Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Troy

it is better to have a 1000 stupid ideas before coming up with a good one

He is way, waaay overdue a good one.

Originally Posted by aging one

First time I have ever thought about you as stupid.

Everyone can be made to look stupid, although it is easy with Trump and his silly remarks. He really does need to engage brain first and count to 100 before speaking.

However, having ideas, however stupid they may seem, can spark someone else's thoughts into something more useful.





I can't see him ever coming up with anything sensible...it was just a thought...

Originally Posted by Forethat

Personally, I couldn't give a flying toss about Trump. However, I admit I am fascinated by the fact that a majority of people criticizing Trump for knowing fuck all about virology and epidemiology, generally knows fuck all about...virology and epidemiology.

Are those people making unqualified and dangerous public statements also?

Who is so naive enough thinking that a POTUS who has such a huge clever and powerful advising staff behind him would say anything from his own brain. Especially, when so many clever people - not only here on TD - waiting on any his nonsense to throw the table on him....

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Who is so naive enough thinking that a POTUS who has such a huge clever and powerful advising staff behind him would say anything from his own brain. Especially, when so many clever people - not only here on TD - waiting on any his nonsense to throw the table on him....

Easy



​you!

Originally Posted by Troy

Everyone can be made to look stupid, although it is easy with Trump and his silly remarks. He really does need to engage brain first and count to 100 before speaking.

However, having ideas, however stupid they may seem, can spark someone else's thoughts into something more useful.





I can't see him ever coming up with anything sensible...it was just a thought...

Seems like a lot of his closet admirers are desperate to justify anything
the snake oil salesman says, even if it makes the the closet admirers
look just as dumb as twiddly dee himself.

^^

And just to add to that, a closet is somewhere you hide in, watching
your hero put the boot into anyone you don’t like, but saying nothing,
and then you come out, when your hero starts to get some of his own back.

Could this herald the beginning of the end for the orange shitgibbon?

The US president plans to ‘pare back’ his daily coronavirus briefings after falsely claiming his suggestion to inject cleaning products had been ‘sarcastic’



For Donald Trump, it was the strangest and most news-making thing he could have done: instead of taking questions from journalists, dominating the nation’s airwaves yet again, the US president gave a short pre-written statement and then stalked off the stage.


The abrupt end of Friday night’s daily press conference, which has become a ribald, unruly and often shocking ritual in America during the coronavirus pandemic, was probably the clearest sign yet of how badly Trump’s bizarre statements over disinfectant have shaken his administration.

Instead of going on the offensive after the world reacted with shock and horror to his Thursday night suggestion that the coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into a human body, Trump claimed he was being “sarcastic” and then retreated from public view.

The New York Times reported that some officials in the White House thought “it was one of the worst days in one of the worst weeks of his presidency.”

But it was Trump’s silence on Friday night that spoke volumes.

White House coronavirus taskforce briefings are often two-hour primetime marathons but on Friday Trump turned on his heel as reporters shouted questions in vain. Perhaps it was a fit of pique, or perhaps revenge on the reporters that he sees as persecutors. He may also have reached a tipping point, with his own advisers warning that the televised briefings are hurting him far more than they help.

Right on cue, minutes later, the Axios website reported that Trump plans to “pare back” his coronavirus press conferences, according to four of its sources. Next week, it said, “he may stop appearing daily and make shorter appearances when he does”.

If he does that then Trump’s remarks over disinfectant will have been the straw that broke the camel’s back over the nightly ritual of the virus briefings. For weeks they have dominated the US headlines as the nation struggles to come to terms with a pandemic that has cost 50,000 American lives. They have provided a canvas for Trump’s rage, a platform from which he can attack his enemies and – only occasionally – a place where an American president can seek to reassure a scared and besieged public enduring stay-at-home orders to curb the virus.

But Trump’s remarks over disinfectant changed all that.

On Thursday, Trump had suggested that doctors study the idea of people receiving injections of disinfectant to combat the virus. He also extolled the potential and unproven benefits of ultraviolet light. Medical experts, politicians and even disinfectant makers denounced the suggestion and warned the public against consuming the product. Trump’s comments generated internet memes and headlines around the world.

His old rival from 2016, Hillary Clinton, chimed in with a quick jab on Twitter. “Please don’t poison yourself because Donald Trump thinks it could be a good idea,” she said. His new rival for the 2020 election, former vice-president Joe Biden, also pitched in. “I can’t believe I have to say this, but please don’t drink bleach,” he said, mixing mockery with a public service announcement.

From almost the moment the words left Trump’s mouth it was clear some sort of damage limitation was needed.

But, as shock and amazement traversed the globe, it was slow in coming. When it did arrive, on Friday lunchtime, it was a clean-up attempt that clearly could have gone better. At a White House event Trump tried to justify his dangerous comments, falsely claiming that he was “asking a question sarcastically to reporters”.

On Friday, even as the US death toll topped 50,000 and the grim milestone of 1 million coronavirus cases grows nearer, Trump tried to make what critics saw as a desperate and dishonest U-turn.

“I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen,” the president, sitting at the Resolute desk in the Oval Office, told reporters as he signed emergency funding legislation.

“When I was asking a sarcastic – a very sarcastic question – to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside, but it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to a reporter.”

But video of the briefings clearly demonstrated otherwise. There was no hint of sarcasm and Trump’s attempts to rewrite the immediate past were undermined by the evidence just a simple Google search away.

When Trump posed the question about the efficacy of disinfectant injections, he had turned to his right and was looking in the direction of Bill Bryan, the acting homeland security undersecretary for science and technology, and Deborah Birx, the coronavirus taskforce coordinator.

Donald Trump turns to the homeland security official William Bryan during the briefing at which the president extolled the virtues of ingested disinfectant.
Donald Trump turns to the DHS official William Bryan during the briefing at which the president extolled the virtues of ingesting disinfectant. Photograph: White House/Zuma Wire/Rex/Shutterstock
But Trump – in his attempt at damage limitation – gamely pressed on. The Reuters reporter Jeff Mason asked if Trump wanted to clarify that he was being sarcastic and ensure no one misunderstood him.

He replied: “Yes. I do think that disinfectant on the hands could have a very good effect. Now, Bill is going back to check that in the laboratory. You know, it’s an amazing laboratory, by the way. It’s amazing the work they do.”

One more time, Mason gamely pressed: “Just to clarify, you’re not encouraging Americans to inject disinfectant?”

Trump: “No. Of course not. Interior-wise, it was said sarcastically. It was put in the form of a question to a group of extraordinarily hostile people, namely the fake news media.”

But Trump’s familiar turf of attacking the media was not working. In the middle of a pandemic, with Americans dying in their hundreds every day, the leader of the administration trying to guide the nation back to safety and normality had put even more lives at risk. His jumbled, inaccurate assertions only deepened concerns about Trump’s embrace of flawed science that could endanger public health.

Scott Gottlieb, Trump’s own former Food and Drug Administration director, was among those many people now forced to warn Americans not to follow their own president’s advice. He told a CNBC interviewer: “I think we need to speak very clearly. There’s no circumstance under which you should take a disinfectant or inject a disinfectant for the treatment of anything, and certainly not the treatment of coronavirus.”

The scandal exploded just a day after a New York Times report that detailed how Trump is coping with the pressures and isolation caused by the coronavirus pandemic. In a lengthy piece it portrayed a US president who has become cut off from many of his former friends and associates as he lives and works in the White House, unable to leave and travel and hold the campaign rallies that he appears to crave.

It described Trump bingeing on cable news for many hours each morning and often late into the night, surveying the wreckage of a once-booming economy that he had planned on being the main plank of his reelection strategy.

Debacle of Trump's coronavirus disinfectant comments could be tipping point | US news | The Guardian

A bit of Sunday reading.

As his administration grapples with reopening the economy and responding to the coronavirus crisis, President Trump worries about his re-election and how the news media is portraying him.

WASHINGTON — President Trump arrives in the Oval Office these days as late as noon, when he is usually in a sour mood after his morning marathon of television.

He has been up in the White House master bedroom as early as 5 a.m. watching Fox News, then CNN, with a dollop of MSNBC thrown in for rage viewing. He makes calls with the TV on in the background, his routine since he first arrived at the White House.

But now there are differences.

The president sees few allies no matter which channel he clicks. He is angry even with Fox, an old security blanket, for not portraying him as he would like to be seen. And he makes time to watch Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s briefings from New York, closely monitoring for a sporadic compliment or snipe.

Confined to the White House, the president is isolated from the supporters, visitors, travel and golf that once entertained him, according to more than a dozen administration officials and close advisers who spoke about Mr. Trump’s strange new life. He is tested weekly, as is Vice President Mike Pence, for Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

The economy — Mr. Trump’s main case for re-election — has imploded. News coverage of his handling of the coronavirus has been overwhelmingly negative as Democrats have condemned him for a lack of empathy, honesty and competence in the face of a pandemic. Even Republicans have criticized Mr. Trump’s briefings as long-winded and his rough handling of critics as unproductive.

His own internal polling shows him sliding in some swing states, a major reason he declared a temporary halt to the issuance of green cards to those outside the United States. The executive order — watered down with loopholes after an uproar from business groups — was aimed at pleasing his political base, people close to him said, and was the kind of move Mr. Trump makes when things feel out of control. Friends who have spoken to him said he seemed unsettled and worried about losing the election.

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But the president’s primary focus, advisers said, is assessing how his performance on the virus is measured in the news media, and the extent to which history will blame him.

“He’s frustrated,” said Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Mr. Trump who was the president’s pick to sit on the Federal Reserve Board before his history of sexist comments and lack of child support payments surfaced. “It’s like being hit with a meteor.

Mr. Trump frequently vents about how he is portrayed. He was enraged by an article this month in which his health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, was said to have warned Mr. Trump in January about the possibility of a pandemic. Mr. Trump was upset that he was being blamed while Mr. Azar was portrayed in a more favorable light, aides said. The president told friends that he assumed Mr. Azar was working the news media to try to save his own reputation at the expense of Mr. Trump’s.

Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, disputed that the president’s focus was on his news coverage, but said in a statement that “President Trump’s highest priority is the health and safety of the American people.”

Aides said the president’s low point was in mid-March, when Mr. Trump, who had dismissed the virus as “one person coming in from China” and no worse than the flu, saw deaths and infections from Covid-19 rising daily. Mike Lindell, a Trump donor campaign surrogate and the chief executive of MyPillow, visited the White House later that month and said the president seemed so glum that Mr. Lindell pulled out his phone to show him a text message from a Democratic-voting friend of his who thought Mr. Trump was doing a good job.

Mr. Lindell said Mr. Trump perked up after hearing the praise. “I just wanted to give him a little confidence,” Mr. Lindell said.

The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Mr. Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.

Mr. Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can no longer attend but craves.

Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.

The briefing’s critics, including Mr. Cuomo, have pointed out the obvious: With two hours of the president’s day dedicated to hosting what is still referred to as a prime-time news briefing, who is going to actually fix the pandemic?

Even Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the experts appointed to advise the president on the best way to handle the outbreak, has complained that the amount of time he must spend onstage in the briefings each day has a “draining” effect on him.

They have the opposite effect on the president. How he arrived at them was almost an accident.

Mr. Trump became enraged watching the coverage of his 10-minute Oval Office address in March that was rife with inaccuracies and had little in terms of action for him to announce. He complained to aides that there were few people on television willing to defend him.

The solution, aides said, came two days later, when Mr. Trump appeared in the Rose Garden to declare a national emergency and answer questions from reporters. As he admonished journalists for asking “nasty” questions, Mr. Trump found the back-and-forth he had been missing. The virus had not been a perfect enemy — it was impervious to his browbeating — but baiting and attacking reporters energized him.

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” Mr. Trump told White House correspondents in answer to one question.

His first news conference in the briefing room took place the next day, on a Saturday, after Mr. Trump arrived unannounced in the Situation Room, wearing a polo shirt and baseball cap, and told the group he planned to attend the briefing and watch from a chair on the side. When aides told him that reporters would simply yell questions at him, even if he was not on the small stage, he agreed to take the podium. He has not looked back since.

When Mr. Trump finishes up 90 or more minutes later, he heads back to the Oval Office to watch the end of the briefings on TV and compare notes with whoever is around from his inner circle.

Trump and the Coronavirus: A Sour President, Home Alone at the White House - The New York Times

Looks like diddums has taken it badly, he's cancelled his briefings.

Which considering they're a waste of fucking time anyway is no loss really.

Good skit, Late Late show...

Found it painfully unfunny, myself.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Found it painfully unfunny, myself.

Bout par for the course it seems..

Originally Posted by cyrille

Found it painfully unfunny, myself.

Think how we feel reading your posts

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by EKG
why are some people so obsessed and angry that they virtually make a career out of continually berating trump. first time i heard the expression tds it seemed like a passing joke but to my astonishment for some it has become a lifestyle if not a career path. is it just on social media or do they trade trump trashing with their wives, husbands, children, etc etc. organize social gatherings (pre C19) to learn new bashing terms. no matter how terrible one may think a politician is this behavior imo is pathologic.

would it not be more fruitful to spend the time and effort to simply ascertain and support a candidate that can beat him in the election?
It's like a trumpanzee who has actually bothered to read the manual.

But still a trumpanzee.

basically your reply is an insult/derogatory term that you believe bothers me.

try a reply based upon critical thinking instead

Originally Posted by EKG

Common Vaccine ingredients:

Thimerosal - DISINFECTANT
Formaldehyde- DISINFECTANT

oops

Link please ...

Vaccine ingredients

• Aluminium, an adjuvant.
• MF59 (squalene oil), an adjuvant.
• Thiomersal, also called Thimerosal.
• Gelatine.
• Sorbitol and other stabilisers.
• Emulsifiers.
• Taste improvers.

Aug 30, 2019

Further ...

Thiomersal, also called thimerosal in the US (a preservative)
Thiomersal is a mercury-based preservative used in tiny quantities in some vaccines to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi which can contaminate from the environment when the vaccine is opened.


Most single-dose vaccines do not contain thiomersal because they are used only once and so there is very little risk of contamination. However, some vaccines are produced in multi-dose vials.
There are two reasons for this: they are cheaper, and they are easier to produce quickly in large quantities in the event of an epidemic.
Tiny quantities of thiomersal are often used in multi-dose vaccines to stop them becoming contaminated once they are opened.

In the US, UK and Europe, thiomersal was removed from vaccines as a precaution. This was in line with the global goal of reducing environmental exposure to mercury from all sources.

Formaldehyde and Glutaraldehyde

Formaldehyde is an organic compound found naturally in many living things.

The human body produces and uses formaldehyde as part of the process of metabolism.
The amount of natural formaldehyde in a 2-month-old infant’s blood (around 1.1 milligrams in total) is ten times greater than the amount found in any vaccine (less than 0.1 milligrams).
A pear contains around 50 times more formaldehyde than is found in any vaccine.

So EKG ... your slurs are debugged ... now fuck off and retire to your next TRUMP rally.
Stay close to everyone, lick the windows

Vaccine ingredients | Vaccine Knowledge

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Originally Posted by EKG
Common Vaccine ingredients:

Thimerosal - DISINFECTANT
Formaldehyde- DISINFECTANT

oops
Link please ...

Vaccine ingredients

Aluminium, an adjuvant.
MF59 (squalene oil), an adjuvant.
Thiomersal, also called Thimerosal.
Gelatine.
Sorbitol and other stabilisers.
Emulsifiers.
Taste improvers.

Aug 30, 2019
Further ...

Thiomersal, also called thimerosal in the US (a preservative)
Thiomersal is a mercury-based preservative used in tiny quantities in some vaccines to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi which can contaminate from the environment when the vaccine is opened.


Most single-dose vaccines do not contain thiomersal because they are used only once and so there is very little risk of contamination. However, some vaccines are produced in multi-dose vials.
There are two reasons for this: they are cheaper, and they are easier to produce quickly in large quantities in the event of an epidemic.
Tiny quantities of thiomersal are often used in multi-dose vaccines to stop them becoming contaminated once they are opened.

In the US, UK and Europe, thiomersal was removed from vaccines as a precaution. This was in line with the global goal of reducing environmental exposure to mercury from all sources.
Formaldehyde and Glutaraldehyde

Formaldehyde is an organic compound found naturally in many living things.

The human body produces and uses formaldehyde as part of the process of metabolism.
The amount of natural formaldehyde in a 2-month-old infant’s blood (around 1.1 milligrams in total) is ten times greater than the amount found in any vaccine (less than 0.1 milligrams).
A pear contains around 50 times more formaldehyde than is found in any vaccine.
So EKG ... your slurs are debugged ... now fuck off and retire to your next TRUMP rally.
Stay close to everyone, lick the windows

Vaccine ingredients | Vaccine Knowledge

your selective information does not make what i posted untrue.

that you posted Thimerosal was banned in some countries bolsters what i said

you also posted that formaldehyde, a known disinfectant is added to some injectable medicine/vaccines albeit is reduced concentrations thus adding a known disinfectant to an injectable is acceptable in the medical/ biotech industry just not acceptable if the object of your hatred mumbles it.

fyi i have never attended a trump rally nor have any desire to do so.

nor do i have any desire to use foul language you choose to use on what i believe should be a civil discussion.

First impression last long..

Oh god this spastic is actually trying to justify the orange morons comments about injecting antiseptic? The gods are crying at the utter stupidity of these trumpanzees.

Originally Posted by bsnub

spastic

American humour?

^
too close to the bone?

Originally Posted by raycarey

too close to the bone?

he is scottish , so of course he is disabled