Right Wing Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon

**Cujo** · 04-01-2016, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

I believe further to Humbert's OP , he begged the question as to how this "illegal" occupation would be handled by Federal authorities if the occupants were affiliated with Islamic or Afro-American ('black') movements. Would the approach to "enforce the letter of the law" be stronger ?

No, my comment was about the double standard the right demonstrates when it comes to terrorism. Red blooded, patriotic gun loving cowboy rancher good - armed muslim or black bad. If they want to peacefully protest because they want the government to subsidize grazing on Federal land or because they think arson is a justifiable response to their greviances that is their right. But if muslims seized a Federal building in Washington DC the right would be clammoring for the place to be stormed and the perpetrators gunned down.

So how do you advocate dealing with these farmers then?

**Humbert** · 04-01-2016, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

So how do you advocate dealing with these farmers then?

See post #20 Cujo.

**Storekeeper** · 04-01-2016, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Cujo

So how do you advocate dealing with these farmers then?

See post #20 Cujo.

These idiots with their semi-automatics, shotguns and pistols really do believe they can stand up to the government. One guy told me there are like 600,000 registered firearms users in the state of Wisconsin. His point being that's like the sixth largest army in the world or something like that. 'Muricans really are naive.

**MrG** · 04-01-2016, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Cujo

So how do you advocate dealing with these farmers then?

See post #20 Cujo.

These idiots with their semi-automatics, shotguns and pistols really do believe they can stand up to the government. One guy told me there are like 600,000 registered firearms users in the state of Wisconsin. His point being that's like the sixth largest army in the world or something like that. 'Muricans really are naive.

Maybe if they were organized it might mean something, but the chances are if you got any 20 of them together the first order of business would be to draw straws for who is going to make the first beer run.

If these guys really thought they had any right to the land--or believed in the Constitution--they would take it up through the court system. They just want freebies from the Government that they're not entitled to. Ironic, isn't it.

**jamescollister** · 04-01-2016, 07:31 PM

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

**Cujo** · 05-01-2016, 09:24 AM

Nutjobs.
Seal them off. If they reckon they can stay there for years good luck to them.

Armed militants on Monday began their third day in the Malheur national wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon, where they say they could stay “for several years”, in defiance of the US government.

Oregon militia occupying wildlife refuge aims to overthrow government, says sheriff
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The militants’ ostensible goal is freedom for two local ranchers, father and son Dwight and Steven Hammond, who were convicted of arson on federal land and were expected to surrender peacefully.

But some of the militants at Malheur are not from Harney County, including Ammon Bundy, son of the Nevada rancher who staged and won a 2014 standoff with officers over the use of federal land. On Sunday, Harney County sheriff David Ward accused the younger Bundy and his fellows of aims separate from the Hammonds’ case.

“These men had alternative motives,” Ward said, “to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”

‘The point of the spear’
The occupation of the Malheur wildlife refuge buildings began after about 300 people, including local residents and armed outsiders, marched to the Harney County courthouse in support of the Hammonds. The protesters threw coins at the sheriff’s office and courthouse, to symbolize citizens “buying back” their government.

A small group split off to seize the refuge, which abuts the Hammond ranch. When the Guardian arrived at the scene, only about a dozen armed men were seen around the building and at a lookout tower, with fewer cars, despite a few reports having said scores of men were at the refuge.

The militia is led by several people who are not from Oregon, including two brothers of the Nevadan Bundy brood, Ammon and Ryan; Arizonans Jon Ritzheimer and Blaine Cooper; and Montana electrician Ryan Payne.

Militia members watch after taking over a watchtower at the national wildlife headquarters in Burns, Oregon. Photograph: Mark Graves/AP
Ammon Bundy, 40, told reporters his armed band has more in mind than simply justice for the Hammond family, whose plight he said was a “symptom” of government oppression.

“This will become a base place for patriots from all over the country,” he said, inviting like-minded people to bring their weapons and join up. “We’re the point of the spear that’s going to bring confidence and strength to the rest of the people.”

Bundy said the militia intends to wrest land – such as the refuge, a “mecca for birdwatchers” protected by Republican president Teddy Roosevelt in 1908 – away from the government. Doing this would restore a poor region to prosperity, he said, “getting ranchers back to ranching, getting the miners back to mining, getting the loggers back to logging”.

He and Cooper blamed the government for the steady decline of family ranching – a slow fall driven by drought, industrial cattle farms, the rise of synthetic textiles and myriad other forces. They also blamed government for the general malaise of many working class Americans, especially in rural areas where coal, oil, manufacturing and agriculture jobs have disappeared over the last 30 years.

“The government has beat us and oppressed us and took everything from us,” Cooper told reporters.

Bundy added: “We’re out here because the people have been abused long enough. Their lands and their resources have been taken from them to the point where it’s putting them literally in poverty.”

Brand Thorton, 63, blows into an African spiral horn at the Malheur national wildlife headquarters. Photograph: Mark Graves/AP
The federal government does own huge swaths of land, including 85% of Nevada and more than 50% of Oregon. Many farmers, ranchers, miners and loggers in western states rely on leases from federal agencies. A small minority has resisted federal oversight for decades.

In the late 1970s, ranchers of the so-called “Sagebrush Rebellion” demanded land rights to areas run by federal agencies. Ronald “count me in as a rebel” Reagan won the presidency in 1980, but his administration actually defused the movement with a plan to sell the land to private owners – owners who would not share grazing rights with the rebellious ranchers. The movement largely collapsed, surviving only in pockets of resistance such as the Bundy family’s Nevada ranch.

Cliven Bundy has grazed his cattle on protected land for more than two decades, and ignored fines and court orders since 1993. He refuses to pay $1.2m in penalties, claiming land rights because his Mormon ancestors worked in the area before the Bureau of Land Management came to own it. He sometimes speaks in the third-person, named one of his 14 children after a Biblical figure born of incest, and perturbed many conservatives by musing whether black people were “better off as slaves”.

In 2014, federal agents started rounding up Bundy’s cattle, to account for his delinquent payments. He called for angry neighbors and others to rally at his ranch. Heavily armed people showed up from around the US, alarmed federal agents responded by arming in turn, and the standoff only ended when officials agreed to give Bundy several hundred of his cows back. He claims victory, though at least one of his supporters was prosecuted in federal court for threatening an official.

The sexagenarian patriarch has, however, expressed doubts about his sons’ plan for a commune of “patriots” in Oregon. The occupation is “not exactly what I thought should happen”, he told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Saturday.

He asked his son: “‘How long you going to stand out there?’” he said. “He just told me it was for long term.”

The alleged victims of the federal government, the Hammond family, have distanced themselves from the militia men. Dwight Hammond, 73, and his 46-year-old son, Steven, were convicted for setting fires that spread to federal lands. A judge gave them both short sentences, saying the recommended prison terms would be too long.

But a federal court re-sentenced the father and son for up to five and four years respectively, citing the mandatory minimum sentence under a 1996 anti-terrorism law. The new sentence provoked outrage among neighbors, and eventually caught the attention of the Bundy family. The US supreme court declined to hear the Hammonds’ appeal.

The Hammonds have had disputes with federal officials since 1999 and were convicted over two fires, one of which spread over 139 acres. The pair claim their burns were meant to combat invasive species and protect cattle feed from lightning fires. Prosecutors argued the men knowingly broke the law and threatened lives.

Harney County residents have expressed anger, anxiety and some sympathy for the militants, the Oregonian reports. Many empathize with the Hammond family, and share complaints with the militiamen about local government. But the militants have also disrupted life, with roads blocked and schools closed, and some local people resent the outsiders and worry about “a trigger-happy idiot out there”, as one told OPB.

What happens now?

Militia leaders have raised more questions than answers about their intentions, despite a cheerful welcome to the press. Ammon Bundy has promised “we pose no threat to anybody”, but also said: “We will do whatever it takes to maintain our freedom.”

His brother, Ryan, told the Oregonian the militants are “willing to kill and be killed if necessary”.

Bundy also said his men were prepared to stay “for several years”, although he did not say how a dozen men might survive a two-week siege, much less 12 months or more. He has also failed to describe how exactly he would divide the wildlife refuge for “ranching, trucks and recreational vehicles like it used to be”.

His assertion that “this refuge rightfully belongs to the people”, although ripped from conservative rhetoric, is vague enough that it could mean almost anything. Open rights to graze, mine and log the refuge – whether for Harney County residents or every American taxpayer – could mean either a communist utopia of shared wilderness or a free-for-all of capitalist consumption.

The sheriff’s department and FBI agents initially kept their distance, and also stayed relatively quiet. With the Bundy standoff and the disastrous Waco massacre in mind, authorities may try to wait the militants out and pursue prosecutions later.

Sheriff Ward told OPB he had received death threats over his refusal to break the law in the Hammond case, and stressed he wants a peaceful resolution.

“We cannot have what happened at the Bundy ranch here,” he said. “I won’t allow it from law enforcement and I won’t have it from citizens.”
Oregon militia says occupation of wildlife refuge could last 'several years' | US news | The Guardian

**Cujo** · 05-01-2016, 09:29 AM

If in a vacuum, I told you that a bearded man with his head covered had posted a video on social media calling on his followers to leave their homes with weapons, migrate to a new area, take over government property “as long as necessary” and use violence if confronted by law enforcement, you’d probably assume that I was talking about the latest propaganda video released by Isis, filmed in Iraq or Syria and intended to recruit violent Muslim extremists.

But that exact call was recently issued on Facebook by white rancher Ammon Bundy, the son of Cliven Bundy who also engaged in an armed standoff with law enforcement in 2014 and who currently owes the government more than $1m in fees. The younger Bundy’s goal this time was to encourage his fellow American “patriots” to take up arms against the US government in protest of the arson convictions of ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr and his son, Steven.

Militia leaders claim approximately 150 followers accepted Ammon Bundy’s call, although reporters on the ground are saying it’s far fewer. The armed men are currently occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon to, in their words, “assist in helping the people of Harney County claim back their lands and resources”. Ammon Bundy has said that his people won’t “rule out violence” if law enforcement “tries to remove them”.

But, don’t worry America: he promised everyone that “we are not terrorists”. What a relief.

Of course they’re not “terrorists”: Bundy and his followers are just your average angry white “freedom fighters”, who use weapons and ammunition to protect the US constitution and American values from the government and other Americans who want them to abide by federal laws like everyone else.

But if Bundy and his followers were like the 38% of Americans who aren’t white, people across America wouldn’t be watching this surreal, dangerous episode unfold and wondering what they could do to be labeled a “militia” when occupying a federal area with guns instead of “terrorists”, “thugs”, “extremists” or “gangs”.

If one black man holding a plastic toy gun even walked in the direction of a federal building, let alone with 150 other black men all holding loaded rifles, he’d be shot dead by law enforcement, no questions asked. If 15 Muslims occupied a 7-Eleven with BB guns and masala Slurpees, federal law enforcement would probably roll up with six MRAPs and immediately take everyone out Waco-style (but without a congressional investigation).

We don’t need to racially profile individuals who look like these armed militiamen (white men with bushy beards and beer bellies), but it’s time for mainstream politicians to at least acknowledge and confront this dangerous threat within our borders.

Since 9/11, more people in America have been killed by rightwing terror attacks than violent jihadists (48 deaths to 45 deaths). America witnessed an “unprecedented rise” in radical rightwing, anti-government groups after the election of President Barack Hussein Obama. Yet, the Department of Homeland Security buried an analyst’s early 2009 warning about the growing threat of rightwing terror groups to focus solely on Muslim extremists, caving to conservative pundits who complained the DHS was demonizing rightwing speech by targeting these groups.

And although the number of people involved has reduced in the past two years, it has not dampened the level of criminal extremism, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Such groups, some of whom have been involved in armed hostilities since the report was withdrawn, are also often openly white supremacist, hostile to immigrants, Islamophobic and prone to anti-government conspiracies.

In other words, they are not unlike Donald Trump’s base. And while this is the time that we would normally expect calls for all moderate militiamen to stand up and condemn the violent extremism within their midst, don’t hold your breath. Republican Senator and presidential candidate Ted Cruz will probably not ignore political correctness and ask, “How can we defeat radical white terrorism with presidential candidates who refuse to utter the words ‘radical white terrorists?’” Trump, who recently said that he’s in favor of killing the families of terrorists to defeat extremists, will assuredly not apply the same standard to white American “militia” members, even if they do employ the violence they’ve promised.

The sad truth is that extremists – both at home and abroad – are often disaffected, frightened and angry people desperately searching for purpose, validation and meaning in a world they feel has left them behind. It’s a sickness that can infect almost anyone, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or gender.

It’s certainly taken hold of Jon Ritzheimer, a US marine veteran involved in the Oregon stand-off . He’s a member of the Three Percenter club, which alleges that their armed and trained members are “defenders of the constitution” willing to “protect our rights against a tyrannical government and foreign invaders”. (Like Bundy, they do not condone any threats or intimidation tactics “unless an action is warranted”.) Ritzheimer also led the armed, anti-Muslim mosque protests earlier this year in Arizona.

Before taking over the wildlife refuge, Ritzheimer – like other extremists before him – posted a “goodbye” video for his family rationalizing his actions as defending freedom against a “tyrannical government”. “I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die,” echoed another militia member, who identified himself only as “Captain Moroni”.

Extremism comes in different colors, ethnicities, beards and head coverings – which is why racial profiling cannot protect us from all extremist violence. Maybe it’s time for politicians and law enforcement to acknowledge inconvenient truths and confront the extremists with “American” names and grievances as they would any other. The security of our homeland – or at least our national wildlife refuges – might depend on it.
If the Oregon militiamen were Muslim or black, they'd probably be dead by now | Wajahat Ali | Opinion | The Guardian

**Storekeeper** · 05-01-2016, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

Yeah, they're white patriots occupying federal property, not black thugs occupying federal property.

**thaimeme** · 05-01-2016, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

Yeah, they're white patriots occupying federal property, not black thugs occupying federal property.

Patriots?
Close enough to White Aryan Brotherhood neighborhood.

Expecting them to join shortly.

Where's that loud Alex Jones when ya need 'im?

**david44** · 05-01-2016, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

Yeah, they're white patriots occupying federal property, not black thugs occupying federal property.

Patriots?
Close enough to White Aryan Brotherhood neighborhood.

Expecting them to join shortly.

Where's that loud Alex Jones when ya need 'im?

Ironic that like the sort of folks who dump on others they are attracted to 'malheur'.

Sadly any wanker with a semi automatic weapon can endanger countless others, fed on christian myths, the Alamo and pop tarts these people see themselves as heroes rather than rural surinder monkeys

**jamescollister** · 05-01-2016, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

Yeah, they're white patriots occupying federal property, not black thugs occupying federal property.

So what's the crime here, or are you saying white squatters should be shot and black looters not.
There are squatters all over the US, probably squatters on Federal land, homeless in Federal buildings.
You and others want action because of political views, not laws, if the squatters had been black, demonstrating about homelessness, that world be OK, but white, demonstrating about land use, need to have a drone, take them out.

**spliff** · 05-01-2016, 03:53 PM

Maybe they think that if they die, they will receive 72 cousins in the afterlife.

**hazz** · 05-01-2016, 04:49 PM

I don't think there is much difference in the mind set between these american patriots and the warlords ripping Pakistan and Afghanistan apart. If the american government was a weak and veinal as those two other countries these chaps would turn America into Afghanistan.

These people should be recognised for the evil they represent.

**baldrick** · 05-01-2016, 04:53 PM

^^ or 72 sheep and goats

**Storekeeper** · 05-01-2016, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's not like these guys stormed some government office block, taking hostages, or classified documents.
From the photo's [CNN] looks like some sort of empty ranger station, so what's the crime, they can carry guns by law, criminal trespass, maybe.

Leave them alone, when the press dies down, fine them for littering, or something, all a big stunt for publicity..

Yeah, they're white patriots occupying federal property, not black thugs occupying federal property.

So what's the crime here, or are you saying white squatters should be shot and black looters not.
There are squatters all over the US, probably squatters on Federal land, homeless in Federal buildings.
You and others want action because of political views, not laws, if the squatters had been black, demonstrating about homelessness, that world be OK, but white, demonstrating about land use, need to have a drone, take them out.

Bullshit. What others like me are doing is simply calling out white ISIS for being the racist, hypocritical douche nozzles that they are. Double standards is what it is ... A bunch of heavily armed blacks trying to incite violence would have already faced the storm troopers and some would be dead. Double standards.

And don't try to pretend to you know me, what me beliefs are or try to speak for me.

**jamescollister** · 05-01-2016, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Bullshit. What others like me are doing is simply calling out white ISIS for being the racist, hypocritical douche nozzles that they are. Double standards is what it is ... A bunch of heavily armed blacks trying to incite violence would have already faced the storm troopers and some would be dead. Double standards.

And don't try to pretend to you know me, what me beliefs are or try to speak for me.

Where is the race issue here, they may very well be white, but the protest is about land rights.

What you are saying is the law is not equal to all, they have a right to bear arms, they are squatting on land.
Post the laws, whether you think they are some sort of terrorist or not, which laws make them so.

You either have the rule of law or you don't, which do you want, take color, race or religion out of it.
Should all squatters, who have legal firearms be deemed terrorists, may be people sleeping in parks, illegally are terrorist.

Not so easy to make laws that cover everything, seem to remember the black panthers carrying weapons, as was their right.

**hazz** · 06-01-2016, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Not so easy to make laws that cover everything, seem to remember the black panthers carrying weapons, as was their right.

which is why the NRA and republicans promoted a law that banned the open carrying of guns. Laws these same people are happy rolling back because white gun nuts don't scare american voters as much as black ones do. This I suspect is the issue store's raising.

**panama hat** · 06-01-2016, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Seal them off. If they reckon they can stay there for years good luck to them.

How will they collect their government benefits?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

So what's the crime here

You're either seven shades of stupid or simply obtuse - the crime is occupying government property and 'warning' the police and others that there will be violence should they be challenged - as they brandish their semi-automatic weapons

Originally Posted by jamescollister

You and others want action because of political views, not laws, if the squatters had been black, demonstrating about homelessness, that world be OK, but white, demonstrating about land use, need to have a drone, take them out.

Please don't resume what others want - no wonder you were such a shit cop that you ended up in jail

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Bullshit. What others like me are doing is simply calling out white ISIS for being the racist, hypocritical douche nozzles that they are. Double standards is what it is ... A bunch of heavily armed blacks trying to incite violence would have already faced the storm troopers and some would be dead. Double standards.

Absolutely - why is it so difficult for some to see the hypocrisy of the way they are being dealt with . . . aiming rifles at cops and FBI agents etc..., threatening violence with their heavily armed gang of thugs

**panama hat** · 06-01-2016, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Not so easy to make laws that cover everything, seem to remember the black panthers carrying weapons, as was their right.

which is why the NRA and republicans promoted a law that banned the open carrying of guns. Laws these same people are happy rolling back because white gun nuts don't scare american voters as much as black ones do. This I suspect is the issue store's raising.

Now you're just bringing facts into a bigoted opinion . . . some headline or blurb he once heard/read is now proof/fact

**Storekeeper** · 06-01-2016, 06:45 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/us...=fb-share&_r=0

"The Oregon protest at a federal wildlife refuge has reignited an already intense debate on social media about policing, race and terrorism.

On Saturday, an armed group of antigovernment protesters occupied a remote federal wildlife refuge in Oregon and warned that they would not leave without a fight. The authorities have held back from attempting to stop the protest.

On social media, that led quickly to questions about a double standard, particularly from liberals and the left, who asked: What if the armed men were Muslim or black? They predicted the authorities would have been more forceful.

Many or all of the protesters appear to be white. It was unclear what religion they are, but at least one has made reference to a prominent Mormon figure. For its part, the Mormon church on Monday condemned the armed building seizure and said it could “in no way be justified on a scriptural basis.”

Rest of article is in the link provided.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Absolutely - why is it so difficult for some to see the hypocrisy of the way they are being dealt with . . . aiming rifles at cops and FBI agents etc..., threatening violence with their heavily armed gang of thugs

Another thing that chaps my ass about Ya'llQueda is the majority of them are right wing chickenhawks who like to dress up like bad ass deer hunters but don't have the balls to serve in the military themselves. These fooking cowards know full well the US government isn't going to do a damn thing about them occupying federal property. That's why they're doing it ... they're pussies afraid to die. Roll up a couple tanks on these coonts or have a helicopter gunship go in and show them what an autocannon can do to a barn and watch the little turds scatter.

**Cujo** · 06-01-2016, 08:52 AM

lets not forget these guys are in a remote isolated spot where the only real threat they pose is to each other.
Cut off the power, close the road and wait.

I'm sure if it were a bunch of mussies, who have a propensity to throw bombs and shoot people, in a downtown location of course the situation would be different.

**david44** · 06-01-2016, 08:59 AM

Agreed I reckon they'll run out of beer before heroism

**Cujo** · 06-01-2016, 09:25 AM

These are the kind of people these are.

**hazz** · 06-01-2016, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Another thing that chaps my ass about Ya'llQueda is the majority of them are right wing chickenhawks who like to dress up like bad ass deer hunters but don't have the balls to serve in the military themselves. These fooking cowards know full well the US government isn't going to do a damn thing about them occupying federal property. That's why they're doing it ... they're pussies afraid to die.

didn't one group leave because they believed that the government was going to do a drone strike on them and they didn't want to die.... sorry miss the opportunity to spend more time standing up for their rights.

To be honest I would say the wabby boy analogy to these nuts is still valid. most muslim radicals are simply socially conservative chicken heads, paranoid, dumb and lacking the bravery to go beyond keyboard warrior.

one might say of their brains were semtex, it wouldn't be enough blow their nose

**david44** · 06-01-2016, 09:39 AM

Brilliant Cujo, their four bears would have never have made it to Salt Flake City without multi-squawing to take the weight.I could walk to thePole with 72 virgins carry all the weight

Unless they have sat phones surely they can be ignored until their batteries are flat.No need risk anyone's skin ,maybe a fence and could charge folks to look at these Jurassic types, so as no to deprive a few T baggers their constitutional vote they can vote via Aldis lamp or Semaphore for the GOP

Some entrepreneur could set up an interactive feed the monkeys game where they'd spout fundamentalism in return for food, Kinda FuckDynasty meets TVeeza

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