Thread: West's Islamophobia only helping Isis

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by chassamui

Which do you think the west chose to target for their opposing philosophy?

That's the key right there in my opinion.

This whole 'Us Vs. Them' mentality is exactly what Isis wants and propagates themselves. They're selling a holy war against the evil/corrupt West to recruit and the West is doing their part by playing into it.

Agreed. The only way it could be worse is if they were doing so deliberately.
There does seem to be a general antipathy among western nations to put boots on the ground, yet they maintain quite high profile air attacks to avoid western casualties.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Agreed. The only way it could be worse is if they were doing so deliberately.

All the rhetoric and pandering to hate-mongers coming from the GOP contenders certainly has a tinge of opportunism and deliberateness to it.

I was hoping to not stoke the fires of conspiracy, but if the policy of attacking ISIS with military might in the muslim heartland was in any way a sop to the MIC, it would become a double whammy against the west.
The USA and Europe have substantial interests in the sales of military hardware and software to the ME.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

There are approx 1 1/2 Billion believers of Islam in the world...supposedly 1,500,000,000 followers (in round figures).

If only 1/10 of 1% do not want to share the earth with you, do not want to tolerate your existence and want to eradicate you possibly for not being an avid believer in the Koran and Mohammed , then you only have to wonder about 1 1/2 Million potentially violent fundamentalists.

Hmm...so what is the problem ?

Maybe if either Allah or the Christian God exist, it's about time he or she showed up and said hello.

A more intelligent World would designate a time and place for "god" to prove his or her existence and immediately dismantle all religion for any entity that didn't show up.

The fiction of religion has always been a convenient tool for controlling the masses but now it's doing more harm than good.

Originally Posted by BobR

Maybe if either Allah or the Christian God exist, it's about time he or she showed up and said hello.

He/She/They/It is the worst kind of absentee landlord.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

When was the last time you saw anyone other than a muslim holding a head ?

Cutting a persons throat is one quick way of ending their live. Dropping bombs from air planes, firing missiles at civilians, starving people ... are less efficient and have "collateral damage" implications. Destroying hospitals/schools, poisoning water supplies take a little longer.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Who do you think is the motivating factor for terrorism?

Western citizens apathy, blindness and covetousness.

Originally Posted by ENT

Saudi Arabia.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Western citizens apathy, blindness and covetousness.

I think there are sufficient examples of ignorance (blindness) and denial by posters on here to demonstrate the size of the problem.
Surely apathy can be ruled out at this point? Just talking to a Thai friend who likes to holiday in Europe or the US every year. This years plans on hold for some reason.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by chassamui

Who do you think is the motivating factor for terrorism?

Western citizens apathy, blindness and covetousness.

Rubbish.

The only thing that motivates Islamic terrorism is their desire for world domination.

Originally Posted by ENT

Rubbish. The only thing that motivates Islamic terrorism is their desire for world domination.

If you believe that a certain group of people can organise the types of attacks by themselves funded/planned/supplied/managed/executed from a desert tent village then continue to try and attach a label.



If you attach a label, in this case, a certain religion, take a look at the "writings" of the other religions. "Go forth and multiply" is probably the simplest to achieve. By force or mind manipulation. They all have them.

This is worth a watch. It's short.

Rise of ISIS, explained - Video Dailymotion

Originally Posted by Black Heart

This is worth a watch. It's short. Rise of ISIS, explained - Video Dailymotion

Your time would be better spent looking beyond the end of your nose.

Originally Posted by ENT

Every dumbfuck war machine calls on sky fairies to help them murder others,

killing in the name of religion has always been accepted as honourable.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by ENT

Every dumbfuck war machine calls on sky fairies to help them murder others,

killing in the name of religion has always been accepted as honourable.

Maybe it be time to consider making religion a crime against nature.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

When was the last time you saw anyone other than a muslim holding a head ?

Cutting a persons throat is one quick way of ending their live. Dropping bombs from air planes, firing missiles at civilians, starving people ... are less efficient and have "collateral damage" implications. Destroying hospitals/schools, poisoning water supplies take a little longer.

I have bad news for you:

Who Is Haji Imam? ISIS Second In Command Reported Killed During US Raid In Syria

Who Is Haji Imam? ISIS Second In Command Reported Killed During US Raid In Syria

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

"What's really hurting me, the name Islam is involved, and Muslim is involved and causing trouble and starting hate and violence. ... Islam is not a killer religion. ... Islam means peace, I couldn't just sit home and watch people label Muslims as the reason for this problem."

I wonder who wrote this?

I think some ignorant lying western politician or bureaucrat.


Muslim clerics and imams have repeatedly stated that islam is not a religion of peace.

CERTAIN ones have.

But you don't fucking know any, do you?

Having spent 30 years in the Middle East, I have met plenty, and they are significantly less stupid and judgmental than yourself, not to mention non-violent.

Living 30 years under dictatorship is what I call significantly very stupid !

Loosing 30 years of your life must be hard to bear.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

consider making religion a crime against nature.

Think( won't say know) religion separates man from nature.
We have pretty much lost our relationship with it.
It is after all our Maker.
and it is fookin amazin.
nothing more beautiful.

Yes org. rel. destroys our relationship with Nature.

Yes i know some are doing their best to rectify damage already done
but it does go a lot lot deeper. our relationship to Nature that is.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

consider making religion a crime against nature.

Think( won't say know) religion separates man from nature.
We have pretty much lost our relationship with it.
It is after all our Maker.
and it is fookin amazin.
nothing more beautiful.

Yes org. rel. destroys our relationship with Nature.

Yes i know some are doing their best to rectify damage already done
but it does go a lot lot deeper. our relationship to Nature that is.

Remove all your clothes, go live in a forest, take no tools, don't come back. Tell us how much you love nature after a few months of that.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Living 30 years under dictatorship is what I call significantly very stupid !

23 years is less stupid, Oh German one? Remind us again of the heroic efforts of your people to overthrow one of the most murderously insane regimes in human history. Feel free to respond in Russian if your native language doesn't seem to have the appropriate words.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

consider making religion a crime against nature.

Think( won't say know) religion separates man from nature.
We have pretty much lost our relationship with it.
It is after all our Maker.
and it is fookin amazin.
nothing more beautiful.

Yes org. rel. destroys our relationship with Nature.

Yes i know some are doing their best to rectify damage already done
but it does go a lot lot deeper. our relationship to Nature that is.

Remove all your clothes, go live in a forest, take no tools, don't come back. Tell us how much you love nature after a few months of that.

What's that got to do with rejecting organized religion, as Billy suggested?

Are you a WASP?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by ENT

Every dumbfuck war machine calls on sky fairies to help them murder others,

killing in the name of religion has always been accepted as honourable.

Maybe it be time to consider making religion a crime against nature.

Probably, as organized religion denies nature.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by ENT

Rubbish. The only thing that motivates Islamic terrorism is their desire for world domination.

a)If you believe that a certain group of people can organise the types of attacks by themselves funded/planned/supplied/managed/executed from a desert tent village then continue to try and attach a label.

b)If you attach a label, in this case, a certain religion, take a look at the "writings" of the other religions. "Go forth and multiply" is probably the simplest to achieve. By force or mind manipulation. They all have them.

a) Belief doesn't come into it.
Saudi Arabia organizes and finances Islamic jihad, from palaces in the desert, not from scrappy little tents and caves via cell phone and a lap-top.

b)
Islam is the only religion in practice whose aim is world domination through either conversion (submit or die) or warfare.

It's a religion of submission.

(Islam/Muslim=to submit.)

Dunno where or when the epithet 'religion of peace' came from,...musta been a later day PC handwringer/bobo or Muslim invention.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

When women and children are laying in the streets coughing up blood because of a chemical bomb then "the times will be changing".

Not sure if the west has used chemical weapons in muslim countries yet. Russia, possibly?

Well, depends on whether you class depleted uranium and white phosphorous as chemical weapons I suppose.

Plenty of evidence can be obtained via a quick google search.

Originally Posted by khmen

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

When women and children are laying in the streets coughing up blood because of a chemical bomb then "the times will be changing".

Not sure if the west has used chemical weapons in muslim countries yet. Russia, possibly?

Well, depends on whether you class depleted uranium and white phosphorous as chemical weapons I suppose.

Plenty of evidence can be obtained via a quick google search.

With respect to your point, Khmen,
Chemical warfare, regarded as illegal, has been used for almost a century in Eurasia and beyond.

It's still an ongoing concern, without any justification.

This goes to show how rules of war are consistently and repeatedly flouted, cry as one might.

The only aim in the whole deal is financial return, an empiricism throughout history.

Prove me wrong,....if you can.