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    Oh FFS, GW Bush was far more stupid and did far more damages to the US than Trump and Obama combined,

    Obama alone was famous for being a great manipulator and a liar and barely made it to 2012 as he was so 'popular' with his pretentious lecturing while doing absolutely fuck all in the WH for change. No fooking balls. He is the real reason for Trump in the WH.

    Clinton was a great liar and manipulator, and yet was probably the last best POTUS of the 20th century

    you want to be a leader, you have to be a liar, and Trump is delivering, and you fooks know it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Oh FFS, GW Bush was far more stupid and did far more damages to the US than Trump and Obama combined,
    Debatable and, not sure if you've noticed or not, but Dubbya has been out of office for over 11 years now.

    And besides which if your defense of Trump boils down to 'this idiot was a bigger idiot' then that somewhat undermines your claims that Trump is a genius. Innit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Debatable and, not sure if you've noticed or not, but Dubbya has been out of office for over 11 years now.
    debatable? Iraq war rings a bell? with the domino effect we are still suffering today, and it keeps coming, now 20 years of cahos and wars. That has now permanently damaged the US and the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    And besides which if your defense of Trump boils down to 'this idiot was a bigger idiot' then that somewhat undermines your claims that Trump is a genius. Innit.

    yep, and yet that doesn't stop from using that same argument that Trump is an idiot. He is not the biggest idiot as you like to claim

    Trump is a natural genius, a survivor, beating the odds against all, and that word is a great trigger for anti-Trump snowflakes

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    No matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd.

    Trump has had every conceivable opportunity and advantage possible in life handed to him on a silver platter and he still finds ways to routinely fuck them up.

    Trump is an imbecile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    No matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd.

    Trump has had every conceivable opportunity and advantage possible in life handed to him on a silver platter and he still finds ways to routinely fuck them up.

    Trump is an imbecile.
    disagree, he won the POTUS election, despite being the underdog

    plenty of people have had the same chances as he did, and never did anything in their life. At least he is trying, even if he fails, he keeps going. Young Trump was a better person than he is now, but that's the problem when you get old, you become worse

    maybe an imbecile in your world, but in the real one, he is a survivor and a leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Oh FFS, GW Bush was far more stupid and did far more damages to the US than Trump and Obama combined,

    Obama alone was famous for being a great manipulator and a liar and barely made it to 2012 as he was so 'popular' with his pretentious lecturing while doing absolutely fuck all in the WH for change. No fooking balls. He is the real reason for Trump in the WH.

    Clinton was a great liar and manipulator, and yet was probably the last best POTUS of the 20th century

    you want to be a leader, you have to be a liar, and Trump is delivering, and you fooks know it

    The money spent on the election and the effort of all the powers behind that showcase for the population is never in vain...

    Perhaps some had had the idea that they can change something, however, they had been very early directed onto the correct road map - there are ways...

    It seems that Trump with his high ego and some powerful friends tries much more than any POTUS before his own way against the main stream...

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    It has killed thousands, sown widespread fear and disruption and caused the worst day for Wall Street since the 2008 financial crisis. One man, however, is not panicking about the coronavirus. Donald Trump just spent two successive days on the golf course.

    Even for a US president who has made a habit of denialism – from global heating to the size of Barack Obama’s inauguration crowd – the current crisis is raising the bar. One headline on Monday described it as “Trump’s Chernobyl”, a reference to the Soviet nuclear disaster that authorities could not censor away.


    The commander-in-chief’s past attempts to bend reality to his will have often been met with derision or mirth. But this time it is hardly an exaggeration to say thousands of lives are at stake. The international crisis that many feared would test his norm-busting presidency has arrived.


    “Denial, accusation, distraction, lies – these are his four principal responses to any rival,” said Gwenda Blair, a Trump biographer. “Only this time it’s not a person. When you think of that model, it doesn’t work with germs. A tweet doesn’t knock over a potential global pandemic.”


    At a Fox News town hall last week, Trump was reminded that he is a “self-proclaimed germaphobe”. Blair added: “He’s been quite the germaphobe for many decades. One time I interviewed him he said, ‘You’re lucky I shook your hand.’ In the election campaign and Oval Office, it was hard for him to not shake hands but we can be sure there was a bottle of Purell nearby.”


    Trump has contradicted experts to downplay the coronavirus threat, perhaps not least because it could hurt him in a presidential election year. He has inaccurately claimed that a vaccine will be available soon, that anyone who wants a test can get one and that the virus will be killed off by the spring weather. “A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat – as the heat comes in,” he said last month. “Typically, that will go away in April.”


    And despite years of warnings from scientists that a pandemic would come someday, Trump has reduced the the White House national security staff and cut jobs addressing global pandemics. He has sought to portray the coronavirus as a bolt from the blue. “Who would have thought?’ he asked during a visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta. “Who would have thought we would even be having the subject?’”


    When reality does not fit, Trump tries to find a workaround. Visiting the CDC while wearing a red “Keep America Great” cap, he suggested he would prefer that people exposed to the virus on a cruise ship be left aboard so they would not inflate the national total. “I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault ... I’d rather have them stay on, personally.”


    The blasé president spent the weekend playing golf in Florida, then began Monday fundraising for his re-election before making a fleeting appearance at a White House briefing. On Twitter, he continued to deny the impact of the virus on tumbling stocks: “Saudi Arabia and Russia are arguing over the price and flow of oil. That, and the Fake News, is the reason for the market drop!”


    He also continued to express “nothing to see here” views out of step with the public mood. “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu,” he wrote. “It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”


    Trump has had a history of defying political conventions but the game is up
    Larry Jacobs, University of Minnesota
    Trump has also accused Democrats of seeking to exploit the virus for political gain. Such comments have caused dismay among public health officials. Critics say the president is clearly out of his depth.


    Rick Wilson, a co-founder of the Lincoln Project and author of Everything Trump Touches Dies, said: “When Trump is confronted with something that doesn’t follow him on Twitter, that doesn’t watch him on Fox News and doesn’t come to his rallies, he’s lost.


    “Trump is a day trader. He runs out every morning and throws whatever he’s got in his head against the wall. It does not do the country a service when he is strongly inclined to believe his own bullshit.”


    Wilson, who has experience in crisis management, described the president’s response so far as “the usual Trumpian irresponsibility and mendacity in one package”. He added: “Presidents get judged not on the easy stuff but the hard stuff. He’s going to have people judging him on how he’s handled this. He has not inspired confidence.”


    Trump previously appeared blasé and uncaring when Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico. He memorably tossed paper towels into a crowd. But the coronavirus is on another scale altogether.


    Larry Jacobs, director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota, said: “Trump has had a history of defying political conventions but the game is up. He has made a colossal mistake with how he’s handling the coronavirus. He has put himself front and centre.


    “He has belittled experts, his administration has not made adequate preparations and he undermined existing precautions and steps that had been taken for just this emergency. His fingerprints are all over this.”


    Jacobs added: “Trump appears disconnected from reality. While every American is thinking about precautions and wondering about keeping their children home from school, Trump, by underplaying what’s going on, is detached from the reality that middle America is struggling with.”
    'A tweet can't knock over a pandemic': has Trump met his match in coronavirus? | World news | The Guardian

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    ˜He's gonna get us all killed: sense of unease after Trump coronavirus speech

    Donald Trump’s first Oval Office address – that almost sacred altar for US presidents on prime time television – came in January 2019 amid a partial government shutdown and asserted that only a border wall can keep out dangerous illegal immigrants.
    His second such address on Wednesday night was again couched in terms around the need to resist a foreign invasion that is someone else’s fault. The problem is that the coronavirus is already inside America and spreading.
    And the message was delivered by a 73-year-old man with a sniffing habit who did not seem to be a glowing picture of health nor entirely at ease reading from a TelePrompter. His bold assertion last week – “I like this stuff. I really get it … Maybe I have a natural ability.” – seemed even more incredible than before.


    Addresses to the nation from the Oval Office are meant to be defining moments for a president to act as commander in chief or consoler in chief. After the crew of the space shuttle Challenger perished in a disaster in 1986, Ronald Reagan promised: “We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and ‘slipped the surly bonds of earth’ to ‘touch the face of God’.”


    George W Bush made half a dozen Oval Office addresses, including on the night of the September 11 terrorist attacks. Barack Obama delivered three. Trump has typically resisted conventions – it has been exactly a year since the last White House press briefing – but even he finds some of them necessary or useful.


    On Wednesday he wore a blue suit, white shirt and blue patterned tie – not his favourite red. He also sported a stars and stripes pin and had hands his folded before him (he said nothing about the potential perils of shaking hands). His face looked undeniably orange. Behind him were framed photos, including portraits of his parents, and flags and gold curtains.


    At 9.02pm, Trump began as presidents so often do: “My fellow Americans.” But in the next breath, he reverted to his familiar us-versus-them nationalism, referring to the coronavirus outbreak “that started in China” and is now spreading throughout the world. “This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history.” Not just a virus. A foreign virus.


    The president touted his own sweeping travel restrictions on China and, far from expressing sympathy and solidarity with allies, argued the European Union “failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hotspots. As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe.”


    Trump announced the US will bebanning travelers from many European countries to the US for the next 30 days with exemptions for Americans, permanent residents and family of US citizens who have undergone screenings and, mysteriously, the UK, despite it having a higher caseload than some other European countries. Could Brexit be the new TSA PreCheck?


    The president then made an awful bungle. He said “these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval”. Such words could trigger global economic panic. Trump was forced to hastily clarify on Twitter: “... very important for all countries & businesses to know that trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods.”


    He went on to talk of the pathogen as if it was a foreign army or terrorist network. “The virus will not have a chance against us,” he said. “No nation is more prepared or more resilient than the United States.”


    And seen in the midst of an emergency, Trump could not resist some campaigning. “Because of the economic policies that we have put into place over the last three years, we have the greatest economy anywhere in the world by far,” he said.


    “This is not a financial crisis, this is just a temporary moment of time that we will overcome together as a nation and as a world.”


    Many observers found the address unreassuring and downright weird. Susan Glasser, a staff writer from the New Yorker, tweeted: “The militaristic, nationalistic language of Trump’s speech tonight is striking: a ‘foreign virus,’ keeping out China and Europe.”


    David Litt, who wrote speeches for Obama, posted: “As a former presidential speechwriter, my careful rhetorical analysis is that he’s gonna get us all killed.”


    Trump’s second Oval Office address was over in 10 minutes. Then a man off camera said: “We’re clear.” The president unbuttoned his jacket and exclaimed with relief: “OK!”


    To millions of viewers, it was anything but.
    ‘He’s gonna get us all killed’: sense of unease after Trump coronavirus speech | US news | The Guardian

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    when the media gets a moment to catch its breath (no pun intended), the trump administration is in for a world of hurt. there has been limited reporting about on how they've badly bungled the handling of this outbreak, and congressional investigations are sure to take place just before the election.

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    come on, there is nothing that Trump could do to stop the spread

    you are giving way too much credit to the job, he is simply Head of HR for Federal Agencies, his policies, like previous administration, are full of hot air and short on results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    come on, there is nothing that Trump could do to stop the spread
    Not being a bumbling moron that nobody can trust to tell the truth probably would've helped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    “This is not a financial crisis, this is just a temporary moment of time that we will overcome together as a nation and as a world.”
    True,but..
    Denmark just got closed down though, and it will cost us.

    All schools and daycare, pubs !!, the lot

    I'm grounded for 2 weeks as a beginning, untill the 30th

    Let's see what Trump comes up with

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    Travel ban from Europe is going to throw a spanner in the works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Not being a bumbling moron that nobody can trust to tell the truth probably would've helped.

    nobody believes a word he says, he is doing it for show, only stupid people takes him seriously, and that means anti-Trump snowflakes like bsnub and Trumpanzee believers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Travel ban from Europe is going to throw a spanner in the works.
    and it is not like the virus needs a passport to travel,

    will not work, contamination in the US could be hughe!!!
    Last edited by Dragonfly; 12-03-2020 at 08:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Travel ban from Europe is going to throw a spanner in the works.
    On the bright side, I am banned from going to Saudi.


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    I had a few moments to waste and watched about 2 minutes of Trump's speech and that's all I could tolerate. Honestly its virtually impossible for me to watch him. He is a terrible public speaker and comes across like game show host. He brings little to the table and instills
    no confidence to the US people as no one takes him seriously.

    The only golden chip he had was the stock market kept rising as people will tolerate incompetence if their financial position stays positive. Now with the market tanking he will start the blame game to deflect his ineptness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    come on, there is nothing that Trump could do to stop the spread
    ok....

    1. who are the national security council officials on the pandemic response team?

    answer: nobody. there no longer is an NSC pandemic response team.

    they were pushed out in 2018 and never replaced.




    2. what's the medical background of the the secretary of health and human services?

    answer: he doesn't have a medical background...he was a lobbyist for big pharma.



    3. trump's 2021 budget had massive cuts to the CDC


    4. edited to add.....WTF happened with the tests?


    knowledgeable people are predicting tens of millions of covid-19 infections in the US.....you can bet there will be congressional investigations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    On the bright side, I am banned from going to Saudi.
    On the bright side my morning commute has been a breeze as half the country is sitting on their sofas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ok....

    answer: nobody. there no longer is an NSC pandemic response team.

    answer: he doesn't have a medical background...he was a lobbyist for big pharma.

    knowledgeable people are predicting tens of millions of covid-19 infections in the US.....you can bet there will be congressional investigations.
    ok you are acting like he has some kind of control, he doesn't, and neither does his subordinates

    Macron, a competent leader, is going through the same mistakes, hospital budget cuts, incompetent minister, and a few millions pending cases already happening in France

    no leader can manage that crisis, doesn't matter how competent your staff is, they are not prepared for this, nobody is

    Trump is doing the good thing by acting like a chimp, because that's all there is to do, entertaining the press

    Vive le Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    when the media gets a moment to catch its breath (no pun intended), they've badly bungled the handling of this outbreak, .
    Monumentally....

    The Trump administration has had since November to prepare, and they’ve dragged their feet, predicting this will “magically” disappear. As of last Friday, South Korea has tested 140,000 of their citizens. The US has tested 2,000.
    The ineptitude of this administration is mind boggling.

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    for the cynics and ignoramuses who say that there's no difference between the democrats and republicans....

    House Republican leadership and the White House said they were opposed to a Democratic coronavirus bill as its currently constructed, they told lawmakers Thursday morning.

    snip

    The legislation, as it stands now, includes provisions for free testing for coronavirus, bolstering of unemployment insurance, paid medical leave for those out of work due to the disease and additional money to ensure children continue to get subsidized lunches if schools close.

    McCarthy: Republicans to oppose Democratic coronavirus bill - POLITICO

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    Trump’s travel ban sidesteps his own European resorts

    President Donald Trump’s new European travel restrictions have a convenient side effect: They exempt nations where three Trump-owned golf resorts are located.

    Trump is already under fire for visiting his properties in both countries as president, leading to U.S. taxpayer money being spent at his own firms. The president has been saddled with lawsuits and investigations throughout his term alleging that he’s violating the Constitution’s emoluments clause by accepting taxpayer money other than his salary.

    The U.S. government proclamation initiating the ban targets 26 European countries that comprise a visa-free travel zone known as the Schengen Area.

    The United Kingdom, which is home to Trump Turnberry and Trump International Golf Links, and Ireland, which is home to another Trump-branded hotel and golf course at Doonbeg, do not participate in the Schengen Area. Bulgaria, Croatia and Romania are also not part of the Schengen Area. All three of the resorts are struggling financially.

    Ireland’s prime minister, Leo Varadkar, is scheduled to meet Trump at the White House on Thursday in one of the few events related to St. Patrick’s Day that has not been canceled due to coronavirus concerns.

    The administration’s European travel proclamation notes that “the Schengen Area has exported 201 COVID-19 cases to 53 countries. Moreover, the free flow of people between the Schengen Area countries makes the task of managing the spread of the virus difficult.”

    Trump’s European travel ban comes with several other loopholes.

    There are now 460 confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.K., including Nadine Dorries, the British government’s own health minister in charge of patient safety. Wednesday saw the biggest rise in U.K. cases in a single day, and the country’s highest-level crisis committee — known as Cobra — will meet Thursday to consider additional moves to reduce the impact of the virus.

    Though they are subject to border checks on arrival, residents of the 26 Schengen Area countries are also free to live and work in the United Kingdom, meaning they could fly to the United States from a British airport as long as they hadn't spent time within the Schengen countries in the last 14 days.

    EU leaders condemned Trump's move on Thursday, and disputed the president's criticism of Europe's handling of the crisis.

    “The Coronavirus is a global crisis, not limited to any continent and it requires cooperation rather than unilateral action,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President Charles Michel said in a joint statement.

    “The European Union disapproves of the fact that the U.S. decision to impose a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation,” they said, adding that the bloc was “taking strong action to limit the spread of the virus.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...resorts-126808

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    White House officials said there were no plans to test President Donald Trump for coronavirus, even though he was photographed standing next to an aide to the Brazilian president who tested positive for the virus this week.

    But many other people who met with President Jair Bolsonaro and his communications secretary, Fabio Wajngarten, who tested positive, have already announced they will be self-quarantining as a precautionary measure.


    The Miami Police Department’s entire motorcycle patrol unit is going into self-quarantine, because they were served as security for Bolsonaro, and “were in contact during photo-ops or might have shaken hands,” Miami’s police chief told the Miami Herald.
    The mayor of Miami, and the mayor of nearby Miami-Dade County, are also isolating themselves after the visit, the Miami Herald reported.
    So are two Republican senators and Trump allies: Florida Sen. Rick Scott, and South Carolina Sen. Lindsay Graham.
    Trump is going to get it if he doesn't wake up.
    Trump has 'no plans' for coronavirus test despite contact with infected Bolsonaro aide – as it happened | US news | The Guardian

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