DECISION AMERICA 2016: The Election Results Thread

[beazalbob69]

All the libtards do realize that the Republican party also supported those two parts of Obamacare right?

Trying to re-write history? Every house Republican voted against ACA.

Let me attempt to reword my post for you Humbert.

Yes it's true that the Republicans unanimously voted against the ACA (Obamacare to everyone except libtards) They did agree that people with preexisting conditions should be able to have coverage and that children should be able to stay on their parents plans longer. They did not agree on everything else that Obamacare came with that's why they voted against it.

Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact

'Obamacare' Was Originally Proposed By Republicans - IVN.us

Besides the Republicans never being against these two points Trump also was never against them either and always planned on trying to work them into whatever plan was to replace Obamacare.

Trump suggests Obamacare's protections for the sick may stay

It Isn't News That Trump Wants to Keep the Pre-Existing Condition Reforms----He Said So in February

[Humbert]

Let me attempt to reword my post for you Humbert.

As part of reforming the private insurance system they agreed with those concepts.
Yes, thanks for rewording your misleading post.

[beazalbob69]

All the libtards do realize that the Republican party also supported those two parts of Obamacare right?

Does that look misleading to you?

[Humbert]

O

Does that look misleading to you?

derp

[slackula]

Besides the Republicans never being against these two points Trump also was never against them either and always planned on trying to work them into whatever plan was to replace Obamacare.

What is now called Obamacare originated at the Heritage Foundation as a riposte to Hillary's attempts at health care reform when she was first lady

The problem is that to keep the bits he likes he's either going to have to also keep the bits he doesn't like which pay for it all or find some other way to fund it. Good luck getting that past the teabaggers in the House.

Ryan goes on about allowing insurers to sell across state lines but that is just code for a race to the regulatory bottom and will result in useless plans and massive deductibles.

The problem Trump and the Repubs now face is that they don't dare to scrap it entirely so they are going to have to find a way to pay for it. Medicaid/Medicare seems an obvious way but most of them are on record as wanting to privatise all of that too.

They've painted themselves into a corner on the whole thing, it'll be entertaining watching them squirm over it now.

[beazalbob69]

Besides the Republicans never being against these two points Trump also was never against them either and always planned on trying to work them into whatever plan was to replace Obamacare.

What is now called Obamacare originated at the Heritage Foundation as a riposte to Hillary's attempts at health care reform when she was first lady

The problem is that to keep the bits he likes he's either going to have to also keep the bits he doesn't like which pay for it all or find some other way to fund it. Good luck getting that past the teabaggers in the House.

Ryan goes on about allowing insurers to sell across state lines but that is just code for a race to the regulatory bottom and will result in useless plans and massive deductibles.

The problem Trump and the Repubs now face is that they don't dare to scrap it entirely so they are going to have to find a way to pay for it. Medicaid/Medicare seems an obvious way but most of them are on record as wanting to privatise all of that too.

They've painted themselves into a corner on the whole thing, it'll be entertaining watching them squirm over it now.

I agree with you. I am curious to see what they come up with. The USA just cant have a decent healthcare system.

[birding]

So now we know why she lost:

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat | Bangkok Post: news

And that Trump had help from above:

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory | Bangkok Post: news

[beazalbob69]

So now we know why she lost:

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat | Bangkok Post: news

And that Trump had help from above:

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory | Bangkok Post: news

Don't forget those pesky Russian hackers leaking the truth. Death to Russia!

[koman]

I'm with the monk theory. So far it makes the most sense of all the theories......

[MikeyLikesU]

So now we know why she lost:

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat | Bangkok Post: news

And that Trump had help from above:

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory | Bangkok Post: news

Don't forget those pesky Russian hackers leaking the truth. Death to Russia!

Hillary and her entire campaign was focused on blaming others for her misdeeds. It was all deflection, smoke and mirrors (used to hide the corruption and abuse of powers). Even Obama campaigned against Trump, on our taxpayer money.

To sum it up...Hillary broke the faith with the Americans that don't believe popular Media BS. Deplorables were named and shamed, beaten, and put aside. She made enemies....failing to realize that we were the key she needed to be elected.

FBI did nothing.....either way. No conviction. Nothing would of changed our minds after the "Deplorable" Comments...and the constant lies and corruption.

Bit her in the arse.
It was entirely her own fault. She failed herself, her party and her followers.

Where is she now? Where is the Leadership? She sits back and gawks at the TV while misinformed/misled liberals run Amok. No purpose except anarchy.

Fox News might be considered more of an entertainment show than a news show...but they nailed the whole election. The rest of the Media misled Hillary's followers. They were blind sided. Like the Survivor show, they thought they were voting out the weaker side. When, in fact, we were all just laughing.

Even now, the Mainstream Media is misdirecting them. Enraging Liberals, and adding fuel to the fire. It is not surprising that many forums have also decided to go liberal....banning views from anyone who disagrees.

That is the real danger.

College Educated Liberal Arts people without a clue.

[Humbert]

No question the god emperor got help from Comey.

[BobR]

So now we know why she lost:

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat | Bangkok Post: news

And that Trump had help from above:

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory

'Leicester monk' helped Trump's victory | Bangkok Post: news

Don't forget those pesky Russian hackers leaking the truth. Death to Russia!

Hillary and Bill make Thailand's corrupt political family look like rank amateurs, blaming someone else when you're caught is a classic symptom of psychpaths.
Only hope Trump follows up with a special prosecutor and goes all the way back to Arkansas to jail this human garbage and solve the trail of bodies they left behind.

[David48atTD]

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US election: Hillary Clinton blames FBI director James Comey for election loss

Linked to News Item

[slackula]

Only hope Trump follows up with a special prosecutor and goes all the way back to Arkansas to jail this human garbage and solve the trail of bodies they left behind.

Please provide a list of the charges and convictions that you use to make this assertion.

PS: Endless Republican witch-hunts don't count.

[BaitongBoy]

Besides the citizens of USA (not the continent of North America) cannot read or write, for the most part...

Since when did you become such an ignorant dick?

Don't take it personally, Hummer...You must be a Yank...

We Canucks get accused of much worse...

[sabang]

Has Shillary taken the time to denounce those idiots that are protesting violently? She can ignore the peaceful protesters, I suppose, although protesting after an election is about as useful as locking a gate after the horse has bolted.

[beazalbob69]

Just your everyday, normal Liberal.

https://twitter.com/CUNTMAFIA/status/796492113357705216

Not sure how to embed tweets?

[koman]

those idiots that are protesting violently

At other times they are "peace" protestors; "anti free-trade" protestors, or whatever is currently causing ripples in the force.

Some of these folks do little else but protest against things. It's an outing and George Soros funded organizations help to get them fired up and offer free hot-dogs, power drinks and rainbow flags to keep them going until they find their way back to their parents basements to wait for the next cause to show up.

G7/G8 meetings are usually good for police confrontations and opportunities for victimhood.... Somethings they may just protest about not having anything to protest about.....

[bsnub]

It's an outing and George Soros funded organizations help to get them fired up and offer free hot-dogs, power drinks and rainbow flags to keep them going until they find their way back to their parents basements to wait for the next cause to show up.

You have been gone for months why do did you conveniently return after this election spouting your typical absurd garbage? George Soros funding protests. Absurd dribble from the insane alt right.

[Cold Pizza]

So now we know why she lost:

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat

Hillary blames FBI chief for her defeat | Bangkok Post: news

She is really reaching. Comey sat on a plane right next to her husband Bill, who happened to be the former President of the United States a few months while he was investigating whether to charge her. He made the announcement to not take action a couple of days later.

Here is more data that show Clinton lost Wisconsin and Michigan b/c of low Democratic voter turnout in Detroit and Milwaukee.

(Other numbers in the article also):


It Appears As Though Hillary Clinton Was Ultimately Done In By Low Democratic Voter Turnout
BRETT MICHAEL 11.09.16 • 27 COMMENTS

This morning found many Americans waking up to the prospect of a Donald Trump presidency and wondering, “How the hell did this happen?” Well, there are a host of reasons why — and these will be debated hotly in the days, weeks and years to come — but the biggest, most glaring reason appears to be that Democrats just didn’t get out to vote for Hillary Clinton like they needed to in order to propel her to a victory.

Last night and this morning many seemed to think that the reason Trump won was because angry white voters turned out in large numbers to vote for him. But with nearly all the votes now tallied it appears as though that’s just not the case. In fact, Trump garnered fewer overall votes nationwide than John McCain and Mitt Romney, the past two losing GOP nominees, did in 2008 and 2012. As of this writing, with almost all votes counted, Trump has tallied 59,611,678 votes; Romney pulled in 60,933,504 in 2012, and McCain 59,948,323 in 2008.

By comparison, Hillary’s 59,814,018 votes (which won her the popular vote, but not the Electoral College vote) is considerably less than the 69,498,516 Obama got in 2008, and the 65,915,795 he received in 2012. She was particularly hurt by low turnout in crucial swing states.

Reports the Washington Post:

In Michigan, Clinton got 13 percent fewer votes than Obama. Trump got 7 percent more than Romney.
In Pennsylvania, Clinton got 5 percent fewer votes than Obama. Trump got 9 percent more than Romney.
In Wisconsin, Clinton got 15 percent fewer votes than Obama. Trump did slightly worse than Romney — in a state that was home to Romney’s running mate.
Further, Vox notes that “Clinton garnered 129,000 fewer votes in heavily Democratic Detroit than Obama did four years ago — and lost the state by around 61,000 total votes” and that she “got 95,000 fewer votes in heavily Democratic Milwaukee than Obama did — and lost the state by 73,000 total votes.”

Additionally, core Democratic voting groups likes blacks and Hispanics didn’t vote along party lines for Clinton as many assumed they would. As Pew Research notes, “Clinton held an 80-point advantage among blacks (88% to 8%) compared with Obama’s 87-point edge four years ago (93% to 6%). In 2008, Obama had a 91-point advantage among blacks.”

So while the theory that Trump won because of angry white people turning out in droves for him may be popular, the truth behind Clinton’s defeat appears to lie in the fact that voters were just not passionate enough about her to get out and actually vote for her, and the ones who did weren’t as loyal to the party as they were for Obama.

One of the big knocks against Clinton in the Democratic primary was that, in addition to not being particularly charismatic and exciting, Hillary was, rightfully or not, perceived as being too scandal-plagued and out-of-touch to inspire people to vote for her on the grand scale needed to win a national election, problems Bernie Sanders was not afflicted with. (Surely, there’s an argument to made that GOP voter suppression efforts in some states may have contributed to decreased Democratic voter turnout, but the margin in votes between Clinton in 2016 and Obama in 2008 and 2012 appears way to considerable for this to be the answer.) Former Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell echoed this sentiment in an election post-mortem this morning.

“Because she was someone who had friends that were longtime friends and associates of the party and there’s a great feeling,” Rendell said in a radio interview. “There’s an emotional tie between a lot of Democrats around the country and Hillary Clinton. But you know, that doesn’t mean that she was the right candidate for a general election.”

Rendell went on to say that “it would be interesting to think of how Bernie Sanders would’ve done. Bernie Sanders would’ve lost a few Republicans who voted for Hillary because of some of his economic views but he would’ve fought Donald pretty hard for those disaffected, angry, and frustrated workers.” There’s an argument to be made that young voters would have turned out in far greater numbers for Sanders as well. 55% of voters ages 18-29 that turned out in 2016 voted for Clinton, while 60% of that demographic voted for Obama in 2012.

Going into election day, many thought that 2016 would shatter voter turnout records, and early exit polls on Tuesday supported that belief. But in the end the 2016 election looks like it will have produced the lowest voter turnout in modern American history when it comes to percentage of the voting age population that actually voted. Current data shows that only 48.62% of Americans of eligible voting age actually got out to vote yesterday.

Hillary Clinton Lost Because Of Low Democratic Voter Turnout

[koman]

It's an outing and George Soros funded organizations help to get them fired up and offer free hot-dogs, power drinks and rainbow flags to keep them going until they find their way back to their parents basements to wait for the next cause to show up.

You have been gone for months why do did you conveniently return after this election spouting your typical absurd garbage? George Soros funding protests. Absurd dribble from the insane alt right.

Actually, I was back before the election but did not comment too much because I was prepared to wait for the election.

I expect you will be sulking, insulting and throwing tantrums for some time to come....yes..... Looks like your take on the election was about as good as your predictions about the "Occupy" revolution a few years back. Must be awful getting it so wrong all the time.....when is the next revolution coming Snubbie? Got yer rainbow flag all ironed and ready?..

[redhaze]

They did agree that people with preexisting conditions should be able to have coverage and that children should be able to stay on their parents plans longer.

That is total revisionist history. Republicans had decades to propose their own ideas to fix the healthcare system. I challenge you to cite a single piece of legislation supported by any Republican in the history of ever that included either of those ideas.

[sabang]

Good quote, from Jack Welch:-

"The media took Donald Trump literally but not seriously. His supporters took him seriously but not literally."

Please credit and share this article with others using this link:That election: CliffNotes edition | Bangkok Post: opinion.

[redhaze]

So while the theory that Trump won because of angry white people turning out in droves for him may be popular, the truth behind Clinton’s defeat appears to lie in the fact that voters were just not passionate enough about her to get out and actually vote for her, and the ones who did weren’t as loyal to the party as they were for Obama.

And there you have it. Clinton was the wrong candidate at the wrong time. The democratic establishment badly misread what the public was looking for. The numbers don't lie, Trump didn't bring out new voters Clinton just lost hers. Her voting base didn't show up, and Trump's mostly did (but not even to the extent of Mitt Romney, which just shows that the angry white guy narrative is left wanting).

The lack of enthusiasm for Clinton was very predictable and (not to toot my own horn too much....but I will) I've been saying for the past year she was an incredibly vulnerable and easily defeatable candidate in the general. Democrats confused their familiarity and acceptance of her problems as a majority viewpoint. She lost to a reality TV show candidate. Weakest. Candidate. Ever.

Give me Michael Dukakis in a tank.

[Cold Pizza]

So while the theory that Trump won because of angry white people turning out in droves for him may be popular, the truth behind Clinton’s defeat appears to lie in the fact that voters were just not passionate enough about her to get out and actually vote for her, and the ones who did weren’t as loyal to the party as they were for Obama.

And there you have it. Clinton was the wrong candidate at the wrong time. The democratic establishment badly misread what the public was looking for. The numbers don't lie, Trump didn't bring out new voters Clinton just lost hers. Her voting base didn't show up, and Trump's mostly did (but not even to the extent of Mitt Romney, which just shows that the angry white guy narrative is left wanting).

The lack of enthusiasm for Clinton was very predictable and (not to toot my own horn too much....but I will) I've been saying for the past year she was an incredibly vulnerable and easily defeat ble candidate as a result.

Well said, RH.

I think this will sink in to the Dems in general (perhaps it already has).

Not sure if it will sink in to HRC, however.