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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    drumpf in one easy chart
    And it could be expanded . . . generally a vile human being

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    This pandemic is Trump’s Vietnam. He has earned his bone spurs.
    By Dana Milbank (WaPo)
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    President Bonespurs finally gets to fight a war. Unfortunately for us, he’s re-fighting the Vietnam War.

    In his ambivalent battle against the pandemic, President Trump has managed to repeat, in just a few months, the same mistakes that took three administrations more than a decade to make in Vietnam: ignoring experts’ warnings, running a confused war effort, spreading disinformation, silencing truth-tellers and squandering the prestige of the most powerful nation on Earth.

    Five deferments, including one for bone spurs, kept Trump from fighting in the real thing. He later described his dating life as “the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam” and avoiding STDs “my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.” Because he attended a military-themed boarding school, he “always felt that I was in the military.”

    Now, with the novel coronavirus spreading, Trump embraces a new military role: “A number of people have said it, and I feel it, actually. I’m a wartime president.”

    Some call the pandemic Trump’s Katrina or Trump’s Iraq War. But in terms of American lives that will be lost, this is far greater than both. This may be the most consequential failure of government since Vietnam, in which 58,000 Americans and countless Vietnamese died.

    During the Vietnam War, as the New Yorker’s Susan Glasser pointed out, the U.S. military’s daily briefings from Saigon, full of false claims about progress, were dubbed the Five O’Clock Follies. Trump seems unaware of this ignominy when he holds daily briefings full of false claims and dubious medical advice — typically scheduled for 5 p.m.

    Vietnam-era leaders from President Lyndon Johnson down spoke falsely of the “steady” and “dramatic” war progress, and, most famously, as my colleague Karen Tumulty noted, of the “light at the end of the tunnel.” Trump, whose rosy predictions about vaccines and antidotes are routinely contradicted by his experts, has recently announced, repeatedly, “light at the end of the tunnel.”

    The similarities are substantive, too. In the Vietnam era, civilian leaders ignored the military and intelligence warnings that the war would end in stalemate or worse. Trump in January and February failed to take action on intelligence showing the threat posed to the United States by the pandemic. Likewise, he didn’t heed alarms sounded by White House official Peter Navarro, who pleaded in January and February for a massive response, and accurately warned that the virus could put millions of lives in jeopardy and cost trillions of dollars.

    Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara refused to authorize the troops military leaders said they needed. Trump has similarly resisted governors’ pleas for ventilators. “The president says it’s a war,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo complained. “Well, then, act like it’s a war!”

    The Nixon administration moved forcefully to punish and to discredit those who revealed the grim truth about the war, even trying to steal psychiatric records of Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg. Trump has sidelined inspectors general for the Pentagon and the CIA, and his acting Navy secretary (who has since been forced out) dismissed as “too naive or too stupid” the commander of an aircraft carrier. The commander’s offense: revealing dire conditions aboard his ship, where more than 170 have the virus.

    H.R. McMaster, before becoming one of the four people to serve (so far) as Trump’s national security adviser, argued that Johnson’s mistake was to view Vietnam as a danger to his “domestic, political goals.” Johnson resisted calls to use overwhelming force in favor of “gradualism” because he didn’t want antiwar opposition to ruin his domestic agenda.

    Trump, similarly, has chafed at attempts to mitigate the virus, saying “the cure is worse than the problem,” and for a time attempting to “reopen” the economy by Easter. He still resists a national stay-at-home policy because of political and economic consequences, giving sanctuary to the virus. The Georgia governor forces beaches to reopen against the wishes of local leaders; the Florida governor lets megachurches have their mega-gatherings.

    Anthony Fauci, the federal government’s top epidemiologist, says “I just don’t understand” the failure to have a nationwide directive. But this is war, and, as Trump famously said, he knows more “than the generals.” We pay for his bumbling with lives lost unnecessarily.

    This war will be won. But the most enduring consequence of Vietnam — a loss of national prestige — has been repeated. While other nations display competence, the United States, with the highest caseload in the world, asks for help from other countries. We receive relief supplies from Russia. The superpower that once led the world, the richest nation on Earth with the most vaunted medical expertise, has been brought to its knees by poor leadership.

    For this, Trump has earned his bone spurs.
    Majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    mistakes that took three administrations more than a decade to make in Vietnam: ignoring experts’ warnings, running a confused war effort, spreading disinformation, silencing truth-tellers and squandering the prestige of the most powerful nation on Earth.
    Yes, yes, there is always something what is to be blamed or somebody (what for we have the POTUSes carefully selected and elected?).

    Otherwise, everything would fare with the best results...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbound View Post
    Still waiting for you to justify this moronic quote.

    Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Warned of Coronavirus Pandemic in January - The New York Times

    A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.


    The warning, written in a memo by Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, is the highest-level alert known to have circulated inside the West Wing.


    Donald Trump on March 6th: “This was an unforeseen problem, that came out of nowhere.”


    That is doing a great job?

    The man literally has blood on his hands because of his ineptitude.
    you are hyperventilating, Trump is not responsible for COVID-19, nothing he could have done would have changed anything, and the virus don't listen to Trump on TV for guidance

    actually the virus doesn't even listen to any world leaders, and doesn't care about confinement

    Trump original idea was the best, he simply caved in to his scared politics advisors, the best course was to act like nothing is happening, aka the Swedish model.
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    The real reason Trump is obsessed with hydroxychloroquine

    And it's not because he owns stock in a company that makes it as you may have thought.
    A good read and take on Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...xychloroquine/

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    Desperately thrashing about looking for a scapegoat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    And it's not because he owns stock in a company that makes it as you may have thought.
    A good read and take on Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...xychloroquine/

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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Can you copy and post the text? All I get is a big subsribe now banner.
    Sorry, me as well now. Shouldn't have been so lazy last night when it opened.
    Anyway the upshot is it's because he wants to say he knows more than the experts and he gets his information from quacks and charletons and gets into a feedback loop with fox, where he'll say something he heard or that he thinks, fox will pick it up then he'll see it on fox, reinforcing his belief.
    Pretty retarded stuff but made sense the way they put it. (much more elegantly and thorough than I)
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    a feedback loop with fox, where he'll say something he heard or that he thinks, fox will pick it up then he'll see it on fox, reinforcing his belief.
    Yup, as evidenced since day one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    And it's not because he owns stock in a company that makes it as you may have thought.
    A good read and take on Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...xychloroquine/
    It doesn't stop there.

    President Donald Trump on Sunday once again touted the potential life-saving benefits of treating coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, a powerful anti-malaria drug, despite a dearth of medical professionals or clinical evidence supporting his claims. It just so happens that one of the largest manufacturers of the drug, Novartis, previously paid Trump’s now-incarcerated former personal attorney Michael Cohen more than $1 million for healthcare policy insight following Trump’s election in 2016.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/major-producer-of-hydroxychloroquine-once-paid-michael-cohen-hefty-sum-for-access-to-trump/ar-BB12eeHz



    And Giuliani, who has been ferverishly pushing this snake oil on Fox, invested $2m in Novartis in February.

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    Can you copy and post the text? All I get is a big subsribe now banner.
    One of the most bizarre and disturbing aspects of President Trump’s nightly press briefings on the coronavirus pandemic is when he turns into a drug salesman. Like a cable TV pitchman hawking “male enhancement” pills, Trump regularly extols the virtues of taking hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria and lupus, as a potential “game changer” that just might cure covid-19.
    On Saturday, he even said: “I think people should — if it were me — in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it. Okay? I may take it.” I’m not only the president of the Hair Club for Men, I’m also a client.


    But the evidence that hydroxychloroquine could actually be an effective treatment is, at this point, extremely thin. Might it be some kind of aid in treating the disease, for some patients? Yes, it’s possible. But Trump’s enthusiasm for it is so out of proportion, and so relentless, that one has to ask: What the heck is going on here?


    Some people are inclined to believe that Trump must have a financial motive, and the New York Times did report that he owns some stock in Sanofi, a company that makes the name-brand version of the drug. But I doubt that’s what’s at work. Instead, I think there are two reasons Trump is working so hard to convince everyone that hydroxychloroquine is a miracle cure, neither of which are about Trump’s own bank account.


    The first is that Trump is listening to all the wrong people. We know that he finds those with advanced degrees extremely intimidating, activating his contempt and envy for experts. So when all the doctors and public health experts and epidemiologists tell him that while we can look into the potential of hydroxychloroquine, there’s no reason to think it’s going to be transformative, it makes him more, not less, convinced that it must be spectacular.




    Trump compensates for his own insecurity by working to convince himself and everyone else that the experts don’t know what they’re talking about, and he knows more than them about everything. As he said in an appearance at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.” The scientists standing with him neither burst out in laughter nor began weeping uncontrollably, a tribute to their self-control.


    So who is he listening to? Here’s an excerpt from a recent New York Times article:
    Mr. Trump first expressed interest in hydroxychloroquine a few weeks ago, telling associates that Mr. [Larry] Ellison, a billionaire and a founder of Oracle, had discussed it with him. At the time, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the host of television’s “The Doctor Oz Show,” was in touch with Mr. Trump’s advisers about expediting approval to use the drug for the coronavirus.
    Mr. [Rudolph] Giuliani has urged Mr. Trump to embrace the drug, based in part on the advice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a self-described simple country doctor who has become a hit on conservative media after administering a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate.
    So: Trump is getting his medical advice from CEOs, a TV doctor who has been assailed for promoting “quack treatments,” and Giuliani. One of Giuliani’s main sources of information on this topic is a guy who runs a company providing medical supplies to cruise ships and who was once sentenced to a year in jail for extorting Steven Seagal.
    Supplementing this medical dream team, Fox News and other conservative media have been relentlessly hyping hydroxychloroquine, both on the air and in person. As The Post reports:
    Fox host Laura Ingraham and two doctors who are regular on-air guests in what she dubs her ‘medicine cabinet’ visited the White House last Friday for a private meeting with Trump to talk up the drug.
    This creates a feedback loop with Trump’s brain: He talks about it so Fox talks about it, and he watches them talk about it and becomes more convinced that he’s right about it.


    But that’s only a partial explanation for Trump’s enthusiasm for hydroxychloroquine. The most important factor is that he’s desperate, he wants to come out of this a hero and it’s the only drug he’s heard of that might give him the opportunity.


    The election is seven months away. We’re facing a public health crisis that could kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, and the economy has been put into a medically induced coma. Even if our social distancing measures are successful and we can restart somewhat normal life in a couple of months, it may take years for the economy to fully recover.
    The Opinions section is looking for stories of how the coronavirus has affected people of all walks of life. Write to us.
    And even before the pandemic, Trump’s chances at reelection were probably 50-50, given his historic unpopularity and the steady demographic shifts that have made the country even younger and more diverse than it was four years ago when he squeaked out an electoral college victory despite getting 3 million fewer votes than his opponent.


    Looking across that landscape, Trump needs a miracle if he’s going to get reelected, and he knows it. Or more precisely, a miracle cure.


    If Trump can claim that he personally defeated covid-19, then he might just win. If hydroxychloroquine somehow turns out to be an effective treatment, he can point to all the time he spent promoting it while others were skeptical and say, “I did it, America. I saved all your lives, because I’m a genius and the so-called experts are idiots.”


    That is the outcome Trump is hoping for. Is it spectacularly unlikely? Of course. But at this point it may be his only hope of reelection.

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    That article only reaffirms that the Donald, is the wolds greatest snake oil salesman.

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    it's hardly consequential, he is doing his show, nobody cares, only anti-Trump hysterical idiots and his retarded fans are listening to what he is saying

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    Trump's self-interest is at odds with safe coronavirus policy

    The deadly rampage of coronavirus across the United States has pitted President Donald Trump’s self-interest in maximizing his chances of winning a second term against the safety of the American public.

    When Trump leaves office, the protection that prevents a president from being criminally indicted will be gone. Even before his impeachment, legal experts
    found ample support for the belief that Trump would be indicted upon departing the White House. The Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s Office has already essentially named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in a campaign finance fraud scheme that saw his personal attorney, Michael Cohen, sentenced to three years in prison.

    This means Trump is almost certainly working overtime, figuring out how he can avoid indictment after leaving office.

    The statute of limitations for most crimes is five years. Though there is a tolling argument that could be made, the better bet is that another term in office would run out the clock on many of Trump’s alleged crimes, including the New York Cohen case in which prosecutors have alleged Trump to be
    both instigator and beneficiary.

    President Barack Obama handed Trump a growing economy, and its continued upward trajectory — as well as the ongoing devotion of his base — has been largely responsible for Trump’s white-knuckled grip on a presidency that might otherwise have fallen to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and impeachment.

    Medical experts, including the National Institute of Health’s Dr. Anthony Fauci, have insisted that shelter-in-place is the best way to “flatten the curve” of the coronavirus’s exponential killing spree. While home isolation dramatically reduces the transmission of COVID-19, its economic cost is devastating. Sounding the recession alarm, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has said the coronavirus has led the economy into “uncharted territory.”

    If the economy stays below sea level, there will likely be a return to the Bush-era recession — or worse.

    There is a slice of voters who supported Trump in 2016 who could be convinced to vote for a Democrat if the economy continues to falter. This has not been lost on the president. Fearing a free-fall, Trump began laying the groundwork to end home sheltering. Last month, he tweeted — in all caps — “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF.” And two weeks ago, he told Fox News he wanted the economy back in gear and churches “packed” by Easter, April 12.

    Sending people back to work is the best way to jumpstart the economy; it’s also the best way to spread the coronavirus.

    And so there is an inherent conflict between Trump doing all he can to protect American lives by supporting continued shelter-in-place orders, and doing all he can to rev the economy as a way of supporting his re-election campaign — and the immunity from indictment that comes with an extended residency in the White House.

    Public pushback from medical experts and governors made Trump reconsider his push to “open the country up.” Photos of makeshift morgues, videos of bodies being loaded into trucks, and predictions of 2.2 million deaths if home sheltering is not continued, helped convince Trump to extend social distancing measures until April 30.

    While the immediate danger of Trump’s wish for “packed” public events has passed, it is a mistake to think he finally respects the health risk posed by this virus and is committed to doing all he can to mitigate it. It should not be long before Trump redirects his effort to resume the course he previously charted: people back to work and a growing economy, despite the human toll.

    With any other president, we could default to the belief that he has the country’s best interests at heart. But if a Trump presidency has taught us anything, it is that Donald Trump’s first allegiance is — and always will be — to himself. Instead of using this existential crisis to bring people together, Trump has tried to take down anyone who criticizes his botched response to the pandemic, while simultaneously heaping undeserved praise on himself.

    Trump absolved his failure to supply hospitals with adequate medical supplies by repeatedly implying that exhausted healthcare workers were stealing surgical masks (and apparently selling them on the black market).

    And always looking to leverage a quid pro quo — in deed if not in word — Trump suggested that governors should withhold any criticism and instead be publicly “appreciative” in order to get life-saving federal medical supplies for their hospitalized citizens.

    During his almost four years in office, Trump has proved to be a divining rod that can reliably find and effectuate the worst possible response to nearly any situation. If the past is any predictor of the future, we should brace ourselves for carnage.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...navirus-policy

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    As in the northern countries - where always the winter has asked the people: what did you done in the summer? - in any country (however exceptional and rich can be) the question will linger: what did you done for your health precaution?

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    it's amazing how Trump administration is much more engaged than GW Bush and Obama combined, and yet he is being shat on just because he likes to entertain people in his press conf

    GW Bush was very secretive, and look what damages he created by being "absent" on the job. Obama was too ambitious and accomplished nothing at the end.

    Trump is doing far better IMO, even though he is a bit controversial in his methods

    and you snowflakes come crying like little bitches, where were you in 2003 and 2011 when political abuses were really rampant in the WH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Trump is doing far better IMO
    How's that wall going that Mexico is going to pay for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    How's that wall going that Mexico is going to pay for?
    it was a toy project, did it happen? no, so what are you complaining about, snowflake

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    How's that wall going
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    And how much has Mexico paid to date...?


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    ^^

    Total shit post. Show the source of that graphic. A 2,000-mile boarder and the longest project is 94 miles (151.28 km) and not even fully complete.


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    a complete load of shit.

    it's barely 5%.

    the border is 1,950 miles long.

    as of january, trump has only constructed 100 miles after three years in office.




    Trump administration announces completion of 100 miles of border wall construction - ABC News

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    who cares about the wall, it's a political gadget for libtards to hyperventilate so they don't address the real issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    who cares about the wall,
    You and the inbred Trumptards

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    it's a political gadget for libtards to hyperventilate so they don't address the real issues
    Like impeachment, lawsuits and so many other things. Just because you and the Trump apologists can't focus on more than one issue at a time doesn't mean others are the same.



    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    And how much has Mexico paid to date...?
    Ummmm . . . . that would be a big zero, not that Trump-supporters know as long as the old 'USA USA USA' is shouted from the rooftops

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    Fucking hell, baldy orange cunto really is scrabbling for scapegoats if he's going after VOA!



    On Thursday, the Donald Trump administration lashed out at the U.S Congress-funded broadcaster Voice of America (VoA), blasting it as "Chinese propaganda" for covering the lifting of the lockdown in Wuhan. The move is confusing, because the organization is essentially dedicated to promoting a pro-American view of the world and supporting the nation's foreign policy, as its name and portfolio obviously suggests. Yet for the White House, a scathing critic of the U.S mainstream media, this doesn't appear to be good enough and it blasted the 200-million-U.S.-dollar annual budget spent on the organization. The organization defended itself by saying it believes in showing "both sides of the story."

    The fact that the administration should single out a public broadcaster like VoA and accuse it of pro-China bias is a damning indignation as to how far this administration has lost its mind on Beijing, but most especially with the COVID-19 crisis brewing at home when he is looking to play a given blame game. Whilst attacking a given news outlet is a well-worn Trump populist tactic, the pathogen has set the administration in doubling down on an all-embracing vilification of Beijing in order to distract from its own woes. This specific attack was rooted from the fact that it shows Wuhan returning to normal, a fact which contrasts sharply to the chaos in America and questions the claim that China failed to handle the virus well and thus exposes the president's fragile ground.

    Trump's attacks on the mainstream media are a long established trait of his presidency. He enjoys describing outlets that do not suit his vision as "fake news" and lashing out against them on Twitter, it is a populist talking point which serves to deflect from criticism of himself. Voice of America, however, is in uncharted territory, simply because this is an outlet that is founded by the U.S government in order to amplify a pro-American view of the world. In this case, it is truly bizarre that this outlet of all things, would be accused of being "pro-China" in its disposition.

    But this outburst is more a statement of how things are in the U.S. The outlet is being accused because it showed a scene in Wuhan of the lockdown lifting. For the Trump administration, this alone represents a serious challenge to the narrative because it reflects the obvious reality that China has overcome the virus quickly and successfully, in contrast to the ambition by the administration to portray Beijing's response as disastrous and a cover-up which downplayed the death toll. As a result, VoA's reporting unintentionally stands in significant contrast to a disastrous situation in the United States which now extends to over a half a million cases and 20,000 deaths.

    This signifies China handled it better, and therefore Trump is not happy as this scenario exposes his own political weakness and negligence which has created the situation in the U.S.


    Given this, it is not a surprise that Trump sees an opportunity in not only deflecting further from the American situation but also weaponizing the 200 million U.S. dollars in taxpayers' money being used to fund the broadcaster to whip up public anger against it and thus bolster populist support in the bid for his re-election. As has been the case before, the president sees an opportunity in positioning himself as representing ordinary American people against Washington elites and of course "China" by calling out those who are being "unpatriotic" to his cause. In turn, he can then claim he is forcing these broadcasters to do a better job for the money that is invested in them, by making them more "anti-China."


    Thus, as a whole, Trump's criticism of VoA is bizarre and deranged, but it is also a projection of his own insecurity on handling the outbreak. The president's strategy to overcome criticism for his COVID-19 response is essentially rooted in offloading blame to Beijing, but for that to work the prevailing narrative that China's own response was botched has to go unquestioned. Thus, for a taxpayer-funded outlet such as VoA to inadvertently challenge that has added to the president's own fury and thus he has unfairly criticized it as being pro-China only for showing that Wuhan has reopened. This is concerning as it reveals the administration is unhinged and anxious, and the worse the situation becomes in America and the longer it lasts, ultimately the more vicious the blame game is going to become, even to the point that ultra-partisan organizations in favor of America end up accused.
    The Voice of America attacks reveal Trump's desperation to deflect - CGTN

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