Thread: Environment: Ecological suicide

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The planet is in experiencing an ecological disaster largely caused by dirty human industries.

Depression the biggest curse.
If you can agree with; the world is me, me is the world.
Why alcohol and drug taking are favourite past-times to get one out of it or off their head.
To blank out our reality. of bs on many fronts.
The subtle insults fostered on the mind.

So it's not only the outside but the disaster is also on the inside. Yes?

True enough, I certainly have a bit of a battle with my affinity for tasty fermented grape and barley malt.

But that is reasonably manageable and offset by other healthy activity.

But smoking cannabis and drinkjng beer aint nothing compared to the petrol refinery and the culture which demands the convenience of motorcars and beefsteaks which we now know to be highly destructive of the environment.

^^ Good on Cleese for this....the situation for elephants alone is so dire, they may as well be extinct in the wild already.

Various other animals may as well be extinct too....their populations reduced so much and gene pool narrowed right down.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

My time is much too valuable to waste it explaining why you are such a shallow twerp.

So valuable , yet you take the time to troll and ruin a well-intentioned thread.

Earl's heart and mind are both in the right place, whereas you miss out on both counts.

Cry me a bleedin' river! So many sayers, yet very few doers.

Unfortunately many poachers are poor villagers, but they know what they are doing is wrong.

And the other guys going in know full well what they are doing.

Make a very public announcement around all the villages surrounding reserves in Africa, that they are now closed to all comers, apart from game wardens. Then give me a team of guerillas and I'd have no problem going in there to shoot anyone going into forbidden areas to poach.

It's just a matter of finding a way to identify the legitimate wayfarers from the poachers.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl
It is indeed the dimwitted arogance of so called educated experts like yourself who actually sustain, if not contribute to the environmental crisis.

What you are indeed expert at chuck, is quibbling, a master quibbler.

While the experts quibble more people die every day, more life is disrespected, and the planet suffers.

The poor people dying of lung diseases in the poluted cities aren't helped by your quibbling, nor are the fish in the sea choking on plastic garbage helped by your self absorbed, self serving quibbling.

Face it chuck so called educated expert people like yourself are indeed a very big part of the problem.

The question of cultural change is a valid one which you have repeatedly failed to address.
All you can say is that there is a very complex problem that you clearly do not understand. Instead of having a go at someone who does understand by quoting feeble platitudes, try doing something positive to understand just one of the thousands of real environmental issues.
Once you understand one issue, and recognise that there are thousands of others, and they all interconnected, you might just grasp the enormity of it.
You can't even remember starting the tattoo thread you pathetic nincompoop.
Shallow does not even begin to describe your understanding of environmental issues. You have also chosen to ignore any question I have asked you, instead firing back more pathetic personal remarks. Fine advocate with great debating skills.

If you are ashamed by what I have posted and you are unable to formulate a credible reply, just send another feeble red repo instead.

Oh wait ... you did exactly that didn't you earl? Great debating skills again.

^again you fail to address the notion of the culture of greed and consumerism as being the root cause of the very real environmental crisis.
Like all the so called educated government experts before you, you quibble.
Instead of asking the real hard questions, you quibble.
Instead of showing true respect for life and nature, you quibble.
Quibble quibble quibble.
Instead of quibbling try to ask the tough questions, and encourage your erudite peers to do the same.

Go back a actually read the OP, you might find the different cultural referencing interesting, I did anyway.

But if you're inherently a racist asshole (as I suspect your are) other cultures don't really interest you.

You are indeed weak Chuck and you know it.

Now fuckoff, there's a good lad...

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Unfortunately many poachers are poor villagers, but they know what they are doing is wrong.

And the other guys going in know full well what they are doing.

Make a very public announcement around all the villages surrounding reserves in Africa, that they are now closed to all comers, apart from game wardens. Then give me a team of guerillas and I'd have no problem going in there to shoot anyone going into forbidden areas to poach.

It's just a matter of finding a way to identify the legitimate wayfarers from the poachers.

Yes, but it's the Chinkies that want the Ivory and the Rhino horn.

Like I said, fucking locusts.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

again you fail to address the notion of the culture of greed and consumerism as being the root cause of the very real environmental crisis.
Like all the so called educated government experts before you, you quibble.
Instead of asking the real hard questions, you quibble.
Instead of showing true respect for life and nature, you quibble.
Quibble quibble quibble.
Instead of quibbling try to ask the tough questions, and encourage your erudite peers to do the same.

Go back a actually read the OP, you might find the different cultural referencing interesting, I did anyway.

But if you're inherently a racist asshole (as I suspect your are) other cultures don't really interest you.

You are indeed weak Chuck and you know it.

Now fuckoff, there's a good lad

ZERO relevant content just the same as all your other rude diatribes. No content means no answers.

Tip:Try asking a relevant question.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Make a very public announcement around all the villages surrounding reserves in Africa, that they are now closed to all comers, apart from game wardens. Then give me a team of guerillas and I'd have no problem going in there to shoot anyone going into forbidden areas to poach.

It's just a matter of finding a way to identify the legitimate wayfarers from the poachers.

No big problems......




Lapdancer, aka Walter 'RAMBO' Mitty has spoken!

^^Err...Still haven't read the OP I see.

Racist asshole it is then.

Fuckoff Chuck you weak fuckwit quibbler.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^^ Good on Cleese for this....the situation for elephants alone is so dire, they may as well be extinct in the wild already.

Various other animals may as well be extinct too....their populations reduced so much and gene pool narrowed right down.

Total hyped up balderdash!

Elephants are thriving in Africa, so much so that they're being culled for export to zoos elsewhere.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^^ Good on Cleese for this....the situation for elephants alone is so dire, they may as well be extinct in the wild already.

Various other animals may as well be extinct too....their populations reduced so much and gene pool narrowed right down.

Total hyped up balderdash!

Elephants are thriving in Africa, so much so that they're being culled for export to zoos elsewhere.

Well it looks like ENT must have got his Zoology doctorate from Whackjob University in the post today.

Meanwhile, in the real world:

African Elephant Numbers Plummet 30 Percent, Landmark Survey Finds

An unprecedented census gives a sobering baseline for managing what’s left of Africa’s elephants.

By Paul Steyn
PUBLISHED AUGUST 31, 2016

The much anticipated results of the largest ever continent-wide wildlife survey, the Great Elephant Census, will be released tomorrow at the World Conservation Congress in Hawaii. The worrying finding: Africa now has 352,271 savanna elephants left in 93 percent of the species’ range.

The aerial survey covered 18 African countries. In 15 of those, where information on previous populations existed, 144,000 elephants were lost to ivory poaching and habitat destruction in less than a decade.

The current yearly loss—overwhelmingly from poaching—is estimated at 8 percent. That’s about 27,000 elephants slaughtered year after year.

Forest elephants, which live in central and West Africa, were excluded from the census because they’re nearly impossible to spot from the air. But a 2012 ground study indicates that these elephants too are highly threatened by poaching and habitat loss.

The census was funded by Microsoft founder Paul G. Allen and took just under three years to complete. Led by the nonprofit Elephants Without Borders, which is based in Botswana, the survey involved a team of 90 scientists, six NGOs, and two advisory partners: the Kenya-based conservation organization Save the Elephants and the African Elephant Specialist Group, made up of experts who focus on the conservation and management of African elephants.

African Elephants Numbers Plummet 30 Percent, Survey Finds

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^^Err...Still haven't read the OP I see.

Racist asshole it is then.

Fuckoff Chuck you weak fuckwit quibbler.

Once again, no substance and no serious questions. You have done C&P from a left wing religious newspaper opinion piece. It's over a year old and contains no facts at all, just bluster.
And you have the nerve to call me weak? You are a joke earl.
Where's the science, where's the evidence, where is the credible proof? Come on old man. No more cheap wrapping paper from obscure bloggers. Where's the substance?
This is not quibbling earl, this is me calling you out as a loud mouth fake and a fraud.
Prove me wrong if you can. Why not call me a racist again? It didn't work the first 15 times you used it.
That's fine provided you can prove it outside your shallow grey matter.

^Again; read the OP you fucking quibbling multinicking dimbuld.

How much science do you need to establish that the environmental crisis is because of modern industry and petro/plastic corporations.

All you have you have to do is walk the street in any major city of the world and voila, proof positive.

Or do you really need the proof of 5 million people dead every year from respiratory ailments associated with air polution?

And still you want to fucking quibble. What a fucking asshole you are..
You and your so called educated experts quibble while millions die.

Hey! Fuck you, racist asshole!

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Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^^ Good on Cleese for this....the situation for elephants alone is so dire, they may as well be extinct in the wild already.

Various other animals may as well be extinct too....their populations reduced so much and gene pool narrowed right down.

Total hyped up balderdash!

Elephants are thriving in Africa, so much so that they're being culled for export to zoos elsewhere.

African Elephant Numbers Plummet 30 Percent, Landmark Survey Finds

An unprecedented census gives a sobering baseline for managing what’s left of Africa’s elephants.

By Paul Steyn
PUBLISHED AUGUST 31, 2016

The much anticipated results of the largest ever continent-wide wildlife survey, the Great Elephant Census, will be released tomorrow at the World Conservation Congress in Hawaii. The worrying finding: Africa now has 352,271 savanna elephants left in 93 percent of the species’ range.

The aerial survey covered 18 African countries. In 15 of those, where information on previous populations existed, 144,000 elephants were lost to ivory poaching and habitat destruction in less than a decade.

Another gross exaggeration!

Read the article and you find that it's a 8% decrease in numbers yearly, and the number of forest elephants haven't been taken into account in the above survey.

A 30% decrease from what year to what year? From the 1600's elephant numbers increased, but since the turn of the century decreasing. until the 1970s when they started increasing again, necessitating culling around 10 years ago.

Ivory poaching for the (largely) Chinese market has seen elephant numbers drop again, but to consider them in danger of extinction is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

Great debating skills again.

Why should he debate when you're intentionally trolling and trying to ruin a good thread ?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Again; read the OP you fucking quibbling multinicking dimbuld.

I have read it and I have explained to you exactly what it is. An opinion piece by a vested political interest.
While there may be elements of it worth exploring, neither you or the author has done that. Once again, no facts or research, just you, insulting me, because you have nothing to offer on the subject. You have climbed on a populist bandwagon and clung to it as the gospel truth.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Or do you really need the proof of 5 million people dead every year from respiratory ailments associated with air polution?

Citation or source? Or is it another puff piece your gullible mind has swallowed whole?
Idiots like you must be challenged to make sense of the science, without your screeching opinionated butthurt.
How many times will you repeat the same baseless and false accusations, just to cover your sorry fraudulent ass?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

And still you want to fucking quibble. What a fucking asshole you are..
You and your so called educated experts quibble while millions die.

Hey! Fuck you, racist asshole!

Do you have any new insults? NO

Do you have any credible evidence? NO

Do you understand how enormous and complex the problem is? NO

Keep repeating your rants earl. But the best thing to do when you are in a hole is to stop digging.

Originally Posted by ENT

A 30% decrease from what year to what year? From the 1600's elephant numbers increased, but since the turn of the century decreasing. until the 1970s when they started increasing again, necessitating culling around 10 years ago.

Ivory poaching for the (largely) Chinese market has seen elephant numbers drop again, but to consider them in danger of extinction is ridiculous.

You are a fucking muppet. Posting some shit from ten years ago. The figures are CURRENT and they show a TREND which if it continues will render the things in danger of extinction and the fucking Chinkies won't care, they'll just keep providing the demand until the population is all but wiped out.

For fuck's sake, why do you have to be so continually obtuse and gormless?

Sure, we all know about Chinese greed, it's legendary.

The trend you refer to is a blip in a cycle, there's nothing so suppose from that, the imminent demise of the African elephant population.

Originally Posted by ENT

Sure, we all know about Chinese greed, it's legendary.

The trend you refer to is a blip in a cycle, there's nothing so suppose from that, the imminent demise of the African elephant population.

144,000 Elephants removed in a decade leaving 350,000 is a blip?

You are some weird kind of imbecile.

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

Keep repeating your rants earl. But the best thing to do when you are in a hole is to stop digging.

Have you ever actually visited an oil refinery Chuck?....
Mr educated knowitall degree in environmental science...?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Have you ever actually visited an oil refinery Chuck?....
Mr educated knowitall degree in environmental science...?

I am so overwhelmed by this new piece of scientific irrelevance I can't get my breath.

The degree is actually in Environmental Conservation you nitwit.

Anyway keep digging. Try ignoring the real questions and introduce more irrelevant, off topic obfuscation. That's the only thing you've done on this thread so far.

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Have you ever actually visited an oil refinery Chuck?....
Mr educated knowitall degree in environmental science...?

I am so overwhelmed by this new piece of scientific irrelevance I can't get my breath.

The degree is actually in Environmental Conservation you nitwit.

Anyway keep digging. Try ignoring the real questions and introduce more irrelevant, off topic obfuscation. That's the only thing you've done on this thread so far.

Errr, how is an oil refinery not related to the environmental crisis?

Did you miss something in "Ennvironmental Conservation 101"...