DECISION AMERICA 2016: The Election Results Thread

[Cujo]

The Donald sure has his work cut out for him.

He's certainly gonna rattle some deeply entrenched cages, in the tired political arena.

Maybe, or once he finds out how it all works , the complex whyfores and wherefores of government he might find that following the advice of his cadre of new advisers is the easiest way.
I think he imagines he'll just sit in the whitehouse giving orders as if he were in the offices of Trump inc. and they will be carried out.
It's possible he'll get frustrated by the fact that there are processes and protocols to be followed and that orders he bellows from the office may not be carried out at all due to obstruction in various departments of government.
(Maybe he'll conduct government FROM Trump tower)

[Mr Earl]

What surprised me is that this looked like one of the most contentious elections in history, and yet 107 MILLION people didn't bother voting. Only 51% of voters turned out.

If that doesn't tell you that people think their vote doesn't make much difference, I don't know what will.

For info, Brexit got 72% of voters out; the Scottish independence vote got nearly 85%.

It sure seemed like a squeaker to me, the election seemed to hang on three states, Michigan, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. It was very close.

[koman]

MoveOn morons are mobilizing!

America on Edge: MoveOn Organizes Anti-Trump Protests Around Country - Breitbart

The Donald would admire the fighting spirit!

Just reading through the comments from these folks makes one realize what a bunch of hysterical, hyper-ventilating, immature creatures they really are. They don't even seem to understand that all the anti-Trump stuff has already backfired and was quite likely the reason he ended up winning the election......

These far left entitlement liberals have cried wolf far too often and an increasing number of people have grown tired of their whining, race baiting and suffocating political correctness. Imagine having a special place in a university where students can find quiet sanctuary and support after hearing a Trump speech......in a land of "free speech" ...

We must always protect our precious snowflakes from increasing temperatures.......

[Cold Pizza]

MoveOn morons are mobilizing!

America on Edge: MoveOn Organizes Anti-Trump Protests Around Country - Breitbart

The Donald would admire the fighting spirit!

I suppose they don't believe in elections.

[rickschoppers]

I think one of the biggest mistakes Clinton made was to think she had the black vote

WTF are you babbling about? She had 88% of the black vote.

Did you read my entire post, or did you just cherry pick my words?

She won 88% of the black votes from blacks that actually vote, wealthy, educated, black democrats that live in California and the North East. What about all the ghetto dwellers that voted for the 1st time in their lives when they voted for Obama? Did they bother to vote for this woman? I don't think so.

She thought they would vote for her simply because she is so tight with the Obama's. Black by association.

So now there are protests of which most are black because Trump was elected. Most probably did not even vote. That is the mentality that America is dealing with right now. Protest about something you helped to create and sit around and bitch and moan about it when things don't go your way.

[harrybarracuda]

What surprised me is that this looked like one of the most contentious elections in history, and yet 107 MILLION people didn't bother voting. Only 51% of voters turned out.

If that doesn't tell you that people think their vote doesn't make much difference, I don't know what will.

For info, Brexit got 72% of voters out; the Scottish independence vote got nearly 85%.

It sure seemed like a squeaker to me, the election seemed to hang on three states, Michigan, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. It was very close.

They're still counting votes in two states. But Clinton won the popular vote.

It is what it is, no-one can complain about how the Electoral College works, it's the same for both sides and always has been.

Nor can you even say the third party candidates had an effect, because you don't kn ow who those voters would have chosen had they not been there.

[Storekeeper]

https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/de...597#.j7oxu4qef

"The “conspiracies” were true, and the mainstream media lied to you to about everything.
Wikileaks was not Russian propaganda, it was the news.

Wikileaks has a 10-year record of never releasing a single falsified document, and is not connected to Russia. Everything they released were the actual e-mails of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. You had the opportunity to look through a window into the Hillary Clinton campaign, but you didn’t.

By ignoring the leaks, you ignored reality.

By not listening to your fellow Americans, and accusing them of being “conspiracy theorists” and trusting the corporate media, you ignored reality. By only following other liberals on social media, and only reading liberal or corporate news, once again ignoring reality. When Hillary Clinton was caught rigging the primary against Bernie Sanders, and Democrats nominated her anyway they ignored reality.

Everyone was simply insulating themselves within their own echo chamber ignoring anything outside their bubble.
The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING

If you’ve been following my Twitter or Facebook account during this 2016 election you probably would have thought I was a Trump supporter. However, I am a former registered Democrat, a Bernie supporter, and consider myself a progressive libertarian. This was the first election I ended up voting 3rd party, but my second choice was Trump. I simply could not vote for Hillary Clinton because of her mishandling of classified information, and stealing the nomination from the people’s choice Bernie Sanders.

Hillary never should have been nominated in the first place. The first clue was when she was under FBI investigation, and the second clue was when she rigged the primary elections.

In an attempt to inform my friends, family, and followers I posted dozens if not hundreds of Wikileaks e-mails, and tweeted alt-right news just as much as I did liberal news. I did this because most of my followers are liberals, and I realized they were all living in an echo chamber on social media where they were not being exposed to differing opinions or news. I was mostly rejected by liberals for doing this, they didn’t understand why I was sharing things that made them uncomfortable, but now they know why. Ironically, I got far more support from Trump supporters for trying to tell Democrats the truth. I wasn’t expecting that.

I took it upon myself to understand Trump, and his supporters. What I found was millions of great Americans who had been disenfranchised, normal people like you and I, who did not recover from the Great Recession. They’re pissed off about Obama Care, endless wars, trade deals that have killed jobs, higher taxes, a rigged economy–and, they are not wrong.
Had Democrats taken the concerns of average American seriously, especially the concerns of Millennials, they would have quickly realized Hillary Clinton was not the right nominee for the Democratic party in 2016.
Bernie Sanders Would Have Beat Trump

I 100% believe Bernie Sanders could have created a political revolution to beat Trump, but instead we’re getting Trump’s revolution.

The reason Hillary Clinton did not win this election is because she never should have been nominated in the first place.

There was a better choice.

Democrats let Hillary hijack the DNC, and use her corporate money to push everyone around. Meanwhile, she used Correct The Record to poison the minds of people online into isolating themselves with paid Hillary trolls. Had Democrats paid attention to the leaks they would have seen the mountain of evidence that told the world that Hillary rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders, and was illegally coordinating with Super PACs like CTR. She should have been disqualified. The evidence is on Wikileaks.org.

Meanwhile, the media, and social media kept everyone ignorant and isolated from differing opinions. They lied to us, manipulated us, and made us think the rest of the country agreed with us, when they didn’t. They used their position of authority to mislead us into believing in a false reality—in propaganda.

This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart.

Getting the news from just your friends is a logical fallacy, you need to know your enemies, and realize they’re not much different from yourself.

There Is Good News

While you weren’t paying attention, Trump is actually a former Democrat. If you study his actual values he has far more in common with traditional moderate or liberal values than he does a traditional conservative. In fact, Trump may even be more liberal than Hillary Clinton on several issues.

The media prevented any kind of discussion on values, and instead focused on rhetoric and propaganda. So most Americans who immediately defaulted to what the media and Clinton campaign told them never took the time to actually get to know Donald Trump. They just watched the jokes on SNL, and corporate media blindly without considering other sources. While I’m still unsure about Trump myself, we at least know politically he’s actually a New York Democrat in Republican clothing (this is why the Republican establishment rejected him).

You also need to consider Donald Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. He just beat the political establishment singlehandedly. No matter what you think about him personally, he just accomplished something historic to become our President.

At the end of the day, this is an opportunity to learn and grow and consider another world view. This is a wakeup call to get out of safe spaces, politically correct thinking, shatter echo chambers, and challenge yourself to consider the other side of the fence. This is an opportunity to reach out and truly learn to understand each other.

We all have to come together to solve any real problems with our country in the next 4-years. This election was a lesson to consider all ideas equally, regardless of established authority.

We need to come together and move forward together".

[Seekingasylum]

Well spotted, Ricky boy, the nigras have got nowhere with voting and the election of a nigra POTUS hasn't helped. Nigras should understand that the only way whitey is going to give up their oppression of the blacks is when someone puts a cap in his ass and kills the bitch mofo.

Armed insurrection in the untermensch states, i.e the majority, except Colorado, Illinois, Calif., Oregon, Washington and the intelligent bits of the eastern seaboard, is the way to go. Trump has proved the point: success is now assured through lies, deceit, bullying and victimisation.

Let's see the white body count pile up and hear the screams of the police as they bleed into the gutters of the slums they have created out of our black brotherhood's pain and anguish.

Let's hear it for Kunte Kinte and kick some fat white ass!

By the way, Storekeeper, why are you posting frazzledfuckedupseptic speak? This is a serious thread.

[Storekeeper]

https://www.creators.com/read/connie...ngratulate-him

"Don't ask us to congratulate him.

Not today. Not this week. Not ever, probably.

He stands for so much of what we'd dared to hope was behind us as a country. Bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia. He spewed it with reckless abandon, and now he is going to be our next president.

Of course we are distancing ourselves. We love our families, our communities and our country. Our commitment is not a charade. And we want to live with ourselves.

This is not a sporting event. This is not about good manners. Sometimes there is no deliverance in the fake smile, the phony congratulations.

We are exhausted but wide-awake aware. We have no choice, because we are his targets — a diverse group, which, in his view, qualifies us as the collective enemy. We are women. We are immigrants. We are black and Latino. We are Muslims and Jews. We are gay and lesbian, bisexual and transgender. We are the people on the margins, the ones invisible in plain sight.

We have listened to him talk about us for months. We know him.

We know whom he threatened and whom he bullied. We know whom he hates. (Let us raise our hands.) We know that he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals and that he mocked a gold star family and a man with disabilities. We know he lied. Over and over, he lied. And he got away with it.

This new job title will not change who he is.

So we are hyper-vigilant. We know the list of what he promised to do and whom he promised to harm if he became our next president. We are watching and waiting.

We cannot yearn for unity with such a man.

We are not sore losers. We just don't have the luxury of indifference. We don't benefit from pretending that all will be fine.

As it was for millions of other Americans — the plurality of voters, it appears — this election was personal for me. In the wee hours of the morning when election results were still coming in, I kept thinking about my two Latino grandsons. These sweet boys I love — our "bad hombres," our family tried to joke. I look into their bright eyes and see the reflection of my growing fear, one that I can no longer rationalize away. In rhetoric and deed, our next president has made clear that they and millions like them are "the other."

How could so many Americans vote for this man?

That is the question on so many minds, including those of the many millennials who reached out to me Wednesday — through email and Facebook and taps on my office door at Kent State.

Where's the hope now? they asked. What's the point?

We must not give up, I tell them. We must not surrender to this despair threatening to claw our hearts into pieces.

Had my generation given up, we would never have seen the passage of civil rights, marriage equality or President Barack Obama. For starters. Had the women generations before me given up, I would not have the right to vote.

Every morning, we are faced with a decision before our feet hit the floor. Will we join the defeated, the ones who finally caved? Or will we continue to fight? I know from long experience which answer will rouse us from our beds with our character intact.

First, though, we acknowledge our sadness and disbelief, lest that darkness feast on us. As for grief, well, there's a stubborn monster. The longer we ignore it the harder it pounds on the door. Only after we let it in do we discover its temporary hold.

So, let's get on with it. Let's invite our grief to sit with us until we get bored with each other — and then watch that monster march out the door".

[bobo746]

[harrybarracuda]

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken, July 26, 1920.

[Storekeeper]

By the way, Storekeeper, why are you posting frazzledfuckedupseptic speak? This is a serious thread.

Guys like Snubbie were right. And a lot of us were wrong to back Clinton.

[Seekingasylum]

Now, thats far better, Connie is a damn fine writer.

Keep it like that but most here won't comprehend the sentiments.

[Cold Pizza]

By the way, Storekeeper, why are you posting frazzledfuckedupseptic speak? This is a serious thread.

Guys like Snubbie were right. And a lot of us were wrong to back Clinton.

SK, please explain.

[Seekingasylum]

It's quite simple really, if George Clooney had given up Hollywood and stood for Governor in a civilised state five years ago and then ran for the Dem nomination he would be in there now having breakfast with Obama and discussing the handover.

With septics, it's all about the packaging and fooling the dumbest electorate outside of Neanderthalia.

[beazalbob69]

She won 88% of the black votes from blacks that actually vote, wealthy, educated, black democrats that live in California and the North East. What about all the ghetto dwellers that voted for the 1st time in their lives when they voted for Obama? Did they bother to vote for this woman? I don't think so.

A really ridiculous argument. As if her rhetoric on discrimination, poverty, a discriminatory criminal justice system and economic inequality were directed only at voters.
What other metric is important other than the fact that she got 88% of the black vote? Did Trump exclude every single white non-college educated voter from his rhetoric or was it only directed at registered voters?

She tried to get the vote from the kinds of people that don't normally vote. When Obama ran for president many black people that had never even considered voting did so because he was black. Because of all of these "extra" voters and the people that vote along party lines he won the election.

Hillary assumed these people would vote for her as well and she was wrong. All of the blacks that voted for Obama and helped him win didn't come out of their ghetto's to vote for Hillary because she is a white woman.

She tried to play the system and the American public and for once people noticed it. People are tired of political bullshit so they voted against it, unfortunately Trump was the other option. Just having these two people as the best this country could come up with for POTUS says a lot.

[Storekeeper]

By the way, Storekeeper, why are you posting frazzledfuckedupseptic speak? This is a serious thread.

Guys like Snubbie were right. And a lot of us were wrong to back Clinton.

SK, please explain.

I can't say it any better than the guy who wrote article really.

We never should have thought Clinton could overcome 3 decades of being smeared.

We didn't really get the "Hope and Change" we expected from Obama. So if we wanted change then we should have backed Bernie.

As many have said right here Clinton was just a status quo candidate. The teabaggers offered up Trump as change and we dumped Bernie. Many made it clear they didn't want Clinton back in 2008. So why did we do that?

[Seekingasylum]

One cannot be tired of a flawed system and then vote for a Ginger Pig. It is the act of an irrational fuckwit, so batshit crazy they think there's such a thing as a God.

[Humbert]

I think one of the biggest mistakes Clinton made was to think she had the black vote

Obama got 93% of the black vote.

Hillary assumed these people would vote for her as well and she was wrong. All of the blacks that voted for Obama and helped him win didn't come out of their ghetto's to vote for Hillary because she is a white woman.

Clinton got 88% of the black vote.

Trump got 8% of the black vote.

Are you saying she failed to get the black vote?

[Storekeeper]

One cannot be tired of a flawed system and then vote for a Ginger Pig. It is the act of an irrational fuckwit, so batshit crazy they think there's such a thing as a God.

I know you're not one of us seppos so this isn't directed at you but, I hope Democrats will make sure we get the candidate right next time to make Trump a one term President.

We can't continue to look down our pointy noses and expect name calling to change anything. We did that for the last three years and just got our asses handed to us.

[rickschoppers]

It's quite simple really, if George Clooney had given up Hollywood and stood for Governor in a civilised state five years ago and then ran for the Dem nomination he would be in there now having breakfast with Obama and discussing the handover.

With septics, it's all about the packaging and fooling the dumbest electorate outside of Neanderthalia.

How was your country leader chosen Seeking?

[Seekingasylum]

I tell you, get George Clooney to stand and it's in the bag. He could do for the Dems. what Reagan did for the GOP.

The world would love America, for a change.

[RPETER65]

Clinton's pardoned. No jail time

Pardoned without being convicted of anything. That's an interesting twist.
As far as Trump's promises, they will have to go through congress, he will not be able to decree by Tweet. Obstruct everything he proposes just as the rethugs did to Obama for the last eight years

Sorry to have to tell you, he has a mostly supportive congress, and a pen and a phone.

[Cold Pizza]

As many have said right here Clinton was just a status quo candidate. The teabaggers offered up Trump as change and we dumped Bernie. Many made it clear they didn't want Clinton back in 2008. So why did we do that?

OK, thanks.

HRC was the most Insider-Establishment candidate to run in my lifetime.

Here is an article:

US elections 2016
Opinion
Donald Trump is moving to the White House, and liberals put him there
Thomas Frank

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...inton-liberals
Thomas Frank

And so Democratic leaders made Hillary their candidate even though they knew about her closeness to the banks, her fondness for war, and her unique vulnerability on the trade issue – each of which Trump exploited to the fullest. They chose Hillary even though they knew about her private email server. They chose her even though some of those who studied the Clinton Foundation suspected it was a sketchy proposition.

Clinton’s supporters among the media didn’t help much, either. It always struck me as strange that such an unpopular candidate enjoyed such robust and unanimous endorsements from the editorial and opinion pages of the nation’s papers, but it was the quality of the media’s enthusiasm that really harmed her. With the same arguments repeated over and over, two or three times a day, with nuance and contrary views all deleted, the act of opening the newspaper started to feel like tuning in to a Cold War propaganda station. Here’s what it consisted of:

Hillary was virtually without flaws. She was a peerless leader clad in saintly white, a super-lawyer, a caring benefactor of women and children, a warrior for social justice.

Her scandals weren’t real.

The economy was doing well / America was already great.

Working-class people weren’t supporting Trump.

And if they were, it was only because they were botched humans. Racism was the only conceivable reason for lining up with the Republican candidate.

Put this question in slightly more general terms and you are confronting the single great mystery of 2016. The American white-collar class just spent the year rallying around a super-competent professional (who really wasn’t all that competent) and either insulting or silencing everyone who didn’t accept their assessment. And then they lost. Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away.

The even larger problem is that there is a kind of chronic complacency that has been rotting American liberalism for years, a hubris that tells Democrats they need do nothing different, they need deliver nothing really to anyone – except their friends on the Google jet and those nice people at Goldman. The rest of us are treated as though we have nowhere else to go and no role to play except to vote enthusiastically on the grounds that these Democrats are the “last thing standing” between us and the end of the world. It is a liberalism of the rich, it has failed the middle class, and now it has failed on its own terms of electability. Enough with these comfortable Democrats and their cozy Washington system. Enough with Clintonism and its prideful air of professional-class virtue. Enough!

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...inton-liberals

[Seekingasylum]

It's quite simple really, if George Clooney had given up Hollywood and stood for Governor in a civilised state five years ago and then ran for the Dem nomination he would be in there now having breakfast with Obama and discussing the handover.

With septics, it's all about the packaging and fooling the dumbest electorate outside of Neanderthalia.

How was your country leader chosen Seeking?

Not by the fuckwitted, mofo, dirtbag, moronic, redneck, shitheeled white trash electorates, that's for sure. It's more a white smoke, political party thing. Our democracy doesn't do leaders as such, we tend to be more mature and actually consider doctrines, principles and manifestos before dwelling on personal habits, size of tits, email mailbox servers and other irrelevances. Foul-mouthed, bigoted, racist, unstable, stupid fat ginger pigs wouldn't get a look-in.