Thread: West's Islamophobia only helping Isis

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Punic is a semitic language. It's not even remotely related to Greek.

Punic evolved into Greek, fool.

You are absolutely, completely, and totally wrong. There is absolutely no relationship between the Phoenician language and the Greek language. You really, really don't get that alphabets and languages are different things, do you? Even children can understand this simple concept but it seems to be beyond you. Go, on, show that the Punic language evolved into the Greek language, if it's true then there should be any amount of evidence for this, it should be a well known fact. Give us some references.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Fuk me, I've got (against my better judgement) a couple of conferences coming up this year where I'm gonna have to call out these bastards; it ain't gonna be pretty...

Give 'em hell, Betty. And be coarse. If they complain, tell them it's not rude language, it's a modern pre-proto language of the teakdoorian variety, and they shoulda fuckin known that what wiv dem bein' linguists an' all.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Punic is a semitic language. It's not even remotely related to Greek.

Punic evolved into Greek, fool.

You are absolutely, completely, and totally wrong. There is absolutely no relationship between the Phoenician language and the Greek language. You really, really don't get that alphabets and languages are different things, do you? Even children can understand this simple concept but it seems to be beyond you. Go, on, show that the Punic language evolved into the Greek language, if it's true then there should be any amount of evidence for this, it should be a well known fact. Give us some references.

Nice dodgy side-step, there.

From the Doghouse " Muslim issues' thread
My post #9002, which has conveniently slipped your memory.

"The Phoenician alphabet is derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs [4] and became one of the most widely used writing systems, spread by Phoenician merchants across the Mediterranean world, where it evolved and was assimilated by many other cultures.

The Paleo-Hebrew alphabet was directly derived from Phoenician. Another derivative script is the Aramaic alphabet, which was the ancestor of the modern Arabic script. The Modern Hebrew script is a stylistic variant of the Aramaic script. The Greek alphabet (and by extension its descendants such as the Latin, the Cyrillic, and the Coptic) was also derived from Phoenician."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

Yes, alphabets. ALPHABETS> How many times does it have to be said. ALPHABETS ARE NOT THE SAME AS LANGUAGES!!!

Originally Posted by ENT

Nice dodgy side-step, there.

What dodgy side-step? You are claiming the Greek language is derived from the Punic language. It is not. The alphabet is. Many alphabets derive from teh Punic alphabet. Your problem is that do not know the difference between an alphabet and a language. A shocking piece of ignorance. I know you are absolutely unable to accept being worng but the fact is you have the laughably stupid error of confusing an alphabet with a language and assume that languages sharing an alphabet or an ancestral alphabet must be related. They are not.

Your idea that the Greek language is a form of the Phoenician language is utterly insane. They are no more related than Vietnamese and German, which also alphabets derived from the Phoenician.

That's correct, many tribes and people around the world did not have a written language until recently missionaries wrote it down in this alphabet

Are we including the English/British tribe? The 1611 King James Bible was kinda the first widespread effort at English; pretty much relied on Latin before that...

Originally Posted by Neverna

And be coarse. If they complain, tell them it's not rude language, it's a modern pre-proto language of the teakdoorian variety, and they shoulda fuckin known that what wiv dem bein' linguists an' all.

Indeed. And, I do. I hate academic conventions as they seem to stifle new knowledge and movement within academia. Thus, I always challenge academic conventions by using basic words (very easy for me... ) and unconventional language (always a delight to call a theory one made by ignorant cnuts... ).

A few years back I decided to move away from academic norms and just avoid the fukers at conferences and via articles, but I've gotten so bored in Oman and Korea that I've been tempted back - holidays in Vladivostok and either Israel/Italy this year around conferences (I get paid to write articles, so I can lump the conference into that). The downside is: you're surrounded by eeejots at these conferences...

I cannae be dun with eejits. No time for them. I could tell you tales. But I won't.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

Nice dodgy side-step, there.

You are claiming the Greek language is derived from the Punic language..

Your idea that the Greek language is a form of the Phoenician language

Can't you read?

I said,

"The Greek alphabet (and by extension its descendants such as the Latin, the Cyrillic, and the Coptic) was also derived from Phoenician."

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

... academic conventions....stifle new knowledge and movement within academia.

....you're surrounded by eeejots at these conferences...

I reckon you could lump DrGob,...er Blob...Bob in with that pedantic over-defensive lot.

You're obviously stupid as well as a pompous pedant.

Now where's this glorious howler you're on about, Gob?

Well, along with everything else you wrote I particularly enjoyed this one.

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange, in day to day living they they spoke Pictish, Brythonic/ 'Welsh' (a Saxon term) evolving throughout that time from 4,000 BC onwards.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Well, along with everything else you wrote I particularly enjoyed this one.

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange, in day to day living they they spoke Pictish, Brythonic/ 'Welsh' (a Saxon term) evolving throughout that time from 4,000 BP onwards. The language had clearly evolved into what is called Welsh today. Bede 735 AD, said that the natives of Britain spoke British (Cymraeg), Pictish, Scots and English by his time.

Glad you liked it.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Well, along with everything else you wrote I particularly enjoyed this one.

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange, in day to day living they they spoke Pictish, Brythonic/ 'Welsh' (a Saxon term) evolving throughout that time from 4,000 BP onwards. The language had clearly evolved into what is called Welsh today. Bede 735 AD, said that the natives of Britain spoke British (Cymraeg), Pictish, Scots and English by his time.

Glad you liked it.

I'm often impressed by your ability to believe idess and to write posts that contain not a single shred of fact, evidence or truth. It's whatever the opposite of a talent is.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Well, along with everything else you wrote I particularly enjoyed this one.

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange, in day to day living they they spoke Pictish, Brythonic/ 'Welsh' (a Saxon term) evolving throughout that time from 4,000 BP onwards. The language had clearly evolved into what is called Welsh today. Bede 735 AD, said that the natives of Britain spoke British (Cymraeg), Pictish, Scots and English by his time.

Glad you liked it.

I'm often impressed by your ability to believe idess and to write posts that contain not a single shred of fact, evidence or truth. It's whatever the opposite of a talent is.

So do you think that Caesar, Bede and the BBC were telling porkies, Gob?

Did they say greek and phoenician were the same language and spoken in Britain in 4000bc, the late stone age? I don't think so. That's your particular piece of stupidity.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Did they say greek and phoenician were the same language and spoken in Britain in 4000bc, the late stone age? I don't think so. That's your particular piece of stupidity.

No one's ever claimed that Greek and Phoenician were the same language, as they were clearly not.

Nor were they spoken in Britain in the late Neolithic after the Armenians arrived with their metal working skills and language.

Even the Mycenaeans had difficulty adopting the Linear B alphabet to their form of early Greek.

Michael Ventris reckoned that the early Phoenician, Linear A and B and Greek scripts were "all Greek to him", a well used cliche from the 1600s, as he was attempting to decipher Minoan Linear B.

Greek (of some form) was spoken in Britain at the time of Claudius Caesar's invasion, but I doubt that it spread much further than the Phoenician trade ports and routes, and Latin certainly didn't suddenly spread across Britain either, as the Romans hardly ventured beyond their established roads and colonies in Britain.

So who introduced Greek to Britain?

Originally Posted by ENT

No one's ever claimed that Greek and Phoenician were the same language, as they were clearly not.

Really?

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

No one's ever claimed that Greek and Phoenician were the same language, as they were clearly not.

Really?

Originally Posted by ENT

They spoke a form of Greek (Punic) in trade and exchange

My mistake, I should have said Greek and Punic.
The Greek form was koine(common) Greek.

Greek language was also influenced by many Phoenician words, and probably vice versa but there aren't any surviving Punic or Phoenician manuscript that I know of to support the contention.

There are a number of words in Greek derived from Phoenician or related Semitic languages, as they also derived much of their art, religion and culture from the Phoenicians and Minoans.

Right and yet when your "mistake" was pointed out earlier you said

Originally Posted by ENT

Punic evolved into Greek, fool

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Look, ent, you clearly have absolutely no idea about this subject and your inability to admit that is childish and embarrassing. You're way out of your depth here.

Get back to your muzzies r bad posts, that's well within your intellectual zone and doesn't require much actual knowledge you can be called out on.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Right: and yet when your "mistake" was pointed out earlier you said

Originally Posted by ENT

Punic evolved into Greek, fool

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Look, ent, you clearly have absolutely no idea about this subject and your inability to admit that is childish and embarrassing. You're way out of your depth here.

Get back to your muzzies r bad posts, that's well within your intellectual zone and doesn't require much actual knowledge you can be called out on.

Don't try riding a high horse around me, boy.

I admitted my mistake, which is something you're incapable of, as when you claimed that Sikh terrorists had massacred thousands, a completely crazy idea.

Why don't you be a good girl and get back to your karaoke, it suits you.

You clearly haven't a clue about what went on in Britain for the 2,000 odd years before the Romans, you even think that the so called 'Welsh' (Cymraeg/ Khymric) language only arrived in the 6th century AD, while it had been flourishing since at least the 5th century BC with the advent of the Brythonics, and most likely longer in the Celtic form introduced by the Armenians, 1,500 years before then.

As for your outdated Anglo-centric notion that the Indo-Europeans were a separate lot from the Semites, take another look, for the IE group evolved around Armenia where Phoenicians originated from also, IE spreading west towards Anatolia, north towards the Danube, south into Canaan and east into India, not out of India.

The Phoenicians thus shared a common ancestry with the Greeks, who also migrated from there, something you seemingly know nothing about.

Good idea, have a good think about it, take your time.