Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That and Merkel being on the verge of handing the entire Turkish population visa free entry to the EU.

not on the verge , she has handed it to them already,did so in March , Turkey just have to wait until one week after our referendum vote until it starts.

Cant have pictures of the borders heaving, and terrorists with bought Turkish passports , skewing the vote.
I'm sure there are many nice people in Turkey but we are guaranteed to get the scum.

How long before the EU make Britain take our border controls down ?
its bound to happen.

Originally Posted by longway

^ not the whole truth though, so its a threat.

Odd definition of a threat you have there. He's merely saying what the rest of the world already knows. Britain has no power outside the EU and if it leaves nobody has any reason to arrange favorable trade with Britain. Seriously, I think a large number of people here are in the grip of a collective hallucination. It's a really odd thing to watch a nation attempt to commit economic suicide. Still, I think there are still enough sane people here to prevent that.

So what trade tariffs does the EU impose on the USA ?
if it doesn't whats the point of it as a trading block .
Why wouldn't America, who supposedly champion free trade not prefer to trade with UK tariff free ,
unless is a load of bollocks...

Originally Posted by blue

Why wouldn't America, who supposedly champion free trade not prefer to trade with UK tariff free ,
unless is a load of bollocks...

From last year.

US warns Britain: If you leave EU you face barriers to trading with America

Trade representative Michael Froman says UK would face same tariffs and barriers as China, Brazil or India in the event of Brexit.

Published: 23:55 GMT+00:00 Wed 28 October 2015
The United States is not keen on pursuing a separate free trade deal with Britain if it leaves the European Union, the US trade representative, Michael Froman, said – the first public comments from a senior US official on the matter.

Voters are due to decide by the end of 2017 whether the UK should remain in the EU, and opinion polls show rising support for leaving the bloc.

Cameron tells anti-EU campaigners: 'Norway option' won't work for Britain
Froman’s comments on Wednesday undermine a key economic argument deployed by proponents of exit, who say Britain would prosper on its own and be able to secure bilateral free trade agreements (FTAs) with trading partners.

The US is Britain’s biggest export market after the EU, buying more than $54bn (£35bn) in goods from the UK in 2014.

“I think it’s absolutely clear that Britain has a greater voice at the trade table being part of the EU, being part of a larger economic entity,” Froman told Reuters, adding that EU membership gives Britain more leverage in negotiations.

“We’re not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We’re building platforms … that other countries can join over time.”

If Britain left the EU, Froman said, it would face the same tariffs and trade barriers as other countries outside the US free trade network.


“We have no FTA with the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs – and other trade-related measures – as China, or Brazil or India,” he said.

Washington has just sealed a trade deal with 11 other Pacific nations and wants to wrap up negotiations with the EU on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) by the end of next year.

The US is Britain’s second-largest export market for vehicles outside the EU.

If Britain is not part of the EU and therefore not part of TTIP, British cars exported to the US, such as those made by Jaguar Land Rover, would face a 2.5% tariff and could be at a disadvantage to German and Italian-made competitors.

British exports of fuel and chocolate could also be at a disadvantage if TTIP abolishes tariffs on those products

US warns Britain: If you leave EU you face barriers to trading with America | Politics | The Guardian

Originally Posted by OhOh

Should Ameristani presidents only be elected for 2 years and get rid of this lame duck period?

Technically this isn't yet the lame duck period despite how much the chatteratti would have it so.

Lame duck is after the election and up until the new POTUS is sworn in.

It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

Hilary's just weighed in behind Cameron.
If you weren't sure before, you should be now. Vote leave. The game is rigged anyway, but leaving now might give the UK a longer stay of execution.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

Have you registered to vote in this referendum?

Britain is the 6th largest economy in the world and no one is going to want to trade with us if we leave the EU.

Project fear certainly convincing the retards to vote remain.

Britain is the most intelligent and productive country on the planet. We need support from no one.

Originally Posted by Dapper

Britain is the most intelligent and productive country on the planet. We need support from no one.

Well almost; you'd still need your meds.

Originally Posted by longway

The EU is not even a stable entity and has brought instability and strife into europe on and unprecedented scale since the war and even compared to the issues in eastern europe. The eu we see today may not even be around in 5-10 years.

Ah, I see the problem here. You're an ignorant idiot.

Amazing that American politicians can dictate to us like this and the labour party are mice quiet? It's being handed to them on a plate - they could rip the conservatives a new one but they have to remain quiet...
proof if needed they are all in the same trough together.


look at how Dr Bob, whom I assume for a lark is defending the Stay In mob, is struggling big time .



Shame more of the rich don't think like this:

When this referendum began, what seems an eternity ago, I was unsure how I would vote. Membership of the EU on a day-to-day basis is pretty much all gain for me, because I am an affluent professional who benefits from the supply of inexpensive domestic help, willing tradesmen and convenient travel that the EU provides. Unlike those whose wages are being undercut by cheap imported labour, or who cannot afford to buy their own homes because of the pressure on housing from unlimited immigration, I have lost nothing.



But I believe in democratic legitimacy, which means paying attention to people who do not have my advantages. So should I go for self-interest, or for political principle? Watching this campaign, with its unscrupulous attempts to bully and terrorise a brave and conscientious electorate, has made up my mind. I shall be voting for Leave.

Why should we take advice from a president who has surrendered the world to chaos?

Originally Posted by blue

Amazing that American politicians can dictate to us like this

No dictating done. A stated opinion is all. Lobbying to convince folks to stay in the EU.
Same done by Brit PMs for years. Churchill had many trips to the US to lobby for getting the US into WW2. Recently Cameron lobbyed US congress to kill a bill which would impose greater sanctions on Iran.

Ignore Obama and vote to exit. Up to you Brits. He doesn't get to vote.

Originally Posted by Dapper

Britain is the most intelligent and productive country on the planet. We need support from no one.

With you, ent and psudo as examples.... how could anyone doubt it?

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by blue

Amazing that American politicians can dictate to us like this

No dictating done. A stated opinion is all. Lobbying to convince folks to stay in the EU.
Same done by Brit PMs for years. Churchill had many trips to the US to lobby for getting the US into WW2. Recently Cameron lobbyed US congress to kill a bill which would impose greater sanctions on Iran.

Ignore Obama and vote to exit. Up to you Brits. He doesn't get to vote.

Obama:
‘the end of the queue’ and ‘ten years to negotiate’

Sanctions on Iran ? he could sort that out in a few weeks but for supposed good friend Britain a trade deal will take 10 years ...

I'm not anti American , i had many nice holidays there, and only stopped going when they started fingerprinting tourists and treating them like shit at immigration.
In fact i feel sorry for Americans to have that embarrassment as president.

'IT IS WEIRD THAT THE US SHOULD BE TELLING THE UK TO DO SOMETHING THEY WOULD NOT DREAM OF DOING THEMSELVES': BOJO'S BROADSIDE

Barack Obama is entitled to his view and he is an honoured guest, but it is ridiculous to warn that the UK will be at the back of the queue for a free trade deal.
The UK has never been able to do a free trade deal with the US in the last 43 years – because we are in the EU!
Any negotiations are entirely in the hands of the European Commission and only 3.6 per cent of commission officials actually come from this country.
Negotiations are held up by absurd problems like the French restrictions on Hollywood movies or Greek hostility to American feta cheese.
No one in the last 48 hours has come close to answering my point – it is very weird that the US should be telling the UK to do something they would not dream of doing themselves in a million years.
We can be better allies of America if we recapture control of our democracy and our borders and £350 million a week, much of which could be spent on this country's real priorities, such as health. It's time to take back control, folks.
The crucial thing that Churchill stood for, and that America stands for today, is representative democracy. The problem with the EU is that nobody knows who is in charge and nobody knows who is making these decisions.

boris johnson


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-threats.html

Anyone watched this thats been on the TV over the last couple of weeks?

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

Originally Posted by longway

we can be far more flexible within our negotiations and looks for deals of our own, nor do many countries do that badly negotiating on their own. Nor does it mean we will be excluded entirely from the EU.

The UK maybe could be "flexible", unfortunately the countries or blocs the UK will need to strike a deal with may not be.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Britain is the 6th largest economy in the world and no one is going to want to trade with us if we leave the EU.

https://www.rt.com/uk/340755-brexit-obama-trade-deal/


Sundays statement:

"A US trade deal with Britain could take up to 10 years if it were to leave the European Union, President Barack Obama has warned in an interview with the BBC. In the event of a Brexit, the UK would lose much of the influence it has as America’s closest EU ally, he said.


"It could be five years from now, 10 years from now before we were able to actually get something done,” Obama told the BBC on Sunday, at the end of a three-day visit to the UK, likely to be his last as US president."


Friday's statement:

"The UK referendum on whether the country should stay or go will take place on June 23. The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal it threatens remains on the president’s agenda before his term runs out. Obama wants to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers between the EU and the US.Britain would move “to the back of the queue” on deals if it left, Obama said on Friday"

Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

Trade deals!Boots on the ground! Trade deals!Boots on the ground!

What a load of scaremongering from someone who has probably never even closed a deal or door.

If a tiny populus country like Australia can organise a "Trade Deal" in 10 months then a powerhouse such as the U.K can do it in much less time.

The left are very silent on Obamas lies considering they are usually first to try and rip him a new hole.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

It's no big deal. If the US want to charge tariffs on our goods and services, we'll simply apply the same to theirs.

At the moment we are a net importer in trade with the seppos.

The whole trade thing is a red herring. No-one is going to accept losing business and money because of petty politics. Americans and Germans want to sell their goods in the UK, we are, after all, Germany's largest export market in Europe. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by putting obstacles in the way of ongoing trade - they can't afford to for a start. It's ridiculous to think that the UK will suddenly be left isolated as Johnny no-friends based on Brexit. Still, Obamas intervention has reinforced the view that the US only cares about the US and all this tosh about the special relationship is just that.