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    Can you argue with Anarchism?

    Anarchism... stands for liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion; the liberation of the human body from the dominion of property; liberation from shackles and restraint of government. It stands for social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
    Let the fur/feathers fly!


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    All the BS aside, a truer fashion [as in: living one's protest] of Anarchism, and all it's cousin forms, hasn't been practiced for decades.

    Morphed into the homogeny of political/social philosophies and identities.

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    ^ please attempt to be coherent.

    Back on topic


    WHAT IT REALLY STANDS FOR

    ANARCHY.

    Ever reviled, accursed, ne'er understood,
    Thou art the grisly terror of our age.
    "Wreck of all order," cry the multitude,
    "Art thou, and war and murder's endless rage."
    O, let them cry. To them that ne'er have striven
    The truth that lies behind a word to find,
    To them the word's right meaning was not given.
    They shall continue blind among the blind.
    But thou, O word, so clear, so strong, so pure,
    Thou sayest all which I for goal have taken.
    I give thee to the future! Thine secure
    When each at least unto himself shall waken.
    Comes it in sunshine? In the tempest's thrill?
    I cannot tell--but it the earth shall see!
    I am an Anarchist! Wherefore I will
    Not rule, and also ruled I will not be!

    JOHN HENRY MACKAY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    liberation from shackles and restraint of government
    It takes many centuries of trial and error and discussion and debate and democratic process to evolve usefully modern government and law and order and all the other benefits of modern social structure that these in turn give rise to.

    I don't need liberated from that, but thanks for the offer.

    If the stone age appeals to you then you can still find it somewhere out in a desert somewhere where there is no mobile cellphone tower coverage yet.

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    i think there should be far fewer laws

    i think i could come up with a workable constitution based on freedom in about ten minutes or so

    having said that...i abide out of self interest and the closest i come to anarchy is a refusal to pay for anything that i can get for free digitally because i have managed to get away with it for nearly a decade....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    i think there should be far fewer laws
    Roughly how many laws should there be?

    Can you give us a ballpark figure?

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    7.......
    certainly no more

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    Political dogma is never healthy for an individual, less the collective.

    Dreamers [regardless of their affiliation] will always dream.

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    I started reading John Lydon's autobiography today. He is an entertaining character and a national treasure but he doesn't half talk a load of bollix.

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    One of the reasons I like this place is the anarchy.
    There are no laws and no functioning police force.
    People don't need to be controlled.
    They control themselves naturally.
    Laws are mostly designed to control as a means to profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    I started reading John Lydon's autobiography today.
    do you have a free mobi link?

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    I think I converted this link from epub using Calibre

    https://kat.cr/rotten-no-irish-no-bl...t10034467.html

    There seems to be a mobi link up now too but I can't vouch for it

    https://kat.cr/john-lydon-2-titles-m...t11327486.html

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    ^

    thank you

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    True Anarchism is for the rich. It's virtually impossible to live wholly outside the laws and conventions of society. Guru Krishna Murti was an advocate of Anarchism but his philosophy of total rejection of societal control was unachievable for anyone other than the Bohemian or the ordained. What his philosophy did encourage and is achievable is Anarchism as a state of mind, an open and intelligent interpretation of the information that one receives in our daily lives.
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon View Post
    7.......
    certainly no more
    as long as one of those concerns traffic signals

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    Ever read anything about the Spanish Civil War? Spain always being somewhat backward was still a Feudal system and the Anarchists and Artisans forced to take up arms in the conflict where from a lineage; stretching back hundreds of years, of those that lived on the fringes or outside of Authority's realm of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    True Anarchism is for the rich. It's virtually impossible to live wholly outside the laws and conventions of society. Guru Krishna Murti was an advocate of Anarchism but his philosophy of total rejection of societal control was unachievable for anyone other than the Bohemian or the ordained. What his philosophy did encourage and is achievable is Anarchism as a state of mind, an open and intelligent interpretation of the information that one receives in our daily lives.
    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    True Anarchism is for the rich. It's virtually impossible to live wholly outside the laws and conventions of society. Guru Krishna Murti was an advocate of Anarchism but his philosophy of total rejection of societal control was unachievable for anyone other than the Bohemian or the ordained. What his philosophy did encourage and is achievable is Anarchism as a state of mind, an open and intelligent interpretation of the information that one receives in our daily lives.
    Good post.
    Yes - reasonable without subjective extremes.

    Neo is consistent in this manner.
    Kudos.

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    Paradoxically.. Lydon and McLaren did a great service to Queen and country by bastardising the meaning.




    But is was only...


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    The players might appear to change, yet the old stodgy theatre remains steadfast.

    Much trouble ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Guru Krishna Murti was an advocate of Anarchism but his philosophy of total rejection of societal control was unachievable for anyone other than the Bohemian or the ordained. What his philosophy did encourage and is achievable is Anarchism as a state of mind, an open and intelligent interpretation of the information that one receives in our daily lives.
    Who is the arbiter of what constitutes 'open and intelligent' ?

    Anarchism only happens inside your head?

    But in the real world you follow the rules?

    How is this Anarchism?

    Anarchism does not, cannot and has never existed in any form of human society.

    Even chimpanzees enforce social rules on each other about who gets first dibs at the food and who gets groomed first and by whom in the chimp hierarchy.

    Social sophistication involves rules.

    Rules require democratic agreement and some process of communal enforcement.

    Social sophistication is what makes our species the miracle that it is.

    The fictional notion of anarchism is political and intellectual masturbation.

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    Anarchy is what the state makes of it.

    A Wendt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Guru Krishna Murti was an advocate of Anarchism but his philosophy of total rejection of societal control was unachievable for anyone other than the Bohemian or the ordained. What his philosophy did encourage and is achievable is Anarchism as a state of mind, an open and intelligent interpretation of the information that one receives in our daily lives.
    Disregarding your ultra conservative reaction and in the spirit of debate...

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Who is the arbiter of what constitutes 'open and intelligent' ?
    The dictionary definition of intelligence will help you there, the consensus generally being the ability to assimilate new concepts and ideas.

    As for the arbiter, well that is entirely the point of Philosophical debate of which free will is a cornerstone.

    For a more scientific analysis of the cognitive process of the traditional philosophic and cultural concepts of free will, intelligence and the relative perception of an open mind that can be tested with modern conventions, it may be worth looking into the study of Memes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Anarchism only happens inside your head?
    Not such a difficult concept to grasp if you understand the Buddhist mantra that our personal reality is a construction of our own minds.

    Or consider prisoners of concience, or heretics, or Copernicus perhaps.

    When society controls everything you do, the last thing they have no control over is your mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    But in the real world you follow the rules?
    We all have to follow rules; it is a convention of modern society, but those that are best placed to go against convention are at the upper and lower fringes of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    How is this Anarchism?
    Well a lot depends on your interpretation of Anarchism.
    Anarchism is neither rejection or revolution of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Anarchism does not, cannot and has never existed in any form of human society.
    Very trite. Anarchism predates society and its traditional sense is an anachronism due to the adoption of societal convention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    The fictional notion of anarchism is political and intellectual masturbation.
    Oh this is just foreplay Looper, want to stick around and get your Conservative arse handed to you yet again,
    or would you prefer to contribute elsewhere with a nice picture thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon View Post
    7.......
    certainly no more
    OK, let's work on that....,

    my 7

    Stop globalisation.
    Hold banking institutions accountable
    Give Kurgen free beer


    watch this space, BBL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    When society controls everything you do, the last thing they have no control over is your mind.


    Melodramatic cock-throttling of the most predictable variety.

    Why don't you give us a simple picture of how you see anarchy actually working or how it has worked at some time in the past if you think it is or ever has been real?

    Or is waffling in meaningless pseudo-intellectual politico-babble more your style?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Well a lot depends on your interpretation of Anarchism.
    So what is your interpretation of it?

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