Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Some of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Some of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).

Sadly what you say is quite true, he's a comedienne just like Camoron .

Originally Posted by DrB0b

the issue is that many people in England feel powerless and betrayed and what we're seeing now in England is a surge in what can only be called English identity - which is not

England has been going around the globe invading and forcing THEIR will on people for hundreds of yrs. For good or evil. All to enrich themselves.
And spread democracy which was alien to many. Religion also ffs.
Which may have been good for some or not. ie the corruption of mind.

Now the boot on the other foot and England doesn't want to play THEIR game.
Even though the bankers , politicians have brought all this upheavel upon us.
Or we can say that we are all responsible for being such greedy muthers.

Tink most in Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales want to remain. England having a problem with CONTROL. The money.

But some here will remember what a ruthless bunch the conservatives can be.

Anyway

As for labour taking back control,,,, in ure dreams.

And capitalism eerrrr.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Tink most in Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales want to remain. England having a problem with CONTROL. The money.

Yup....

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Manchester Labour Politician Graham Stringer has the right Idea EU referendum: 'Why I am voting leave' - Graham Stringer - - Manchester Evening News

The right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?

Every time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaning

Originally Posted by taxexile

browsing through newspaper articles over the past few weeks, listening to radio broadcasts and reading the waffle on this thread just confirms to me that there is nobody, absolutely nobody, who can say with any certainty what will happen should england vote to leave the eu.

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population of england.

it will be decided on the anticipated price of the two most important things to the english, corn flakes and mobile phones.

may god have mercy on us.

Tax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Manchester Labour Politician Graham Stringer has the right Idea EU referendum: 'Why I am voting leave' - Graham Stringer - - Manchester Evening News

The right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?

Every time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaning

He didn't write "Fuck off Piwi" though, did he? He asked you to explain why playing petty party politics is in your opinion 'the right idea'. He then posited that you don't think that, but merely didn't properly read the story you linked to. Something you get caught out on time and time again.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Manchester Labour Politician Graham Stringer has the right Idea EU referendum: 'Why I am voting leave' - Graham Stringer - - Manchester Evening News

The right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?

Every time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaning

Hey, Ent! Your monkey's got loose again!

Village fortune teller says "No BREXIT. First box on ballot always win." As good a prediction as I've heard so far.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by taxexile

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population

True to some extent, but that is democracy at work - and a poorly informed population is a failure of politicians.

Originally Posted by taxexile

.. of england.

and Scotland, and Wales and Northern Ireland?

Who? Let's be honest about this, regardless of the BR in Brexit this is primarily an English issue. It's being pushed by the English and, if it goes through, Britain will exit the EU based primarily on English votes. It's got nothing really to do with the EU, it has to do with the fact that English, the normal English, feel unrepresented and overlooked in their own country.

The Brexit side is a sewer of lies and misrepresentations but that doesn't matter because the issue is not the EU, the issue is that many people in England feel powerless and betrayed and what we're seeing now in England is a surge in what can only be called English identity - which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself.

I think Britain leaving the EU would be a terrible mistake but it's very easy to see why many people want this. English identity has pretty much disappeared over the last 70 years and people are left with no meaningful history, society, or social structures to identify with. Those people who want England to be a country that represents them rather than some "outsider" are vilified as racists and fascists. The vast majority are not, of course, racists and fascists but ignoring and belittling their fears and hopes may very well cause them to turn in that direction.

To me the EU is not the primary cause of this disaffection and alienation, the primary cause is a political system which places no value on the majority of the people of this country. A system which ignores their aspirations, pays no attentions to their hopes and fears, impoverishes them and removes the financial and social supports people formerly relied on.

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more. I know what the response will be. I'm off to the pub.

I would have to agree, I have said time and time again although not on this board the UK government has treated its' own citizens badly. No surprise they take it out on the EU despite the fact that is not the entire reason for their unhappiness. Leaving the EU will be a disaster as the country will be more fragmented than it ever has been.

Having visited family on the council estate I come from, they are voting out, out, out, almost to a man. All fuelled by anger. Doctors appointment takes 7-10 days, hospital appointment 6-10 weeks knee operation 18-36 months. 35+ kids in a classroom and many cannot speak English so holds the whole class back. Daily and hourly rates on building sites dropping through over supply of labour.
It's also pointless trying to explain many of these problems are caused by our own government, they have been ridiculed and insulted by 'remainders' too much. It's become a them and us so reason goes out the window.

I am voting out because the EU is broken, undemocratic and corruptly exploits anywhere it can, part of the reason for mass economic migrants.

^ I dont think anyone denies the UK government is shit, but just because they are shit doesnt mean that stepping out the eu is a bad idea.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Manchester Labour Politician Graham Stringer has the right Idea EU referendum: 'Why I am voting leave' - Graham Stringer - - Manchester Evening News

The right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?

Every time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaning

Oh dear Piwi has lost the plot again! Voting leave will not bring down the government. How would it? Why would it?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Tax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.

That's the problem and I wonder who would staff the hospitals, drive buses, taxis, pick fruit and staff the hotels. The truth is we don't have enough people so what will happen? Very likely being outside the EU and negotiating deals would mean the EU would demand the free movement of labour (think I may have said that before).

^ Don't forget the sky will fall too, and the oceans will boil and the will be a plague of locusts. and the spice girls will get back together.

But in the real world, the uk treasury forecast, and this trying to forecast the worst realistically possible scenario says the uk GDP will grow a few percentage points less than it would in the eu.

and there are advanatges to be outside the eu

the uk can get its seat at the wto again and has the power of veto. we dont even have a meaningful veto in the eu, and no seat at the wto.

All for one and one for all. We're all going down the shitter either way.

Except maybe the 0.5%.

Go with the conservatives and their austerity and we will see once again that their cruelty has no limit. ie the estab. always win.

Cut out all this nationalistic bs.

Situation demands reform though.

Gove and co make me sick. They all make me sick.

BBC, ITV, Channel 4, 5, Sky; what's the point of listening to them anymore.

Originally Posted by longway

^ Don't forget the sky will fall too, and the oceans will boil and the will be a plague of locusts. and the spice girls will get back together.

But in the real world, the uk treasury forecast, and this trying to forecast the worst realistically possible scenario says the uk GDP will grow a few percentage points less than it would in the eu.

and there are advanatges to be outside the eu

the uk can get its seat at the wto again and has the power of veto. we dont even have a meaningful veto in the eu, and no seat at the wto.

Those 'forecast' should be obvious and they didn't come from the treasury but my own realisation. While they may not happen straight away it would help if you looked at the bigger picture instead of one issue where you are quite wrong.

No worries, the UK will vote to remain in the EU and all will be well again. The support shown for the leave campaign has stalled, only die-hard TD trolls are left ...and piwi, but he can't vote.

The UK people are not ones to quit in a crisis. They will soldier on and help the EU from within where help is needed most. Farage will have his head kicked in by his own supporters, which I shall watch on a video loop whilst tucking into weisswurst, tapas and cuisses de grenouille washed down with a pint of old peculiar.

I really will enjoy farage getting punched.....

Originally Posted by Troy

and piwi, but he can't vote.

Not just because he was too lazy to register, it's mostly because he can't spell X.

Well that should get a few more "Leave" votes....

Britain’s most notorious Islamist hate preacher Anjem Choudary is supporting United Kingdom’s membership in the European Union.

The U.K. will vote on whether or not to remain a member of the EU Thursday. In the final days of the campaign the “Leave” and “Remain” campaigns are neck and neck, with turnout expected to be the decisive factor in determining the outcome.

Speaking exclusively to Breitbart London, Choudary offered his reasons for why the U.K. was better off in the EU. “If you want my view on it, I think Britain will be worse off,” said Choudary.

“I think that [leaving the EU] is something that is probably not in our advantage from a Muslim perspective.” Choudary argued the U.K. would be at a security disadvantage in the event of Brexit.

Islamist Preacher Anjem Choudary Will Vote Against Brexit | The Daily Caller

The referendum has shown the politicians up for what they truly are, liars and self serving.

Whatever the result, let's have a unified Great Britain

Berlin: Brexit could trigger new Northern Irish conflict

A vote by Britain to quit the European Union might reignite conflict in Northern Ireland because it would re-erect a border through the country, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Thursday.

"In the case of a 'Brexit', it won't be that the EU is simply a group of 28 countries minus one," Steinmeier told a debate on the future of Europe.

But it could unleash new dangerous dynamics, he suggested, pointing to the case of Northern Ireland.

The minister said that an Irish representative had once told him that the conflict in Northern Ireland was currently quiet "because there are no borders in Ireland."

But if the United Kingdom were to quit the EU, "there will be a border again between Ireland and Northern Ireland. And that could at least have the potential of rekindling a conflict that has seemingly calmed down," he said.

Berlin: Brexit could trigger new Northern Irish conflict - The Local

A rather sweet article http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36593528