Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Cameron wearing a cardigan ... brings to mind some useless information:

The cardigan is named after the 7th Earl of Cardigan who led the Charge of the Light Brigade.

The way the 'Remain' group have campaigned reminds me of the way a simple miscommunication led the Light Brigade to attack the wrong target and get slaughtered. The attempts to scare the population into voting to remain is backfiring and, quite simply, completely unnecessary.

In Boris's own words:
"We want, in an ideal world, to stay in a reformed European Union but I think the price of getting out is lower than it’s ever been. It’s better for us to stay in, but to stay in a reformed EU. That’s where I am.”

Pulling out of the EU is not only a defeatist attitude that opens the door to Nationalism (the very enemy of peace that the EU has strived to create within Europe), it fails to address the real problem of refugee and economic migration into Europe.

The Press and the Leave Campaign conveniently package Refugees, EU National migrants and non-EU National migrants into one group ... migrants and condemn the EU laws for their influx into the UK.

How many Syrian refugees has the UK actually taken in? The Government is planning to settle around 20,000 by the end of 2020...doesn't that make you feel just a little sick? Say what you like about immigration numbers but only 20,000 Refugees over 5 years?

The EU was not responsible for the relaxation of immigration laws, during the Blair Government, that saw an influx of East Europeans into the UK. The fact that the UK did this unilaterally was the main reason for the large number of Polish and other migrants. Inside or outside the EU, if UK companies require cheap labour, they will do this again, happily taking immigrants from Turkey or anywhere else. It is this greed that you have been feeding by allowing the UK to not sign up to the EU Social Chapter that protects workers and working hours.

As for the NHS, with a £317 million/day budget; nice idea but the model is outdated and doesn't fulfil today's needs. It is another UK past-its-time that no-one wants to admit requires fundamental changes. I would love to see it remodelled to have a combination of employer/employee shared and private funding schemes with non-citizens obtaining treatment through government insurance.

Cameron is leading the Charge of the Light Brigade down the wrong valley and will meet his death against the cannons of Boris...but Brexit is not the way forward for the UK.

Originally Posted by Troy

Cameron is leading the Charge of the Light Brigade down the wrong valley and will meet his death against the cannons of Boris.

Nicely put! In reality i can not see it happening although you never know.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

If England leaves you will end up getting 36 baht for your £1

Based on whose calculations?

Britain backs Brexit - and it could make trips to Europe MUCH more expensive

UBS said it forecast a 'sharp correction' to 'parity' after a Brexit vote
But if Britain votes to stay In, the pound would be expected to strengthen
The Swiss bank warned there was a 40% chance Britain would quit the EU

The cost of going to Europe on holiday could soar after a Brexit vote, a top bank warned today.
UBS forecast a 'sharp correction' in the currency markets if Britain votes to leave the EU - a move which could make the pound worth about the same as the euro.
Such an adjustment could make travelling in the eurozone more expensive within hours of the result being declared as markets will open as normal.

A weaker pound in Europe would start making things more expensive for British travellers quickly.
It means both that the pound in travellers' pockets buys less while in the eurozone and damages the overall conversion rate when buying holidays outright.
UBS analyst John Wraith said the pound was already drifting toward the value of the euro because of lingering uncertaintyy - pointing out one euro is currently worth about 78p and forecasting it will hit about 84p by the referendum date.
And Mr Wraith warned today: 'We estimate the exchange rate level that would accommodate a sharp correction in the UK's current account deficit and find that EUR/GBP could go to parity.'
The bank estimates there is about a 60 per cent chance Britain will vote to stay in the EU, after studying opinion polls.
If this happened, Mr Wraith said he would expect the pound and euro to drift back to the level where it was for much of last year

Mr Wraith said: 'We think that EUR/GBP should revert to the 0.73 level, near which it spent most of last year.
'In our view, the largest part of the weakness in sterling since November can be attributed to increased concern over the possibility of exit from the EU.'
James McGrory, chief campaign spokesman, said: 'Yet again independent experts have found that leaving Europe would hit Brits where it hurts – in the pocket, with higher prices and the pound taking a pounding.
'Britain's EU membership means Brits pay less doing their shopping and booking their holiday abroad.
'While the Leave campaigns refuse to say what Out would look like, the only consequences we can bank on are increased financial risk and insecurity. Leaving is a risk we simply can't afford to take.'

^ More to do with the weakening of the Euro due to Greece and Europe being cheap for holidays over the last year or so...Check the 10 year history and you'll see what I mean.

Another wrong way to campaign to remain. There are economic problems on the horizon and a very difficult migrant problem to solve. It is a time when Europe needs to come together and solve the issues rather than breaking up and ignoring them.

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

UBS said it forecast

who?
''UBS AG is a Swiss global financial services company....''

is it an ironic post ?
why don't they use their energy to get Switzerland to join the EU?
if outside is good enough for them then why not uk too

^

Originally Posted by Troy

^ More to do with the weakening of the Euro due to Greece and Europe being cheap for holidays over the last year or so...Check the 10 year history and you'll see what I mean.

Another wrong way to campaign to remain. There are economic problems on the horizon and a very difficult migrant problem to solve. It is a time when Europe needs to come together and solve the issues rather than breaking up and ignoring them.

Send the invaders back to muslim countries where they belong. Sadly too many weak spineless muppets.

The "In" campaign must have some cash behind them!

I've had four separate leaflets posted to us now, no one knocking on doors or campaigning properly.

Check out this couple posted today..

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

UBS said it forecast

who?
''UBS AG is a Swiss global financial services company....''

is it an ironic post ?
why don't they use their energy to get Switzerland to join the EU?
if outside is good enough for them then why not uk too

Good point.

Originally Posted by Troy

As for the NHS, with a £317 million/day budget; nice idea but the model is outdated and doesn't fulfil today's needs. It is another UK past-its-time that no-one wants to admit requires fundamental changes. I would love to see it remodelled to have a combination of employer/employee shared and private funding schemes with non-citizens obtaining treatment through government insurance.

Heartily disagree. As soon as you put profit, which is where the nearly half of the 300 million a day budget now disappear to since most of it is privatized now already, into the equation, then services worsen, and prices increase.

Anyone who is still buying the thatcher argument of privatization being good is living in a dream world. Every industry that has been privatized is vastly over priced now, failing to deliver, and in some cases falling apart as well.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The "In" campaign must have some cash behind them!

I've had four separate leaflets posted to us now, no one knocking on doors or campaigning properly.

Check out this couple posted today..

Aren't they being printed in Germany though? Seem to recall that. They are capped at 10 million apparently so no wonder 14 conservative MPs are being investigated now for election fraud. They can't help themselves.

No toffies box!

Latest Brexit Poll Tracker - Breitbart

Brexit poll tracker.

Latest shows remain 18% ahead!

However there is some glimmer of hope, some polls show a massive lead for the remain group, others show it much much closer and even have the leave group leading.

Obviously 2 very different methodologies; which one will prove more accurate?

Originally Posted by longway

which one will prove more accurate?

The one on 24 June.

The look of a Tory Brexit campaigner.....bugger off and join UKIP

Originally Posted by Troy

The look of a Tory Brexit campaigner.....bugger off and join UKIP

Also, he's naked from the waist down.

No theres one little sniffling [at][at][at][at] I wouldn`t tire of hitting.

It seems to me the over 50's want out and it's them that make the small effort to vote.

Originally Posted by Bower

It seems to me the over 50's want out and it's them that make the small effort to vote.

Not just the over 50's, plenty in their 40's also.

Got our voting card through the post today, role on British Independence day

Looks like the big leads in polls for the Remain crowd are as phony as their arguments.

REVEALED: How Bad Polling Is Used To Convince People Brexit Support Is Tanking

I hope this manipulation will backfire as people who want out will be determined to vote and the ones who dont want to leave, will think its in the bag and not bother.

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It was the British press which helped lying, cheating, conniving politicians trick the electorate into accepting membership of the EEC.

How The British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU

Try this interactive poll on the Economist website...

Britain?s EU referendum: The Economist?s ?Brexit? poll-tracker | The Economist

Poor, old and UKIP supporters are abundant on TD it would seem...