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    12 countries in Latin America sign an agreement in Lima that Venezuela is not a democracy.

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    Venezuela’s neighbours try to put financial pressure on Maduro

    Mr Maduro convoked the constituent assembly in what he claims is an attempt to resolve the nation's multiple crises, but critics insist it is a power grab.

    “There are two points to stress,” Luis Videgaray, Mexico’s foreign minister, said from Lima, where the foreign ministers’ meeting was held. “The first is our full support for the National Assembly. The second is that we do not recognise rulings [by the constituent assembly] that the Venezuelan constitution requires the National Assembly to pass.”[at]

    Under the current constitution, National Assembly approval is required for all debt issues and energy joint ventures, including those that Caracas hopes to sign with Russian state-energy company Rosneft.

    The so-called Lima declaration, which “condemns the rupture of Venezuela’s democratic order”, was signed by Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay and Peru.[at]

    Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua, all sympathetic to Mr Maduro, did not attend and instead joined a rival meeting held in Caracas, where Cuban foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez called the July 30 election of Mr Maduro’s constituent assembly “a lesson in democracy”. The vote has been plagued by allegations of fraud, including from the company that provided the electronic voting machines.[at]

    The United States also did not attend the Lima meeting in what appeared to be a bid to take a back seat and let Latin American countries take the lead in dealing with Venezuela. Washington has already levied a series of targeted sanctions against leading officials in the regime, including Mr Maduro, and is reportedly pressing European and Latin American nations to follow suit.[at]

    Venezuela’s deepening political crisis and the threat of additional US sanctions, such as a ban on imports of Venezuelan oil, has worsened the country’s turmoil. Repsol, the Spanish energy company, has pulled its foreign workers from Venezuela, as has Norway’s Statoil. Chevron of the US and France’s Total have also removed some of their employees.[at]

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    So Maduro has effectively made himself the sole law maker.

    I wonder how long the military will stay out of it now he can't afford to pay them off?

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- The new constitutional assembly assumed even more power in Venezuela by declaring itself as the superior body to all other governmental institutions, including the opposition-controlled congress.

    That decree came Tuesday just hours after the assembly delegates took control of a legislative chamber and put up pictures of the late President Hugo Chavez, who installed Venezuela's socialist system.

    Delcy Rodriguez, the head of the ruling socialist party and leader of the body, said the unanimously approved decree prohibits lawmakers in congress from taking any action that would interfere with laws passed by the newly installed constitutional assembly.

    "We are not threatening anyone," said Aristobulo Isturiz, the constitutional assembly's first vice president. "We are looking for ways to coexist."

    Leaders of congress, which previously voted not to recognize any of the new super-body's decrees, said lawmakers would try to meet in the gold-domed legislative palace Wednesday, but there were questions whether security officers guarding the building would let them in.

    The opposition to President Nicolas Maduro also faced another fight Wednesday before the government-stacked Supreme Court, which scheduled a hearing on charges against a Caracas-area opposition mayor. The judges convicted another mayor Tuesday for failing to move against protesters during four months of political unrest.

    In calling the July 30 election for the constitutional assembly, Maduro said a new constitution would help resolve the nation's political standoff, but opposition leaders view it is a power grab and the president's allies have said they will go after his opponents. Before its decree declaring itself all-powerful, the assembly ousted Venezuela's outspoken chief prosecutor, established a "truth commission" expected to target Maduro's foes and pledged "support and solidarity" with the unpopular president.

    The latest surge of protests began in early April in reaction to a quickly rescinded attempt by the government-supporting Supreme Court to strip the National Assembly of its powers. But the unrest ballooned into a widespread movement fed by anger over Venezuela's triple-digest inflation, shortages of food and medicine, and high crime.

    Opposition lawmakers said security forces led by Rodriguez broke into the congress building late Monday and seized control of an unused, ceremonial chamber almost identical to the one where lawmakers meet.

    "This government invades the spaces that it is not capable of legitimately winning," Stalin Gonzalez, an opposition lawmaker, wrote on Twitter, alluding to the opposition's overwhelming victory in the 2015 congressional elections.

    Before the assembly met Tuesday, the pro-government Supreme Court sentenced a Caracas-area mayor to 15 months in prison for not following an order to remove barricades set up during anti-government demonstrations.

    Ramon Muchacho was the fourth opposition mayor ordered arrested by the high court the past two weeks. His whereabouts were not known, but he denounced the ruling on Twitter.

    The constitutional assembly's meeting Tuesday came amid mounting criticism from foreign governments that have refused to recognize the new body.

    The foreign ministers of 17 Western Hemisphere nations met in Peru to discuss how to force Maduro to back down. The ministers issued a statement after the meeting condemning the body and reiterating previous calls for the parties in Venezuela to negotiate on ending the political crisis.

    Meanwhile, leaders from the Bolivarian Alliance, a leftist coalition of 11 Latin American nations, met in Caracas and declared the creation of the constitutional assembly a "sovereign act" aimed at helping Venezuela overcome its difficulties.

    "We reiterate the call for a constructive and respectful dialogue," the alliance said in a statement read after the meeting.

    Since the disputed election, security forces have stepped up their presence. A U.N. human rights commissioner report issued Tuesday warned of "widespread and systematic use" of excessive force, arbitrary detention and other rights violations against demonstrators.

    Only a few dozen demonstrators heeded the opposition's call to set up traffic-snarling roadblocks in Caracas on Tuesday to show opposition to the new assembly, underlining the fear and resignation among that has weakened turnout for street protests that once drew hundreds of thousands. At least 124 people have been killed and hundreds injured or detained during the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Very Putin-like. Stick all your mates in the jobs that could threaten you.
    One wonders who forces other countries leaders to offer top government positions. Alternatively has anyone raised the spectre that The LORD "advises" the golden prat who to appoint. I feel another Spanish Inquisition being launched.


    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    “The first is our full support for the National Assembly. The second is that we do not recognise rulings [by the constituent assembly] that the Venezuelan constitution requires the National Assembly to pass.”[at
    From Venezuelans Constitution:

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/constitution

    Article 343: The initiative for a constitution reform shall be processed by the National Assembly as follows:
    (1) The draft constitutional reform shall be debated for the first time during the legislative session during which it is submitted.
    (2) Second debate title by title or chapter by chapter, as applicable.
    (3) Third and last debate article by article.
    (4) The National Assembly shall approve the draft constitutional reform in a time period no latter than two years, counted since the date the reform application was submitted and approved.


    Article 344: Once approved by the National Assembly, the draft constitutional reform shall be submitted to a referendum within 30 days from its approval. The referendum shall pass on the reform as a whole, but up to one third of the same may be voted on separately, if at least one third of the National Assembly so agrees, or if in the initiative for the reform, the President of the Republic or a number of registered voters equivalent to at least 5% of the total registered with the Civil and Electoral Registry so requests.

    It appears, the President only needed 5%, of the registered voters, to agree with the amendment.

    If that is the case he is working with the current, approved and accepted by the 12 now doubting countries, Constitution. I wonder who tweaked the responsibility to their own citizens as opposed to outside pressure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Noticias - BBC Mundo


    Good to see the BBC "clarifying" things again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    “There are two points to stress,” Luis Videgaray, Mexico’s foreign minister, said from Lima, where the foreign ministers’ meeting was held. “The first is our full support for the National Assembly.


    Possibly full support for the Venezuelan Constitution is the primary decision to agree on. Then onto the secondary institutions as defined, by the accepted by all for some time, constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    The so-called Lima declaration, which “condemns the rupture of Venezuela’s democratic order”, was signed by Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay and Peru.[at]


    Not actually saying it is an unconstitutional act. Although many will mistakenly read it as such. One wonders why the countries above did not raise the constitutional issues prior to this event.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    So Maduro has effectively made himself the sole law maker.


    The President is abiding by/working with his countries constitution, unlike some larger more brutal countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    Socialism always delivers...


    Compare what some socialist countries have delivered to their citizens this century, to the more "Change you can believe in, MAGA" illusions/undelivered promises capitalist countries, prior to making unfounded posts.
    Last edited by OhOh; 10-08-2017 at 10:46 AM.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Very Putin-like. Stick all your mates in the jobs that could threaten you.
    Any link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Very Putin-like. Stick all your mates in the jobs that could threaten you.
    Any link?
    Oh FFS Google it, I'm not wasting my time explaining the simple shit to idiots.

    Hint: Yury Chaika.

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    A bad healdline, but hey, it's from the Washingon Post.
    In addition to a possible economic contraction of 10% there is a looming sovereign debt crisis.



    The Americas
    In Venezuela, the economy may yet do what the opposition couldn’t


    By Anthony Faiola and Rachelle Krygier August 11, 2017

    CARACAS, Venezuela — The autocratic government of President Nicolás Maduro is sharply intensifying its crackdown on dissent, issuing arrest warrants for rebellious mayors, targeting unfriendly politicians and menacing average citizens who speak their minds. Yet if it’s enemies of the state Maduro is after, one threat looms larger than any [at]other.

    New estimates from the large Venezuelan data firm Ecoanalítica suggest that the economy could shrink 10.4 percent this year, exacerbating a four-year nosedive that some economists already call worse than the [at]United States’ Great Depression.
    Potentially more dangerous, [at]analysts say, is the prospect of a sovereign debt crisis that could bring the country to a whole new level of economic pain.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c86a547b56ee

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    Ah yes, the left doing what it does best.

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    Well the idiot Drumpf is now saying that the military option is not off the table for Venezuela. What a fucking idiot.

    Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AR2GR

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    "The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary," Trump told reporters in an impromptu question and answer session.

    Then, they will no longer suffer...

    (Haven't we heard it before the Iraq invasion, Libya, Syria, Jemen, you name it?)

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    The United Nations Security Council was briefed behind closed doors on Venezuela in May at the request of the United States. At the time, U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley said Washington was just trying to raise awareness of the situation and was not seeking any action by the 15-member Security Council.

    (wondering, whether such procedure was meant by Harry when he claimed I have no F.. clue how it works at the SC...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    Socialism always delivers...


    Compare what some socialist countries have delivered to their citizens this century, to the more "Change you can believe in, MAGA" illusions/undelivered promises capitalist countries, prior to making unfounded posts.
    Are you insane? I mean, are you actually saying that, and do you actually understand what you are saying?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Well the idiot Drumpf is now saying that the military option is not off the table for Venezuela. What a fucking idiot.

    Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AR2GR
    So, the intelligent option is to leave them to it? Murdering, raping, torturing, destroying personal property and national assets, and driving the economic into the stone age? That's the intelligent option, is it? Do you know what the words "fucking idiot" mean? Or do you just read them off your forehead every time you look in the mirror. I guess you count Obama's legacy in Libya and in Syria as a success, yeah? You regard North Korea as a fantastic system hampered by external imperialists?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^
    The United Nations Security Council was briefed behind closed doors on Venezuela in May at the request of the United States. At the time, U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley said Washington was just trying to raise awareness of the situation and was not seeking any action by the 15-member Security Council.

    (wondering, whether such procedure was meant by Harry when he claimed I have no F.. clue how it works at the SC...)
    Yep, you still don't.

    What the fuck is the point of this? There is no mention of any action, or any action being blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    A bad healdline, but hey, it's from the Washingon Post.
    In addition to a possible economic contraction of 10% there is a looming sovereign debt crisis.



    The Americas
    In Venezuela, the economy may yet do what the opposition couldn’t


    By Anthony Faiola and Rachelle Krygier August 11, 2017

    CARACAS, Venezuela — The autocratic government of President Nicolás Maduro is sharply intensifying its crackdown on dissent, issuing arrest warrants for rebellious mayors, targeting unfriendly politicians and menacing average citizens who speak their minds. Yet if it’s enemies of the state Maduro is after, one threat looms larger than any [at]other.

    New estimates from the large Venezuelan data firm Ecoanalítica suggest that the economy could shrink 10.4 percent this year, exacerbating a four-year nosedive that some economists already call worse than the [at]United States’ Great Depression.
    Potentially more dangerous, [at]analysts say, is the prospect of a sovereign debt crisis that could bring the country to a whole new level of economic pain.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c86a547b56ee
    Venezuela needs $110+ oil to just break even.

    They are sooooooo fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Well the idiot Drumpf is now saying that the military option is not off the table for Venezuela. What a fucking idiot.

    Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AR2GR
    So, the intelligent option is to leave them to it? Murdering, raping, torturing, destroying personal property and national assets, and driving the economic into the stone age? That's the intelligent option, is it? Do you know what the words "fucking idiot" mean? Or do you just read them off your forehead every time you look in the mirror. I guess you count Obama's legacy in Libya and in Syria as a success, yeah? You regard North Korea as a fantastic system hampered by external imperialists?!
    Once again you post up a bunch a spastic right wing gibberish. Venezuela is a sovereign nation state with a well trained army that is loyal to the government. To threaten military force is absurd. The country is all jungle for christ sake.

    So you in multiple threads have come out in favor of starting two wars simultaneously. First with NK and now with Venezuela. You clearly are beyond clueless of the gravity of either of these potential conflicts. SMH

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Well the idiot Drumpf is now saying that the military option is not off the table for Venezuela. What a fucking idiot.

    Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AR2GR
    So, the intelligent option is to leave them to it? Murdering, raping, torturing, destroying personal property and national assets, and driving the economic into the stone age? That's the intelligent option, is it? Do you know what the words "fucking idiot" mean? Or do you just read them off your forehead every time you look in the mirror. I guess you count Obama's legacy in Libya and in Syria as a success, yeah? You regard North Korea as a fantastic system hampered by external imperialists?!
    Once again you post up a bunch a spastic right wing gibberish. Venezuela is a sovereign nation state with a well trained army that is loyal to the government. To threaten military force is absurd. The country is all jungle for christ sake.

    So you in multiple threads have come out in favor of starting two wars simultaneously. First with NK and now with Venezuela. You clearly are beyond clueless of the gravity of either of these potential conflicts. SMH


    Why would military action against Venezuela require war, a few well placed missile strikes would be sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    a few well placed missile strikes would be sufficient.
    Right that worked before against Saddam. A couple of missiles will take down the whole regime. Why must you people always be so stupid?
    Last edited by bsnub; 13-08-2017 at 08:57 AM.

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    Please delete.
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    ^ What is that garbled mess?

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    A couple of missiles will take down the whole regime.
    Yes, that's what He said: to finish the people's "suffering"... (for once and ever)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mackayae View Post
    Please delete.
    One of the more thoughtful posts in this thread.

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    Folks,

    Let me say this again.

    It does NOT matter what Trump says. Don't take what he says seriously.

    Don't fall for it again, like so many people did during the election. Most of the US govt policies are the same as the previous administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Most of the US govt policies are the same as the previous administration.
    So somebody should tell it to US people. Can save big money for the 2-years lunacy when madly looking for the best of the bests...

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