Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Surely those who complain about British money sent to the EU will welcome the return of some of those millions to British farmers.

I would have thought that there is a wee bit of difference between the Royals and our horny handed sons of the soil who are producing the food that feeds us .

I'd imagine the Royals don't actually farm but leave it in the hands of managers. Due to the system they probably are given those subsidies as a matter of course.

Yep you're right Piwanoi. Always someone wanting to knock the Royals.

Compare those returns from EU to the farmers and other manily mega food firms with the amount paid out to EU by the taxpayer,...nearly 3 times more than UK receives.

6.30829 billion Euros received from EU 2013.

17.06837 billion Euros paid to EU 2013

The EU money largely benefits countries such as Belgium (no surprise), Luxembourg (really?...no big surprise!), Spain, Portugal, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Greece, the east European states mainly.

Time to get out and use the UK taxpayers' money to support Britain, instead of fat-cat Belgium and Luxembourg and their fostered tribe of states with failed economies.

Iceland, Norway, Switzerland are doing fine thanks to independence from EU bullying.

Who knows, we might be able to make our own laws work again without bowing to Brussels.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I'd imagine the Royals don't actually farm but leave it in the hands of managers. Due to the system they probably are given those subsidies as a matter of course.

Yep you're right Piwanoi. Always someone wanting to knock the Royals.

Hah!

It's high time the English royals were left to feed themselves instead of bludging off the tax-payer, theyr'e loaded!

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Neverna

Surely those who complain about British money sent to the EU will welcome the return of some of those millions to British farmers.

I would have thought that there is a wee bit of difference between the Royals and our horny handed sons of the soil who are producing the food that feeds us .

The difference in sums returned to farmers has nothing to do with getting more simply because one is royal. It depends on the size of the farm - how much land is owned or cultivated.

According to one source:

Landowners get between £60 & £90 per acre, with the only provision to maintain the land appropriately which currently amounts to occasional maintenance. Whereas the bulk of subsidies have always gone to those who own the most land, the reforms have intensified this situation.

So large landowners will likely get more than small landowners.

THE ROYAL FARMS WINDSOR

THE ROYAL FARMS WINDSOR is a recipient of farm subsidies in Windsor, United Kingdom.

Since 1999 THE ROYAL FARMS WINDSOR has received €1,843,253 in payments from the European Union .

Details of payments

Year Scheme Total
2013 Direct payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €266,787
2013 European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development €189,366
2012 Direct payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €334,117
2012 European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development €91,270
2011 Direct payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €299,642
2011 European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development €179,476
2010 Direct payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €286,740
2010 European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development €194,530
2010 Other payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €1,326
Total: €1,843,253

THE ROYAL FARMS WINDSOR | United Kingdom | FarmSubsidy.org

Double post deleted.

Farm subsidies. The main subsidy, the single farm payment, is doled out by the hectare. The more land you own or rent, the more money you receive.

Since 1999, more progressive European nations have been trying to limit the amount of public money a farmer can capture under the common agricultural policy. It looked as if, this year, they might at last succeed. But throughout the negotiations that ended last week, two governments in particular resisted: those resolute champions of the free market, Germany and the UK. Thanks to their lobbying, any decision has yet again been deferred.

The minister responsible for cutting income support for the poor, Iain Duncan Smith, lives on an estate owned by his wife's family. During the last 10 years it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers. How much more obvious do these double standards have to be before we begin to notice?
Farming subsidies: this is the most blatant transfer of cash to the rich | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian

Enoch was right
even the Germans think so !Enoch Powells

frühe Warnung vor der Massenmigration

Enoch Powell und die frühe Warnung vor Massenmigration - DIE WELT


Enoch hated the EU,
here from the last vote 1975 european referendum.
So did half the labour party, in those days they were more of the working mans party, today they are no different to the Torries, even Jeremy Corbyn wants to stay in EU..






4th June 1975: British politicians Barbara Castle (left), Enoch Powell (second left) and Michael Foot

Originally Posted by blue

4th June 1975: British politicians Barbara Castle (left), Enoch Powell (second left) and Michael Foot

Nah, Michael Foot is last on the right on the picture.

^ another senescence moment?

Nationalists and Socialists united....who'd have thought it??

Jeremy Corbyn wants us to stay in the EU because just like all of labours leaders, they secretly despise the working man.

IMF Warns Of 'Severe' Damage Of UK Leaving EU
The IMF cuts its UK growth forecast and says leaving the EU could "weigh heavily on confidence and investment".

Loosely translated:

The cheese eating surrender monkeys won't have anyone to scrounge off.



Fuck off Lagarde.

IMF Warns Of 'Severe' Damage Of UK Leaving EU

Originally Posted by wasabi

Jeremy Corbyn wants us to stay in the EU because just like all of labours leaders, they secretly despise the working man.

Indeed, he's also a hypocrite!

Someone's put the thumbscrews on him because millions of Labour voters are chomping at the bit to vote out..

EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn warns of workers' rights 'bonfire' if UK leaves - BBC News

Workers rights! That's a lame excuse, look at the state of workers rights now under EU control.

Zero hours contracts, more people self employed on less than the minimum wage etc etc..

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by wasabi

Jeremy Corbyn wants us to stay in the EU because just like all of labours leaders, they secretly despise the working man.

Indeed, he's also a hypocrite!

Someone's put the thumbscrews on him because millions of Labour voters are chomping at the bit to vote out..

EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn warns of workers' rights 'bonfire' if UK leaves - BBC News

Workers rights! That's a lame excuse, look at the state of workers rights now under EU control.

Zero hours contracts, more people self employed on less than the minimum wage etc etc..

Oh boy, are you in for a shock. That's nothing to do with the EU and it's going to get a lot worse if Britain no longer has to abide by EU workers rights regulations. You'd better hope the tories don't bring in a stupidity and ignorance tax or you're going to be bankrupt fast!

Get out quick. 51 stars would look nice on the Stars n Stripes.

Oh they are playing good cop / bad cop now.

Good being the EU giving us a cup of tea after being headbutted by the Uk cop, but
you'll still end up confessing to imaginary crimes and doing life .

its come to something if we cannot face down those toffs ourselves
.

Originally Posted by blue

Oh they are playing good cop / bad cop now.

Good being the EU giving us a cup of tea after being headbutted by the Uk cop, but
you'll still end up confessing to imaginary crimes and doing life .

its come to something if we cannot face down those toffs ourselves
.

You've had your chance over and over again. The British working classes no longer have any balls at all, they're bought and sold by the bosses and are too busy turning on each other to ever face down the ruling classes. Stockholm syndrome in action.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The British working classes no longer have any balls at all

I don't think they ever had. The Unions used them for years with false hopes/promises to fulfill their political agenda.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by blue

....its come to something if we cannot face down those toffs ourselves

You've had your chance over and over again. The British working classes no longer have any balls at all, they're bought and sold by the bosses and are too busy turning on each other to ever face down the ruling classes. Stockholm syndrome in action.

You're describing Ireland there, where in 2007, there were 600,000 trade union members, half of whom were in the public sector.

Trades unionists membership Ireland.
1980...62% of the workforce, all Ireland.
1980...55.3%...the Republic
2007...31%...all Ireland

Ireland's trade unions failed to prevent pay cuts of between 5% and 8% in the public service.
FÁS training and employment became a disgraceful waste of public and EU funds due to massive directors fees, grafts and union 'boys'-club' 'junkets' , eroding most public support for Ireland's much vaunted unions and their social contract.

On 13/06/2015, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, Amnesty International, and the Rainbow Project organized mass rally supporting same-sex marriage in Belfast, Northern Ireland. 20,000 people turned up.

So much for Irish unionism and the power of the working class in Ireland, eh DrBO0b.

A total fail.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Workers rights! That's a lame excuse, look at the state of workers rights now under EU control. Zero hours contracts, more people self employed on less than the minimum wage etc etc..

The UK opted out of the EU employment rules, including the Social Chapter and Working Hours Directives...

...Can't blame the EU for the loss of worker's rights; that lies on the shoulders of previous (Labour and Conservative) Governments.

Brexit could lead to loss of 100,000 financial services jobs, report warns

PwC report estimates 70,000-100,000 fewer jobs in 2020 compared with estimated number if Britain stays in EU

Up to 100,000 financial services jobs could be lost if Britain votes to leave the European Union, according to a report compiled for a lobbying group that will stir debate about the short-term impact of Brexit.

The report for TheCityUK by PricewaterhouseCoopers follows a warning from the accountancy firm in March that a British exit from the EU would cause a serious shock to the UK economy that could lead to 950,000 job losses.

The latest report by PwC focuses on the financial services sector and estimates there would be between 70,000 and 100,000 fewer jobs in 2020 as the sector declines by up to 9.5%, compared with their estimate of the number of jobs if Britain remained in the EU.

Chris Cummings, chief executive of TheCityUK, said: “Major firms from across the world come to London to access Europe’s single market, bringing with them jobs and investment. While Brexit may not be ruinous for the UK economy, it does risk damaging the UK-based financial services sector, particularly over the short term, delaying investment decisions and reducing activity. It also threatens the overall competitiveness of the UK as a place to do business.”

In the longer term, jobs would return to the City, according to PwC, once the initial shock starts to subside. By 2030, the extent of the jobs gap would fall to 30,000 while the loss in value to the economy would be an estimated £5bn.

Former Bank of England policymaker Andrew Sentance said the UK’s trading relationships with the EU and the rest of the world were at risk. “The UK could recover some of the loss by striking new trade agreements with our EU partners and other countries, though this is not guaranteed and would take some years to negotiate. In all the scenarios we have examined, the financial services industries will be less successful for at least a decade if the UK leaves the EU,” Sentance said.

But the Vote Leave campaign accused TheCityUK of burying the report’s prediction that financial services would still grow under a Brexit scenario – though not as quickly as if Britain remained in the EU. The report said after a vote to leave the EU the financial sector’s contribution to the economy would be 35%-38% larger by 2020 compared with growth of 41% if the UK stays in the EU.

A spokesman for Vote Leave said: “This is typical of the pro-EU campaign, who are trying to hide the fact that their own report admits that there will be more financial services jobs after we vote leave. This is a torpedo to the remain campaign’s constant scaremongering. The same establishment who said we would lose jobs if we didn’t join the euro are trying to create a misleading report over the referendum.”

PwC said the financial sector was more vulnerable to leaving the EU than the rest of the UK economy because Britain’s place as a financial hub relies partly on access to European markets. The financial sector is also closely linked to the health of the economy and responds sharply to slowing economic growth, it said.

Lucy Thomas, deputy director of the Stronger In campaign, said: “The financial services sector is a major UK employer with hundreds of thousands of jobs across the country in cities like Leeds, Birmingham, London and Edinburgh. A warning like this shows just how many jobs could be lost if we leave Europe and underlines the real risks to our economy and our prosperity of leaving Europe.

Brexit could lead to loss of 100,000 financial services jobs, report warns | Politics | The Guardian