Thread: Leaked TTIP documents cast doubt on EU-US trade deal

Leaked TTIP documents cast doubt on EU-US trade deal | Business | The Guardian

https://www.ttip-leaks.org/

Download the leaks here.

“These leaked documents give us an unparalleled look at the scope of US demands to lower or circumvent EU protections for environment and public health as part of TTIP. The EU position is very bad, and the US position is terrible. The prospect of a TTIP compromising within that range is an awful one. The way is being cleared for a race to the bottom in environmental, consumer protection and public health standards.”

US proposals include an obligation on the EU to inform its industries of any planned regulations in advance, and to allow them the same input into EU regulatory processes as European firms.

American firms could influence the content of EU laws at several points along the regulatory line, including through a plethora of proposed technical working groups and committees.

The US is also proposing new articles on “science and risk” to give firms greater regulatory say. Disputes over pesticides residues and food safety would be dealt with by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation’s Codex Alimentarius system......Environmentalists say the body has loose rules on corporate influence, allowing employees of companies such as BASF, Nestle and Coca Cola to sit on –

...and so on. The Merkins are scum. Sorry, but this is horrendous. Anyone still think that obomba is a decent respectable man? It is him pushing this complete and utter attack on the individuals of Europe, condemning us to the SHIT that the US sell out system pumps out. He wants this as his legacy, which says a lot about the type of people who he is interested in impressing.

I heard about this a few days ago.
The TTIP is crumbling.
Thank fuck for that

Good
lets hope they don't just change its name and rubber stamp it.
Best if UK get out of the EU and do our own trade deals

Another of the Ameristani's "changes" go down in flames. The western version of democracy at it's best.

It really does beggar belief when you have all these loyal flag waving merkins saying how great obomba is - they don't even bother to read things like this which demonstrate clearly what he is - a corporate puppet who will willingly play his role in the charade known as US politics. They continue to believe him on a range of other topics, when the man is nothing but a low down grub.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

play his role in the charade known as US politics

If only the POTUSE attended to US issues on not rape the rest of us.

Maybe the next one will read some Ameristani history and "avoid foreign entanglements".

No chance - hillary has already been selected, with trump playing his part to campaign for her. Everything trump says and does is specifically targeted to get that bitch votes. When she is in office, it is war with iran.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

saying how great obomba is

yes - it is his fault , and he is a black muslim

the quicker trump takes charge the better for every one

pseudo you should be congratulated for peeling back the lips of this scabrous deception and exposing the depths of the cnut within

Originally Posted by baldrick

yes - it is his fault , and he is a black muslim

what a typically pathetic response from a dullard IT boy.

Obomba is the BRAND who is pushing TTIP and TPP. It will destroy australia as well by the way.... just so you know.

Trump? He's only in the Selection to push voters to hillary. Blimey - you are dense.

Originally Posted by baldrick

yes I believe these trade treaties are only for corporate interests to allow them to extend retarded US laws to other countries and increase their revenue streams by legally extorting other countries governments and citizens , but I do not believe they will be ratified. this internet thingy allows communication and leaking and more people are moving into the space where they can learn from the information that is available

muddying the waters with freakish conspiracy theories is only a hinderance perpetrated by men very similar to politicians whose aims are to just propel their names into the spotlight so they can claim their dreamed of rewards - just more common gutter scum

the data leak from a year ago of the fraudulant legal den in one of the worlds tax havens will be repeated

Well the red was worth it then - spiked you into actually contributing rather than being a hairythetwat clone.

So - lets see if you will continue in this new found spirit of discourse.

you accept, rightly, the dangers of TTIP and TPP? Fair to say?

So what is the conspiracy theory then?

Is obomba not pushing TTIP and TPP? Is my saying that a conspiracy theory?

If you agree, which really you must, that he is pushing it with his road show trying to sell and close the deals, and constant quotes of him being "confident" it will happen, is that a conspiracy theory?

If he is pushing something that on balance, most level headed people, including yourself, who see that all they are doing is trying to legalize theft and extortion by big US business around the world, what does this say about his character? Is he trustworthy? When he is doing something so abhorrent, should this not be held up against anything else he has done or wants to do?

The Greenpeace leak was a few days ago. As usual though, they do not leak all of the documents they have, and only the ones that impact their cause. The Tax Haven leak was the same - they withheld all of the US firms that are in it up their necks in legal tax avoidance schemes.

So sure - chuck around your "conspiracy theorist" jibe as much as you like. However, unless I am reading you wrong, on this occasion you seem to be agreeing with a conspiracy theorist, loathed as you are to admit it. If you are not agreeing that obomba's pushing of this horrendous "legalised extortion" of a trade deal should bring into question everything else he has done, then what ever you are smoking, you need to stop it.


Lastly... unless people are informed about it, it will happen. The EU can pass it. Boris when he become PM is the UK exits the EU will sign it. Conspiracy theorists, as you call people, in the most just try to bring to peoples attention things that they need to know. Problem is though... even people like you who are concerned about TPP think it is a conspiracy theory, believing that it will never happen. Well, they tried this before, and it was stopped because "conspiracy theorists" made people aware. The corrupt politicians didn't and the media didn't.

Dr Paul Craig Roberts


Says it like it is- TTIP a Trade deal? No chance. It is granting the US big businesses sovereignty over every country within the deal.

Well worth watching from 3;30. The fool from the "Independent" media rag pushes a lot of bullshit lies, and luckily Dr Roberts doesn't let him get away with it.

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist, journalist, blogger and former civil servant.[3] His articles on political economy are widely-read and distributed across the web.

He reached the height of his government career when he became the United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan in 1981

If Boris gets his way and we leave the EU, these so called Trade deals which he is in favour of will not exist if he signs the agreement.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Everything trump says and does is specifically targeted to get that bitch votes.

Maybe i'm a bit dense psuedolus but
i don't quite get that reasoning, Repu vs Demo.

Cheers for the vid.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

If Boris gets his way and we leave the EU, these so called Trade deals which he is in favour of will not exist if he signs the agreement.

Not quite sure what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that is Brexit happens and boris is undemocratic ally crowned PM, we would avoid TTIP?

If so, note that he always says "people say little britain can't make trade deals"? He will sign up the UK to the TTIP framework straight away, and use that to gloat "Look what little britain did.... aren't we good". TTIP is worse than the EU.


Trump is a supporter of hillary. He is a clinton insider. He can never get elected, but hillary, a criminal, a liar, a murderer, a pedofile excuser, has a bad image. They needed her to run against someone even worse. So Trump stepped forward to help. Everything he says will ensure that come the selection all women, all immigrants and people of colour, and basically anyone who is not an idiot will vote for hillary. She will then go to war against Iran. Sanders job is always the same - get people excited and then tell people to vote for the preferred choice of the owners of the US.

The fix is in - the net is closing.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

He will sign up the UK to the TTIP framework straight away, and use that to gloat "Look what little britain did.... aren't we good". TTIP is worse than the EU.

And 99% of the Brexit folk don't realise what's actually coming.
Also with Sovereignty.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

and basically anyone who is an idiot will vote for hillary.

fixed that.

I could see Trump having an early heart-attack or taken out.

Interesting times to come.

Strength of Sander's vote and Trumps vote, going to Clinton would be devastating for Americans.
Ole Bill tucked up in the White House after being almost impeached last time.
Beggars belief really.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Corbyn is pro TTIP as well by the way....

wtf, think the average Joe has a very bleak future in the free world.

Entertainment in elections.

you gotta laugh at them calling each other liars, frauds, cannot trust this man, he lies with every sentence,,,, yea the Don slagging off everyone and everyone slagging him off and Hillary being the perfect whore.
And Bernie and the 2nd coming.
Even Cruise,,, thee most boring speaker i have ever encountered,, he could make a guy puke-up.
Its all a perfect mess.

Cheers for your efforts here pseudolus.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

If Boris gets his way and we leave the EU, these so called Trade deals which he is in favour of will not exist if he signs the agreement.

It appears that cracks on the "solid backing by the EU" are increasing in size. Will there be anything for Boris to sign?

German Government Turns Against TTIP Despite Merkel?s Support



German Agriculture Minister Christian Schmidt criticized the United States for not making “any serious concessions”.

In his interview for Der Spiegel, Schmidt said that the trade agreement, already sparking a decent amount of controversy, does not provide significant concessions to German food producers, offering minor concessions to the automotive sector instead.
"We won't sacrifice our high food safety standards in a barter trade for approval of European car blinkers," he said.
"One has nothing to do with the other," he said. "There won't be any such horse-trading."
While both red amber and red car blinkers are allowed in the US, the exact specific color of "amber" differs slightly between the markets. This can be viewed as an illustration of the extent of "concessions" proposed in TTIP.






Trojan Horse: Most Germans Worried That EU-US Deal Will Hurt National Interests



This trade agreement has been backed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel who claimed she "will do anything to conclude negotiations" before the end of this year. Such support was called "really striking" by Austrian politics expert Stefan Haderer.
Earlier, French politicians joined hands in their struggle against the agreement, with French President Francois Hollande going as far as threatening to reject the agreement in its current form, because it promotes "unregulated free trade". According to French environmentalists, should France sign the agreement, it will "sacrifice French agriculture to get access to the US procurement market."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...65d_story.html

Obomba write in and washington post. If anyone is in any doubt that this a global take over, and far from "trade agreements"... well this is straight from the horses mouth.

America should write the rules. America should call the shots. Other countries should play by the rules that America and our partners set, and not the other way around.


That’s what the TPP gives us the power to do

Note - partners, not partner countries.

Barry - why should any other country bother to sign this contract when you state that you US Interests would write the riles, and they put America first.

a high-standard Trans- Pacific Partnership, a trade deal that puts American workers first and makes sure we write the rules of the road for trade in the 21st century.

No wonder thailand is ditching this and going with Russia instead.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It really does beggar belief when you have all these loyal flag waving merkins saying how great obomba is - they don't even bother to read things like this which demonstrate clearly what he is - a corporate puppet who will willingly play his role in the charade known as US politics. They continue to believe him on a range of other topics, when the man is nothing but a low down grub.

Like the sack of shit that preceded him, he's pushing the World towards a era of corporatism. But considering that only 12% of Americans can even name the Prime Minister of Britain, Obama can do whatever he wants in Europe without damaging his phony image.

American TV news is too busy covering cars that hit fire hydrants and spurt water in the air.

Nothing more than a puppet of the Globalists.

Originally Posted by BobR

American TV news is too busy covering cars that hit fire hydrants and spurt water in the air.

Agree with everything and of course TV's job is to stop people talking and noticing by distracting them with bullshit.

There appears to be a EU?Canadian equivalent being rushed through before the voters know.

LEAKED: Tories want to ram EU-Canada trade deal through parliament without MPs’ consent



https://www.rt.com/uk/344462-ceta-leak-trade-brexit/


"Leaked minutes of a meeting in Brussels suggest Downing Street is trying to fast-track an EU-Canada trade deal that will allow corporations to sue national governments in secret courts without parliamentary consent.


The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) is free trade deal between Canada and Europe, which shares many traits with the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal being brokered between the EU and US.
Campaigners warn CETA, which has been finalized but not ratified, would pave the way for a “corporate power grab,” while undercutting vital legislation put in place to protect workers’ rights, the environment and consumer safety.

Leaked minutes of a meeting held on May 13, seen by UK campaign Global Justice Now (GJN), shed light on recent discussions concerning the agreement. EU ministers had gathered in Brussels to review EU trade negotiations and Europe’s steel industry crisis. The minutes suggest that although the majority of EU states say CETA needs parliamentary approval at national level ahead of implementation, Downing Street called for its “earliest possible entry into force.” The governments of a further seven EU states, including Finland, Spain, Estonia, Sweden, Cyprus and Lithuania, also took this stance."


Oh, democracy, accountability to the electorate what a devilish arrangement.

Originally Posted by blue

Good
lets hope they don't just change its name and rubber stamp it.
Best if UK get out of the EU and do our own trade deals

Missing the point completely as usual blue... Brexit means being able to bring in TTIP without having to gain approval from the EU.

No..? Who is the number 1 ally of the US in Europe..?

The FT has a report suggesting due to upcoming elections around the world and a steady backlash against it there is no hope of it being signed any time soon.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/466ebdd4-f...bda8beb40.html