulted them, including E. Jean Carroll, the former magazine columnist who has accused him of rape. And then there are claims he corrupted the presidency for his personal profits.

    As President, Trump has been able to block and delay several of these investigations and lawsuits -- including a yearlong fight over a subpoena for his tax returns -- in part because of his official position. Many of those matters have wound through the courts and will come to a head whether he is reelected or not.

    But with the polls showing that Democratic rival Joe Biden is leading in the race, the stakes become much higher for Trump if he loses the election. A raft of legal issues, including a criminal investigation by New York prosecutors, will come into focus in the weeks after Election Day.

    "In every regard, his leaving office makes it easier for prosecutors and plaintiffs in civil cases to pursue their cases against him," said Harry Sandick, a former federal prosecutor in the Manhattan US attorney's office. "For example, he is claiming a higher protection from subpoenas in the criminal cases and also in the congressional subpoena cases, [and that] is based largely on the fact that he is President."

    Some have suggested a formal apparatus for investigating Trump after he leaves office. Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat, has floated the creation of a "Presidential Crimes Commission," made up of independent prosecutors who can examine "those who enabled a corrupt president," as he put it in an August tweet. "Example 1: Sabotaging the mail to win an election."

    The most serious legal threat facing Trump is the Manhattan district attorney's broad criminal investigation into the financial workings of the Trump Organization. Prosecutors have suggested in court filings that the investigation could examine whether the President and his company engaged in bank fraud, insurance fraud, criminal tax fraud and falsification of business records.

    In the course of that probe, Trump has challenged a subpoena to his accounting firm for eight years of tax returns and financial records. Five courts have ruled the subpoena is valid, and last week Trump faced the latest setback when a federal appellate court denied his appeal, ruling that the grand jury subpoena was not overly broad or issued in bad faith. On Tuesday, Trump's lawyers asked the Supreme Court to block the enforcement of the subpoena to allow it time to appeal to the court. Trump already lost an appeal to the highest court in July, when it ruled that the president is not immune from a state grand jury subpoena.
    New York prosecutors have said the tax records, working papers and documentation around business transactions are crucial to their investigation, which has been underway for more than a year.

    There are legal questions as to whether a state prosecutor could file charges against a sitting president.

    "He's so powerful right now. They know that they can't indict him right now so there is an incentive to build their case and get ready. I think what happens if he loses and leaves office that things will move very quickly," said Jennifer Rodgers, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor.

    Playing fast and loose with value of company assets

    The New York attorney general is also proceeding with a separate civil investigation into the Trump Organization and whether it improperly inflated the value of certain assets in some instances and lowered them in others, in an effort to secure loans and obtain economic and tax benefits.

    Investigators are looking into the tax breaks taken at the Trump Seven Springs property in Bedford, New York, and the Trump National Golf Club in Los Angeles. They are also investigating the valuation of a Trump office tower on Wall Street and the forgiveness of a more than $100 million loan on the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago.

    Eric Trump, executive vice president of the Trump Organization, sat remotely for a deposition with civil investigators last week. The lawyers are seeking additional depositions with Sheri Dillon, Trump's longtime tax lawyer.
    Lawyers for the Trump Organization have said in court documents that they believe New York Attorney General Letitia James is politically motivated, and they initially tried to push off Eric Trump's deposition until after Election Day, but a judge rejected that request. The state lawyers, who have said they are not coordinating with any criminal law enforcement agency, said their investigation is civil in nature. But they could make a criminal referral if they believe there is enough evidence.

    "With a big-time executive, when they do these multiple or hundreds of millions of dollar transactions, they're always advised by lawyers and accountants," said Dan Alonso, a former prosecutor with the Manhattan district attorney's office. "There are a lot of layers between messing up the tax treatment and criminal liability on the part of the President, that's a big leap."

    Opening the floodgates to lawsuits

    If Trump is not reelected, he will lose the deference that courts have given to sitting presidents, opening the floodgates for many lawsuits.

    The state attorneys general of Washington, DC, and Maryland sued the President in 2017, alleging he corruptly profited off his position by placing his financial interests above those of American citizens.

    The state investigators prepared more than 30 subpoenas, including to the Trump Organization, and others relating to the Trump businesses. Trump sued to block the lawsuit, which alleges he violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution by virtue of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that foreign governments and others have spent at his properties. Trump has appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court, which has not yet decided whether to hear the case. A second emoluments lawsuit brought by hotel and restaurant operators in New York is also pending.

    In August, after a state court judge denied Trump's effort to delay a defamation lawsuit, the President deployed the Department of Justice to attempt to insert itself in the nearly yearlong litigation. The Justice Department asked a federal judge to substitute itself in place of Trump in a defamation lawsuit brought by Carroll, a onetime Elle magazine advice columnist, who accused the President of raping her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s. Trump has denied the allegation.

    The move, if granted, could effectively kill the lawsuit, which has been winding through the courts since last November, because the Justice Department cannot be sued for defamation. A judge has scheduled a hearing in the case for Wednesday. Carroll has indicated she is seeking to depose the President under oath and to compare with a sample of male genetic material she says is on the dress she wore the day of the alleged rape.
    Other lawsuits have also been on hold by virtue of Trump's status as President.

    Another case awaiting decision is a defamation lawsuit filed in New York state court by a former contestant on "The Apprentice," Summer Zervos, who claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 2007. Zervos has said Trump kissed her on the lips during a lunch meeting in his New York City office and has alleged he kissed her aggressively and touched her breast during another encounter in Beverly Hills. She sued after she received harassment and threats following his denial of her claims, according to court filings.

    After a New York state court judge denied Trump's effort to dismiss Zervos' lawsuit, the President appealed the ruling, arguing that the Constitution's Supremacy Clause bars a state court from hearing an action against a sitting president. The Zervos case is now awaiting a ruling by the New York state Court of Appeals on the question of whether the state courts have jurisdiction over him while he occupies the White House.
    The president's niece, Mary Trump, is also suing Trump, his sister and the estate of their deceased brother for fraud, alleging they deprived her of her interests in the family real estate empire built by Fred Trump Sr.
    In these civil cases, where in some instances Trump has sought to avoid testifying or providing DNA evidence, Sandick said Trump will lose the ability to argue he is afforded certain protections by the White House if he ends up exiting the Oval Office. "If he's not President, all of that goes away."

    Less sway over potential witnesses

    One wild card is what would happen to a decade-long civil tax audit conducted by the IRS, which falls under the Treasury Department, and whether it could be escalated under a Biden administration to the Justice Department for review. According to The New York Times, the IRS is looking at a $72.9 million tax refund credit Trump claimed.

    Lawyers say a less obvious factor that could change if Biden wins is the sway Trump has held over accountants, bankers and those in his inner circle who could be crucial witnesses to authorities.

    "They're going to be much less afraid to talk about someone who is no longer the president," Rodgers said. She added that a case involving allegations of false statements to banks or tax fraud would likely be heavily documented, which, once the subpoena for the tax returns is produced, could aid the investigation.

    Of course, if Trump is reelected, it is possible he may be able to run out the statute of limitations, which for some crimes in New York state law is five to six years; push these lawsuits out another four years; or simply continue to enjoy the benefit of the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel opinion that says a sitting president can't be indicted.

    The Office of Legal Counsel memo has already insulated Trump from possible indictment in two instances: the special counsel investigation led by Robert Mueller, which found evidence that Trump had committed obstruction of justice but didn't charge him, and the investigation by the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which cited Trump as "Individual 1" in charging his former lawyer Michael Cohen with campaign finance crimes for facilitating hush-money payments to two women who alleged affairs with Trump. Trump has denied the affairs. Cohen pleaded guilty and said under oath that Trump had directed him to break the law. Cohen was reimbursed for those payments from the Trump Organization well into 2017, which could extend the statute of limitations on that crime into 2022. Some lawyers have speculated that it's possible Trump would attempt to pardon himself from federal crimes before he leaves office.

    The decision of whether to revive those investigations would fall to a Biden administration and top law enforcement officials leading the Justice Department and Manhattan US attorney's office.
    In testimony before Congress, Mueller was asked by Republican Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado, "Could you charge the President with a crime after he left office?"

    "Yes," Mueller replied.

    "You believe that he committed -- you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?" Buck asked.

    Mueller answered: "Yes."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/polit...ing/index.html

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    'No Question' Trump and Daughter Ivanka Could Face Jail Time for Tax Fraud After Leaving White House, Says Legal Expert


    Both President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka are liable to face jail time due to tax fraud should the president lose his reelection bid in November, a former Watergate prosecutor told CNN on Tuesday.

    Nick Akerman, who investigated former President Richard Nixon's tax activities as part of the Watergate investigation, told anchor Erin Burnett that Nixon was a "rookie amateur" compared to Trump's maneuvers which allowed himto pay no federal income taxes for at least 11 years and just $750 in 2016 and 2017.

    While the New York Times gave its bombshell story about Trump's tax records from the past two decades a headline referring to his "tax avoidance," Akerman said the article actually describes several instances of tax fraud that both the president and his eldest daughter participated in.

    Ex-Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman says the NYT’s report on Trump’s taxes shows that both he and his daughter, Ivanka could face legal liabilities. “The only thing saving him at this point is the Department of Justice’s guideline that says you can’t indict a sitting president.” pic.twitter.com/kOytMsQTgQ
    — CNN (@CNN) September 29, 2020

    "Tax avoidance is simply taking the tax code and getting the most deductions you can get under the code that is perfectly legal," Akerman told Burnett. "Tax fraud, however, is lying about what your income was, lying about what your deductions are, and there's a couple of items that just stand out in that report from the New York Times that really appear to go beyond tax avoidance."

    Akerman pointed to a particular revelation about consulting fees that the Trump Organization paid to an outside consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, British Columbia, totaling $747,622. Ivanka Trump, who at the time was an executive at the Trump Organization, reported that she received that exact amount in 2017 through a consulting firm she co-owned.

    "There is no legitimate reason for her to get those consulting fees since she was being paid already as a Trump employee," Akerman said. "The only possible reason for doing this was to somehow move money around so that it wouldn't be taxed to Donald Trump but would in effect go on Ivanka Trump's tax return, who probably had certain losses that she could take against it. So in the end, the government gets zero dollars."

    According to the law, there is "no question" the president and Ivanka Trump could face at least five years in prison for tax evasion, Akerman said.

    "It is a pretty serious crime and the more money that is stolen the longer you go to jail for," he said, adding, "The only thing saving him at this point is the Department of Justice's guideline that says you can't indict a sitting president."

    The DOJ is currently guided by a 2000 Office of Legal Counsel memo stating that a sitting president cannot be indicted—guidance that is "far from being definitive" and could be reconsidered by the department, according to Lawfare.

    As it stands, should Trump lose the general election in November, "any decent prosecutor looking at this evidence would be able to put together a pretty viable tax case," Akerman said, adding that Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. is currently probing Trump's financial records.

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    In an attempt to lift their sagging election contributions the republicans are now offering sex dolls for both gays and straights in their website , as predicted the male doll is outselling the female 10-1.
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    Trump laughs off lies

    Trump binge tonight.

    I watched a talking heads program about trump prior to his 2016 election and the hosts went on about Trumps misrepresentations and how while he may get away with them in his current position, they were positive Trump couldn't get away with doing so while president.

    Trump lied about his Las Vegas condo building being sold out and he lied about a Palo Verde, California gold course with 75 mansion being completed.

    Lies then and same kind of lies today.

    In this Mother Jones video, old to some maybe but new to me, Trump appears to be unable to grasp what a lie actually is. It's just over 26 minutes long but I felt it was worth viewing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco999 View Post
    It's just over 26 minutes long but I felt it was worth viewing.
    ...nope, definitely not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Please, please, please tell me that there is not one single person in the US who doesn't think he's insane
    OK

    If Trump has a following of around 40 % and around 40 % of americans believe that humans had a jolly good time with the dinosaurs some 6000 years back, do you then see a pattern ?


    And why would anyone want to reason with them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    OK
    I knew it!!!! Curse you Helge!!!!!!


    But yes, you're quite sadly right

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    f things don't go Donald Trump's way on Election Day, the President may face more serious matters than how to pack up the West Wing. Without some of the protections afforded him by the presidency, Trump will become vulnerable to multiple investigations looking into possible fraud in his financial business dealings as a private citizen -- both as an individual and through his company. He faces defamation lawsuits sparked by his denials of accusations made by women who have alleged he assaulted them, including E. Jean Carroll, the former magazine columnist who has accused him of rape. And then there are claims he corrupted the presidency for his personal profits.

    As President, Trump has been able to block and delay several of these investigations and lawsuits -- including a yearlong fight over a subpoena for his tax returns -- in part because of his official position. Many of those matters have wound through the courts and will come to a head whether he is reelected or not.

    But with the polls showing that Democratic rival Joe Biden is leading in the race, the stakes become much higher for Trump if he loses the election. A raft of legal issues, including a criminal investigation by New York prosecutors, will come into focus in the weeks after Election Day.

    "In every regard, his leaving office makes it easier for prosecutors and plaintiffs in civil cases to pursue their cases against him," said Harry Sandick, a former federal prosecutor in the Manhattan US attorney's office. "For example, he is claiming a higher protection from subpoenas in the criminal cases and also in the congressional subpoena cases, [and that] is based largely on the fact that he is President."

    Some have suggested a formal apparatus for investigating Trump after he leaves office. Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat, has floated the creation of a "Presidential Crimes Commission," made up of independent prosecutors who can examine "those who enabled a corrupt president," as he put it in an August tweet. "Example 1: Sabotaging the mail to win an election."

    The most serious legal threat facing Trump is the Manhattan district attorney's broad criminal investigation into the financial workings of the Trump Organization. Prosecutors have suggested in court filings that the investigation could examine whether the President and his company engaged in bank fraud, insurance fraud, criminal tax fraud and falsification of business records.

    In the course of that probe, Trump has challenged a subpoena to his accounting firm for eight years of tax returns and financial records. Five courts have ruled the subpoena is valid, and last week Trump faced the latest setback when a federal appellate court denied his appeal, ruling that the grand jury subpoena was not overly broad or issued in bad faith. On Tuesday, Trump's lawyers asked the Supreme Court to block the enforcement of the subpoena to allow it time to appeal to the court. Trump already lost an appeal to the highest court in July, when it ruled that the president is not immune from a state grand jury subpoena.
    New York prosecutors have said the tax records, working papers and documentation around business transactions are crucial to their investigation, which has been underway for more than a year.

    There are legal questions as to whether a state prosecutor could file charges against a sitting president.

    "He's so powerful right now. They know that they can't indict him right now so there is an incentive to build their case and get ready. I think what happens if he loses and leaves office that things will move very quickly," said Jennifer Rodgers, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor.

    Playing fast and loose with value of company assets

    The New York attorney general is also proceeding with a separate civil investigation into the Trump Organization and whether it improperly inflated the value of certain assets in some instances and lowered them in others, in an effort to secure loans and obtain economic and tax benefits.

    Investigators are looking into the tax breaks taken at the Trump Seven Springs property in Bedford, New York, and the Trump National Golf Club in Los Angeles. They are also investigating the valuation of a Trump office tower on Wall Street and the forgiveness of a more than $100 million loan on the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago.

    Eric Trump, executive vice president of the Trump Organization, sat remotely for a deposition with civil investigators last week. The lawyers are seeking additional depositions with Sheri Dillon, Trump's longtime tax lawyer.
    Lawyers for the Trump Organization have said in court documents that they believe New York Attorney General Letitia James is politically motivated, and they initially tried to push off Eric Trump's deposition until after Election Day, but a judge rejected that request. The state lawyers, who have said they are not coordinating with any criminal law enforcement agency, said their investigation is civil in nature. But they could make a criminal referral if they believe there is enough evidence.

    "With a big-time executive, when they do these multiple or hundreds of millions of dollar transactions, they're always advised by lawyers and accountants," said Dan Alonso, a former prosecutor with the Manhattan district attorney's office. "There are a lot of layers between messing up the tax treatment and criminal liability on the part of the President, that's a big leap."

    Opening the floodgates to lawsuits

    If Trump is not reelected, he will lose the deference that courts have given to sitting presidents, opening the floodgates for many lawsuits.

    The state attorneys general of Washington, DC, and Maryland sued the President in 2017, alleging he corruptly profited off his position by placing his financial interests above those of American citizens.

    The state investigators prepared more than 30 subpoenas, including to the Trump Organization, and others relating to the Trump businesses. Trump sued to block the lawsuit, which alleges he violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution by virtue of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that foreign governments and others have spent at his properties. Trump has appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court, which has not yet decided whether to hear the case. A second emoluments lawsuit brought by hotel and restaurant operators in New York is also pending.

    In August, after a state court judge denied Trump's effort to delay a defamation lawsuit, the President deployed the Department of Justice to attempt to insert itself in the nearly yearlong litigation. The Justice Department asked a federal judge to substitute itself in place of Trump in a defamation lawsuit brought by Carroll, a onetime Elle magazine advice columnist, who accused the President of raping her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s. Trump has denied the allegation.

    The move, if granted, could effectively kill the lawsuit, which has been winding through the courts since last November, because the Justice Department cannot be sued for defamation. A judge has scheduled a hearing in the case for Wednesday. Carroll has indicated she is seeking to depose the President under oath and to compare with a sample of male genetic material she says is on the dress she wore the day of the alleged rape.
    Other lawsuits have also been on hold by virtue of Trump's status as President.

    Another case awaiting decision is a defamation lawsuit filed in New York state court by a former contestant on "The Apprentice," Summer Zervos, who claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 2007. Zervos has said Trump kissed her on the lips during a lunch meeting in his New York City office and has alleged he kissed her aggressively and touched her breast during another encounter in Beverly Hills. She sued after she received harassment and threats following his denial of her claims, according to court filings.

    After a New York state court judge denied Trump's effort to dismiss Zervos' lawsuit, the President appealed the ruling, arguing that the Constitution's Supremacy Clause bars a state court from hearing an action against a sitting president. The Zervos case is now awaiting a ruling by the New York state Court of Appeals on the question of whether the state courts have jurisdiction over him while he occupies the White House.
    The president's niece, Mary Trump, is also suing Trump, his sister and the estate of their deceased brother for fraud, alleging they deprived her of her interests in the family real estate empire built by Fred Trump Sr.
    In these civil cases, where in some instances Trump has sought to avoid testifying or providing DNA evidence, Sandick said Trump will lose the ability to argue he is afforded certain protections by the White House if he ends up exiting the Oval Office. "If he's not President, all of that goes away."

    Less sway over potential witnesses

    One wild card is what would happen to a decade-long civil tax audit conducted by the IRS, which falls under the Treasury Department, and whether it could be escalated under a Biden administration to the Justice Department for review. According to The New York Times, the IRS is looking at a $72.9 million tax refund credit Trump claimed.

    Lawyers say a less obvious factor that could change if Biden wins is the sway Trump has held over accountants, bankers and those in his inner circle who could be crucial witnesses to authorities.

    "They're going to be much less afraid to talk about someone who is no longer the president," Rodgers said. She added that a case involving allegations of false statements to banks or tax fraud would likely be heavily documented, which, once the subpoena for the tax returns is produced, could aid the investigation.

    Of course, if Trump is reelected, it is possible he may be able to run out the statute of limitations, which for some crimes in New York state law is five to six years; push these lawsuits out another four years; or simply continue to enjoy the benefit of the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel opinion that says a sitting president can't be indicted.

    The Office of Legal Counsel memo has already insulated Trump from possible indictment in two instances: the special counsel investigation led by Robert Mueller, which found evidence that Trump had committed obstruction of justice but didn't charge him, and the investigation by the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which cited Trump as "Individual 1" in charging his former lawyer Michael Cohen with campaign finance crimes for facilitating hush-money payments to two women who alleged affairs with Trump. Trump has denied the affairs. Cohen pleaded guilty and said under oath that Trump had directed him to break the law. Cohen was reimbursed for those payments from the Trump Organization well into 2017, which could extend the statute of limitations on that crime into 2022. Some lawyers have speculated that it's possible Trump would attempt to pardon himself from federal crimes before he leaves office.

    The decision of whether to revive those investigations would fall to a Biden administration and top law enforcement officials leading the Justice Department and Manhattan US attorney's office.
    In testimony before Congress, Mueller was asked by Republican Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado, "Could you charge the President with a crime after he left office?"

    "Yes," Mueller replied.

    "You believe that he committed -- you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?" Buck asked.

    Mueller answered: "Yes."

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    Trump will not serve a day in prison!!!!
    If he loses this election, a deal will be made that if he goes away quietly , they don't pursue charges aggressively. Some vague admissions of guilt will be made, some fines will be paid by a defence fund, and that will be all. Only the poor and the few with no power go to jail in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    For me , unless trump looses in a landslide proving that he was an aberration and that the overwhelming majority of us rejected such behaviour I would never look at my fellow Americans , the same way again.
    Trump WILL loose BIG TIME! Believe me, because Americans have their JUSH back

    https://twitter.com/meenaharris/stat...76818938421249


    It will be the biggest embarrassment for the Rep dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Trump WILL loose BIG TIME! Believe me, because Americans have their JUSH back

    https://twitter.com/meenaharris/stat...76818938421249


    It will be the biggest embarrassment for the Rep dogs.
    Word.. 20% of America has voted. I havent seen many not wearing a mask..


















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