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    they all knew.


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    Fucking hell the straw clutching gets ever more desperate.

    Apparently now the "Deep State" are blocking the COVID vaccine to make him look bad.

    Trump claims ‘deep state’ is delaying coronavirus vaccine until after election | The Independent

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    A second Trump term might injure the democratic experiment beyond recovery

    After he is nominated at a pared-down Republican convention next week, President Trump will make this argument to the American people: Things were great until China loosed the novel coronavirus on the world. If you reelect me, I will make things great again.

    Seeking reelection in the midst of the worst public health crisis and sharpest economic downturn of our lifetimes, this may, realistically, be the only argument left to him. But, fittingly for a president who has spoken more than 20,000 lies during his presidency, it rests on two huge falsehoods.

    One is that the nation, his presidency and, above all, Mr. Trump himself are innocent victims of covid-19. In fact, his own negligence, ignorance and malpractice turned what would have been a daunting challenge for any president into a national disaster.

    The other is that there was anything to admire in his record before the virus struck. It is true that the economic growth initiated under President Barack Obama had continued, at about the same modest rate. Mr. Trump achieved this growth by ratcheting up America’s deficit and long-term debt to record levels, with a tax cut that showered benefits on the wealthy.

    But beyond the low unemployment rate he gained and lost, history will record Mr. Trump’s presidency as a march of wanton, uninterrupted, tragic destruction. America’s standing in the world, loyalty to allies, commitment to democratic values, constitutional checks and balances, faith in reason and science, concern for Earth’s health, respect for public service, belief in civility and honest debate, beacon to refugees in need, aspirations to equality and diversity and basic decency — Mr. Trump torched them all.

    Four years ago, after Mr. Trump was nominated in Cleveland, we did something in this space we had never done before: Even before the Democrats had nominated their candidate, we told you that we could never, under any circumstances, endorse Donald Trump for president. He was, we said, “uniquely unqualified” to be president.

    “Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together,” we warned. “His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.”

    The nation has indeed spent much of the past three-plus years fretting over whether that experiment could survive Mr. Trump’s depredations. The resistance from some institutions, at some times, has been heartening. The depth of the president’s incompetence, which even we could not have imagined, may have saved the democracy from a more rapid descent.

    But the trajectory has been alarming. The capitulation of the Republican Party has been nauseating. Misbehavior that many people vowed never to accept as normal has become routine.

    A second term might injure the experiment beyond recovery.

    And so, over the coming weeks, we will do something else we have never done before: We will publish a series of editorials on the damage this president has caused — and the danger he would pose in a second term. And we will unabashedly urge you to do your civic duty and vote: Vote early and vote safely, but vote.

    “I alone can fix it,” Mr. Trump proclaimed at his convention four years ago.

    How has that turned out?

    His campaign, as our columnist Michael Gerson has noted, was based on the premises that Mr. Obama and all his predecessors had made such a botch of things that nothing could get worse — and that expertise and moral leadership were not only irrelevant, they were handicaps.

    Mr. Trump has decisively refuted these premises.

    By most objective measures (the stock market indices being the exception), things today are worse.

    But, you say, is it fair to blame him for the coronavirus?

    No. Mr. Trump did not cause the pandemic; and China, as he says, mishandled it at the start.

    But every other nation in the world has had to deal with the same virus, and most of them have done so far more competently, and with more evidence of learning and improvement as they go, than the United States.

    More people have died of covid-19 in the United States than in any other country. Even adjusted for population, the death rate here is almost five times worse than in Germany, and almost 100 times worse than in South Korea.

    These are facts. This is reality. And the excess deaths and illness are directly attributable to Mr. Trump’s failures of leadership.

    He failed to prepare the nation for a pandemic, though experts for years had warned of the possibility.

    When the virus emerged, he first praised China’s handling of it, then imposed travel restrictions too slapdash to offer any protection.

    For months, when he could have been preparing the nation, he insisted the virus would just go away.

    When reality washed that nonsense away, he allowed government experts to guide the nation for a few weeks.

    But as the nation began to make some headway, Mr. Trump — more concerned with the impact on his reelection prospects than with the risk to human life — urged Americans to ignore expert advice and “liberate” their states, never mind masks or social distancing.


    The result is the worst of all worlds: unneeded deaths, no possibility of real reopening and intensification of the markers of “carnage” that Mr. Trump railed against four years ago: unemployment, inequality, opioid addiction.

    Perhaps most frightening: Even now, there is no plan, no learning, no strategy for testing and reopening. Under his leadership, it is all too easy to imagine that our children will still be out of school a year from now, or two, or three.

    A president’s first duty is to keep the nation safe. If he has failed at home, maybe Mr. Trump has a better record overseas?

    He continued a successful campaign to demolish the Islamic State, the self-styled caliphate that established itself on both sides of the Iraq-Syria border after Mr. Obama’s premature disengagement. The recently announced peace deal between Israel and the tiny United Arab Emirates is a step forward. Mr. Trump has kept the nation out of major conflict.

    But neither the country nor the world are safer four years on. The nuclear programs in Iran and North Korea, which Mr. Trump said he could easily take care of, are less constrained than ever. Russia continues to illegally occupy parts of three sovereign nations, including Ukraine. The malign dictatorship in Venezuela, which Mr. Trump vowed to dislodge, remains firmly entrenched.

    To the greatest challenge of our time, Mr. Trump has failed most destructively. That challenge is the rise of authoritarian powers, most notably China. Like dictatorships before them, they threaten the values upon which this nation was founded: individual dignity and liberty, the freedom to worship and speak and think. But unlike past dictatorships, they are bolstered by technologies that enable unprecedented surveillance and intrusion into what was once the private sphere.

    As Franklin D. Roosevelt said 80 years ago, when democracy was similarly under threat, “There can be no ultimate peace between their philosophy of government and our philosophy of government.” If they should gain the upper hand around the world, “We should enter upon a new and terrible era in which the whole world, our hemisphere included, would be run by threats of brute force.”

    Mr. Trump, in his fourth year, has branded China an enemy, mostly because he needs a pandemic scapegoat, but also because he hopes it will give him a campaign issue.

    But for three years, he embraced and admired Chinese dictator Xi Jinping and made clear his indifference to China’s genocide of its Muslim Uighur population, its stifling of Hong Kong, the repression of its own people. Mr. Trump’s one concern was mercantile, and even there he failed: China’s economy is no more open to U.S. business than it was four years ago.

    A president truly attuned to the Chinese threat would be investing in American universities and science; welcoming the smartest young people from around the world to study and work in the United States; and building alliances with like-minded democracies such as South Korea, Japan, Canada and Germany. In each case, the president has done the opposite.

    Most of all, he would be modeling the virtues of democracy, but again he has done the reverse, admiring and embracing the methods of strongmen such as Mr. Xi. Mr. Trump denigrates a free press, makes a mockery of free markets, elevates insult over civil exchange, shows contempt for the rule of law in civilian and military courts, devalues truth, and dismisses legitimate oversight from Congress, the courts and executive branch inspectors general.

    Last fall, Mr. Trump became the third president in history to be impeached. The House of Representatives charged him with what amounts to extortion for personal political gain: Mr. Trump held up an arms sale and a White House meeting in an effort to pressure the president of Ukraine to slander former vice president Joe Biden. The House also charged Mr. Trump with illegally refusing to cooperate with its investigation.

    In February, the Senate voted to acquit the president, with Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah the lone Republican honest enough to acknowledge that the evidence was irrefutable. A few other Republicans, perhaps embarrassed by their own moral collapse, suggested that Mr. Trump would be chastened by impeachment and mend his ways.

    Instead, he has been emboldened, and his behavior in the half-year since provides an indication of the lawlessness we can expect if Mr. Trump is reelected. He has swept aside U.S. attorneys who would not bend the law to his whim; fired officials throughout the government whose only offense was to do their jobs honestly or seek to hold his administration accountable; sicced unbadged troops on peaceful protesters in D.C. and Portland, Ore., for the benefit of his reelection campaign; and ignored and lied about credible reports of Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers.

    He has sought to undermine confidence in democracy itself, lying about the prevalence of fraud, floating the possibility of delaying the election and even suggesting he may not accept its results.

    These are high crimes and misdemeanors, as the framers of the Constitution understood the term. But this time it is up to us, the American people, to remove Mr. Trump from office.

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    I have only recently started following Trump on Twatter and the fucked thing about it is realizing I've only ever seen the tip of the iceberg in regards to his lies and insanity.

    He lies constantly, it just never ends, and the only pause is when he's whining about being the victim. He is truly deranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    He lies constantly, it just never ends, and the only pause is when he's whining about being the victim. He is truly deranged.
    Yep but you have lemmings like deeks/boontard who swallow he tweets like gospil.

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    Donald Trump has joined the chat.
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    'Conmen, grifters and criminals': why is Trump's circle so at odds with the law?

    To live outside the law, Bob Dylan sang, you must be honest. It also helps, apparently, to stay as clear as possible from Donald Trump, whose inner circle of advisers has suffered steady attrition since 2017, through a series of encounters with the criminal justice system.


    On Thursday, the former White House strategist Steve Bannon became the latest Trump intimate to be taken into custody, when the Chinese-owned yacht on which he was sunburning was boarded by agents of the US Postal Service.


    Bannon was accused of defrauding people who gave tens of millions to a private fund which existed, Bannon claimed, to finance the construction of a wall on the border with Mexico. The real purpose of that fund and others, federal prosecutors say, was to cover the luxury lifestyle expenses of Bannon and his fellow defendants.


    This entire fiasco is to stop people who want to build the wall, Bannon declared outside a Manhattan courthouse, proclaiming his innocence.


    Depending on how and whom you count, Bannon was the seventh former close Trump adviser to be arrested, face charges, plead guilty or to be convicted of a crime since the 45th president took office.


    Former campaign chairman Paul Manafort (convicted: tax fraud, bank fraud) is in home confinement due to Covid-19; former adviser Roger Stone (convicted: obstruction, false statements) received a presidential commutation; former adviser Michael Cohen (guilty plea: campaign finance crimes, lying to Congress) is in home confinement; former national security adviser Michael Flynn (guilty plea: lying to the FBI) is awaiting a ruling on a request to dismiss charges; former adviser Rick Gates (guilty plea: lying to investigators) has completed a prison term; and former adviser George Papadopoulos (guilty plea: lying) has completed a prison term.


    When I see a swarm of conmen around one man, in this case Trump, experience suggests they recognize one of their own
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    I believe it unprecedented in any US administration for so many of the closest circle of persons around the president to have been shown to be conmen, grifters and base criminals, said Patrick Cotter, a former federal prosecutor who was part of the team that convicted the Gambino family boss John Gotti, in an email.


    While previous administrations had their share of those trying to personally profit and those willing to break the law to serve the political interests of the president, what is unique about the Trump administration is the large number of people in direct contact with the president, often for years, who are revealed to be out-and-out fraudsters for whom crime is apparently part of their lifestyle and character.


    As his re-election campaign enters full swing, Trump has made an effort to brand himself as the president of law and order. But Trump himself has at times appeared to sail within dangerous distance of criminal legal hazards.


    During impeachment proceedings that straddled the turn of this year, Democrats and the Republican senator Mitt Romney voted to remove Trump for abuse of power.


    Donald Trumps former campaign manager Paul Manafort arrives for an arraignment hearing on mortgage fraud charges in Manhattan in June 2019.
    Donald Trumps former campaign manager Paul Manafort arrives for an arraignment hearing on mortgage fraud charges in Manhattan in June 2019. Photograph: Justin Lane/EPA
    Robert Mueller detailed nearly a dozen potential instances of obstruction of justice by Trump during the Russia investigation, though the special counsel did not propose criminal charges.




    Before that, Trump paid $2m in fines and closed his familys charity foundation, admitting it had used donations to pay campaign and business expenses.


    The prosecutors in that case, in the New York state attorney generals office, are currently investigating Trumps banking and tax conduct, while federal prosecutors in New York the ones bringing charges against Bannon are also looking at alleged graft by Trumps inauguration committee.


    The Manhattan district attorney is investigating Trumps tax records, as are multiple congressional committees.


    Trump says he is a victim of a witch-hunt by politically motivated prosecutors. His critics say that in fact the full scope of Trumps alleged criminal conduct is unknown because he is using the power of the presidency to block details from coming to light.


    Continued arrests of former associates could at some stage pose a threat to Trump himself, if one decided to cooperate with prosecutors against Trump, legal analysts have said. But past speculation about the dangers of such a flipped witness have not been borne out in part perhaps because Trump has demonstrated a willingness to pardon his friends for their wrongdoing, decreasing any incentive to flip.


    Consider Trumps clemency for Stone; the justice departments efforts to drop the case against Flynn, which the courts have not yet granted; attorney general William Barrs sudden removal of prosecutors seen as threatening to Trump; and Trumps deployment of the might of the justice department to stop his tax records being handed to state authorities and Congress, in a case that reached the supreme court.


    Barr and Trump have denied using the levers of American justice to prosecute the presidents enemies and protect his friends. But evidence-heavy charging documents against figures in Trumps orbit keep stacking up.




    US Senate report goes beyond Mueller to lay bare Trump campaign's Russia links
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    Why this unprecedented situation? said Cotter, now a Chicago-based officer with the Greensfelder law firm.


    My almost 40 years working in criminal law has taught me that criminals of a particular type tend to associate with other criminals of the same type. There is a comfort level and mutual understanding in such associations.


    So when I see a swarm of conmen buzzing around one particular man, in this case Trump, my experience suggests that it is because they recognize one of their own. And in selecting them to be his confidants, the president also recognized kindred spirits.


    It just keeps happening. But it has not happened to Trump, yet.
    'Conmen, grifters and criminals': why is Trump's circle so at odds with the law? | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Yep but you have lemmings like deeks/boontard who swallow he tweets like gospil.
    At one point I thought there were valid reasons for supporting Trump. I'm convinced now that if you can't see him for what he is and his lies and how fundamentally unfit he is for office then you must either simply not care because you're an idiot or an outright racist and like his message of hate (or a combo of both).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I have only recently started following Trump on Twatter and the fucked thing about it is realizing I've only ever seen the tip of the iceberg in regards to his lies and insanity.

    He lies constantly, it just never ends, and the only pause is when he's whining about being the victim. He is truly deranged.
    I just don't get how any reasonable minded person can find his shit acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I just don't get how any reasonable minded person can find his shit acceptable.
    It's legit baffling.

    Just now on Twatter he has claimed that the Dems took the word "God" out of the pledge at the DNC... It's something that's ridiculously easy to disprove but the Trumptards are completely up in arms over it.


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    Just like at a recent presser where someone straight up asked him if he regretted all the lies someone needs toask him straight up what church/faith he belongs to and what Church he attends.

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    I can't figure out whethere the title is ironic or trumptards actually find this trump being a dick funny.
    Is this a joke or is the poster serious?

    Last edited by Cujo; 22-08-2020 at 09:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Don't we remember at the start of his presidency everyone was so busy fact-checking him but had to give up as he was lying so much that correcting his lies just fell too far behind his newest lies.

    People voting for him simply need their heads examined - he has done and achieved very little that benefits the population as a whole.
    I have said it many times. To me the fact that trump has some support is much scarier than trump. One way or another, if not this election the next, trump will be gone, but those who support him will remain. gumming up the wheels of democracy.
    How can everyone have an equal vote when some are so easily manipulated and so fundamentally misinformed? If there is such an easily manipulated resource wouldn't other trump attempt to use it for their own selfish interests also?
    George Will said it best IMO when he said " once a bell has been rung , it can not be unrung"
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    ^ Made me smile.

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    The POTUS, Donald J Trump......... NEVER stops whinging .

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    Secret recording of trump's sister talking about him.
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    Secret recording of trump's sister talking about him.
    Great stuff. I wonder how she feels about tapes secretely recorded of her speaking being made public.
    I imagine this could backfire if they decide to ignore the content and attack with indignation the fact that secretely recorded tapes have been made public.

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    Trump’s sister calls him a liar with “no principles” in secret recordings

    President Donald Trump’s sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, sharply disparaged the president and said she believed he paid a friend to take his SATs in audio recordings published by the Washington Post Saturday night.

    Trump “has no principles — none,” Barry said in the recordings provided to the Post. “It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.”

    Barry, a former federal judge, made the comments in a set of secret recordings in 2018 and 2019 by her niece, Mary Trump, who has emerged as a fierce critic of the president.

    Barry said that Donald Trump “doesn’t read,” that “he was a brat,” and that she did his homework for him, adding that she believes he paid a friend to take the standardized tests that allowed him to transfer from Fordham University to the University of Pennsylvania.

    The allegation that Trump cheated on a college entrance exam (which he denies) was one of the oft-questioned parts of a book by Mary Trump released earlier this year, in which she describes the dramatic inner workings of the Trump family and how it shaped the president’s psyche. The recordings with Barry, provided to the Post to substantiate the allegation, seem to be one of the underpinnings of her book.

    There’s more to the story, however: Mary Trump’s spokesperson told the Post she recorded her aunt to gather evidence supporting her claim that she was cheated out of a significant portion of her inheritance after her grandfather and family patriarch Fred Trump Sr. died in 1999.

    Barry, Robert Trump, and Donald Trump joined a lawsuit to prevent Mary from getting a larger inheritance, and she eventually settled the matter in 2001, after being told the estate was worth $30 million. She later came to believe it was worth around $1 billion and the family had lied about its value.

    In her book, Mary Trump said she became a major source in a 2018 New York Times investigation into the sprawling financial corruption of the larger Trump family, who amassed their wealth in part due to tax dodges.


    The Trump family has a long history of tax evasion and deceptive business practices

    The publication of Maryanne Trump Barry’s comments marks the first time a member of the family besides Mary Trump has been heard disparaging Donald Trump, and his history of deception. But Barry herself has been implicated in the Trump family’s shady financial activity.

    The 2018 Times investigation revealed a pattern of tax evasion that allowed Donald Trump to receive the current equivalent of at least $413 million from his father. Fred Trump, the family’s patriarch whose real estate business was the foundation of its wealth, further enriched the family by hiding millions of dollars of gifts through shell companies.

    As David Barstow, Susanne Craig, and Russ Buettner of the Times reported in 2018:

    Much of [the $413 million] came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

    The IRS didn’t catch on, and Fred Trump transferred more than $1 billion to his children. The Trumps paid only about $52.2 million in taxes, rather than the at least $550 million they could have been forced to pay.

    Barry was the co-owner of one of those shell companies used to draw cash from their father’s businesses by marking up purchases already made by employees rather than buying equipment for Fred Trump’s buildings, the Times reported, as it claimed to do. The millions of dollars siphoned through the company went — untaxed — to Barry, Donald Trump, and their other siblings.

    In 2018, a lawyer for Donald Trump denied the Times’s reporting, saying the allegations of “fraud and tax evasion are 100 percent false, and highly defamatory,” adding, “there was no fraud or tax evasion by anyone.” In Mary Trump’s book, Too Much and Never Enough, she said Barry denied a willing part in any scheme. “I met with Maryanne shortly after the article ran. She denied all of it. She was just a ‘girl,’ after all. When a piece of paper was put in front of her, she’d signed it. ... She seemed unconcerned that there would be any repercussions,” Mary Trump wrote.

    But after the Times’s investigation was published, a judicial conduct council launched an investigation into how Barry benefited from tax schemes and may have influenced actions taken by the family over the decades. The Times reported last year that Barry, now 83, retired 10 days after a court official told complainants that the investigation would get “the full attention” of the council, ending the investigation. (Barry was appointed as a federal judge by President Ronald Reagan. She complained in Mary Trump’s recordings that Donald Trump long held his “only favor” to her over her head: asking his lawyer Roy Cohn to push Reagan to appoint more female judges.)

    Donald Trump has claimed on the campaign trail to be a self-made billionaire, and he has built trust with many voters on the premise that his business expertise can benefit the country. But the Times’s reporting illustrates how Trump — who was earning $200,000 annually in today’s dollars by the age of 3 — was propped up by family wealth.
    The beneficiaries of the family scheme are now among the most powerful people in America. That will be on full display beginning Monday, when the Republican National Convention will convene with part digital, part in-person events throughout the week.

    Some of the key speakers at the convention will be members of the Trump family. In addition to the president, Donald Trump Jr., Melania Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Tiffany Trump are all slated to appear, making it a true family affair.

    The real Maryanne Trump scandal is the Trump family’s money, not the secret recordings - Vox





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    I see Kellyanne Conway is quitting the Trump camp.

    Supposedly because her kid/s have moved from school to university and this will take up huge amounts of her time.

    They were studying from home when 'at' School and will be studying from home when 'at' University, though.

    Might it be that she's been pondering the words 'Trump', 'complete' and 'meltdown' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I see Kellyanne Conway is quitting the Trump camp.

    Supposedly because her kid/s have moved from school to university and this will take up huge amounts of her time.

    They were studying from home when 'at' School and will be studying from home when 'at' University, though.

    Might it be that she's been pondering the words 'Trump', 'complete' and 'meltdown' ?

    Daughter quitting twatter for "mental health" reasons?

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    Seventy days until the election.

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