Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey that's an added bonus, we can fuck off all the pikeys at last.

And the Irish might get rid of the 600,000 Brit freeloaders living in the republic Me, I'm planning to buy up a bunch of cheap houses when all the English get deported from the Costa del Chav.

Anyway, Irish and British infesting each other's countries isn't an EU thing and won't be affected by any EU changes. As a product of the British educational system you won't be aware of the Law or the history of the United Kingdom so I guess your ignorance can be forgiven this time. Achtung and carrry on.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

As a product of the British educational system you won't be aware of the Law or the history of the United Kingdom

Indeed, the British educational system has other priorities..

this is amazing, not only are the Eu offering visa free travel to Turks and lots of cash but this:

Migrant crisis: EU and Turkey plan one-in, one-out deal

Under the plan discussed in Brussels, all migrants arriving in Greece from Turkey would be returned.
For each Syrian sent back, a Syrian already in Turkey would be resettled in the EU.

However, the deal has not been finalised and talks will continue ahead of an EU meeting on 17-18 March.

won't this just encourage Turkey to let more migrants cross to Greece, knowing it will help them get rid of the million Syrians in turkey ?
They could even ferry the same ones back and forth..

And people in Uk are planning to vote to stay in the EU ?

Plans to ease access to the EU for Turkish citizens will be speeded up, with a view to allowing visa-free travel by June 2016

they must have been told by the EU to ask for that date , just after the referendum, so them swarming in won't affect the vote .
Migrant crisis: EU and Turkey plan one-in, one-out deal - BBC News

^This is what Turkey brings to the EU table, priceless.

Think Turkey has a bigger population than Germany.

Like the old Politburo of the USSR, the power-hungry Eurocrats loathe any dissent from their ruling orthodoxy, any challenge to the entrenched ideology.

That same authoritarian impulse can now be seen in the actions of the increasingly hysterical campaigners who want to keep Britain in the EU’s empire. Not content with peddling ever more lurid scare stories about Brexit, they aggressively seek to marginalise and silence their opponents.

I would think with the crazy proposal involving Turkey it has gotta be a vote to get out and close the borders , most people I know want out now

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Think Turkey has a bigger population than Germany.

Think you are wrong there. Turkey is a much bigger country but population is less than Germany.

just under 78 million in Turkey + refugees and migrants
Germany has about 83, 84 million.
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Historical population[5]
Year Pop. ±%

2007 70,586,256 —
2008 71,517,100 +1.3%
2009 72,561,312 +1.5%
2010 73,722,988 +1.6%
2011 74,724,269 +1.4%
2012 75,627,384 +1.2%
2013 76,667,864 +1.4%
2014 77,695,904 +1.3%
from wiki
turkeys population gone up 10 % in 7 years !

EU referendum: O'Donnell warns over two-year exit feasibility

Britain would be unable to negotiate its exit from the EU within the two years allowed by European Union rules, the former Cabinet Secretary Lord O'Donnell has said.

The prospect of demanding extra time from other EU nations to complete a leave deal was a "bit scary", he said.

Asked how long a negotiation would take, he cited a Cabinet Office paper which said it could be up to a decade.

But Out campaigners say the UK could negotiate its withdrawal at any time.

The UK will decide in a referendum on 23 June whether to remain a member of the European Union or to leave.

Under the process set out in the Lisbon Treaty, a nation has two years to complete a deal once it formally declares that it will withdraw from the EU.

'Very difficult'
Extra time is possible only if all the remaining nations agree.

"Obviously at the end of two years anything we haven't negotiated has to be extended by unanimity of a vote excluding us so that's a bit scary," Lord O'Donnell - who advised three successive prime ministers as cabinet secretary between 2005 and 2011 - told BBC Radio Four's Today.

"I'm in that camp that doesn't think we can do it in two years," he said, adding that negotiating a deal to leave was a "very complex process".

He said: "We have to negotiate our entry to the single market, we have to negotiate our future relationship with the EU and then we have to negotiate our trade treaties with all other countries. So there's a lot to be done."

It could be "very difficult" to achieve positive results with Germany and France facing elections in 2017, he said.

If the UK failed to get a deal within two years, the country would revert to World Trade Organization rules, which would include significant tariffs, he added.

'Smaller than Croydon'
Greenland's decision to withdraw from the European Community, the organisation that preceded the EU, in 1985 offered the only precedent he said.

"Greenland has a slightly smaller population than Croydon and it has one issue, and that's fish," he said.

"So with one issue, small population it took them not two years but three. We have multiple issues. The idea that we can do it all in two years I think is highly unlikely."

EU referendum: O'Donnell warns over two-year exit feasibility - BBC News

More nonsense from the "In" mob.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Like the old Politburo of the USSR, the power-hungry Eurocrats loathe any dissent from their ruling orthodoxy, any challenge to the entrenched ideology.

That same authoritarian impulse can now be seen in the actions of the increasingly hysterical campaigners who want to keep Britain in the EU’s empire. Not content with peddling ever more lurid scare stories about Brexit, they aggressively seek to marginalise and silence their opponents.

I have sent you a PM ,this guy sounds just like you

EU referendum: Brexit could have 'big effect' on football

British football could be radically changed if the UK votes to leave the European Union, according to experts and leading voices in the game.

Some fear so-called Brexit could lead to more than 400 players losing the right to play in the UK, while others say it may give home talent a chance.

The UK will decide if it wants to stay in the EU in a referendum on 23 June.

"Leaving the EU will have a much bigger effect on football than people think," said football agent Rachel Anderson.

"We're talking about half of the Premier League needing work permits.

"The short-term impact would be huge but you could argue it will help in the long term as it could force clubs to concentrate on home-grown talent."



Who is in danger?

Players with an EU passport are currently free to play in the UK. Those without must meet Home Office criteria, the most important being that they are established internationals for leading nations.

Analysis of squads in the first two tiers in England and the Scottish Premiership has revealed a total of 332 players would fail to meet the current standards.

More than 100 Premier League players would be affected with Aston Villa, Newcastle United and Watford facing losing 11 players from their squads, while Championship side Charlton Athletic would need to find 13 replacements.

In fact, only 23 of the 180 non-British EU players currently playing in the Championship would get work permits - and most of those are former internationals from Ireland or Commonwealth nations with British passports.

Remarkably, none of the 53 non-British EU players in the Scottish Premiership would qualify for a permit on the basis of their international career alone.

That is the same situation for 63 non-British EU players in League One and 46 in League Two.

The list of players potentially at risk of losing the right to play in Britain includes two of the undoubted stars of the Premier League season: Leicester City's N'Golo Kante and West Ham's Dimitri Payet, although both played and scored for France this week.

West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady, the face of the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, has already written to club bosses throughout the UK warning them a vote to leave would have "devastating consequences".

But supporters of the various Leave campaigns have dismissed this as scaremongering, with Brian Monteith of Leave.eu telling the BBC a post-Brexit UK would be able to lower freedom-of-movement restrictions on the rest of the world which would "broaden the talent pool, not reduce it".

Premier League boss Richard Scudamore made it clear in a speech to the Institute of Directors last year that his personal view was that Britain should stay in the EU, the world's largest trading bloc.

However, the Premier League's public position is that EU membership is a matter for voters and it always works with "the government of the day".

What are the rules?

A player from a top-10 nation only has to have played in 30% of their games in the two years prior to the date of application to be granted a work permit.

A player from a nation ranked 11-20 must have played in 45% of international games.

That percentage rises to 60% for the next 10 countries, then 75% for nations ranked 31-50.

A vote to leave the EU would mean that players from the 27 countries still in the union would need to meet these criteria.

EU referendum: Brexit could have 'big effect' on football - BBC Sport

^ the in campaign dig up such bullshit stories, now it's football, the national game is going to disappear if we leave.
1970's football was the best years and it was without European workers playing , so we have lived and thrived before without them.

Mr Cameron has morphed into a British ' Erdogan ' . He has become a Dictator who is clearly anti-British and ANTI the best interests of this Country. I dont buy for one minute that No.10 had no involvement in Mr Longworth,s suspension from the BCC. Their denial was expected but most definitely not accepted. Cameron will clearly do ANYTHING to keep us shackled to the corrupt , unelected and undemocratic EU . Think about that for a second: WHAT leader of this great Country would want to relinquish the Sovereignty of the nation they serve and leave it,s Borders open to abuse?? Mr Cameron is a traitor and those who wish to hand our Country over to Brussels by voting to Remain are also traitors! We need a British Bulldog to lead our Country not a French Poodle or German Dachshund . Cameron is more of a pocket ' schit...zu ' yapping from Merkel,s handbag.... Vote to LEAVE.

I don't think brexit will help the steel industry anymore than wearing a hat would keep your hands warm. Mr Farage is talking out of his arse...as usual.

Supply and demand...

Originally Posted by Troy

I don't think brexit will help the steel industry anymore than wearing a hat would keep your hands warm. Mr Farage is talking out of his arse...as usual.

Supply and demand...

All Farage is doing is doing what Politician 's do best , irrespective of their political viewpoint , and that is to take advantage of a situation to further their own political ambitions .

Am I going senile or did one of my, and Piwanoi's, replies get deleted?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Am I going senile or did one of my, and Piwanoi's, replies get deleted?

I'm going senile. All sorted.

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I read that the English royal family are against Brexit. Small wonder, as they as large farmers would lose EU subsidies for farmers, as the bigger the farm, the more cash received.

It appears that the 'haves' want to stay in Brexit, while the 'have nots' want out.


Royal farms get £1m from taxpayers.....*(2005 figure, today's handout to the Royal farms are even higher)

The Queen and Prince Charles received a total of more than £1m in EU farm subsidies in the past two years, it was revealed yesterday.
The figure emerged as the government for the first time published the amount of subsidy each farmer in Britain receives, after a request from the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

It showed that major landowners receive the largest subsidies from the taxpayer. Seventeen farmers and agricultural enterprises received more than £1m each last year in help from the taxpayer.

The scale of taxpayers' subsidies has reopened the arguments on why wealthy land-owners and multinationals should receive such generous help.... - that taxpayers' money is going to people who don't really need it. It is time this was changed."

Royal farms get £1m from taxpayers | UK news | The Guardian

Surely those who complain about British money sent to the EU will welcome the return of some of those millions to British farmers.