Thread: 2016 Republican US Presidential Candidates

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In any other country it would be a disgrace, with them ignorance is a badge worn with pride

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Republican donor John Jordan said Monday that GOP leaders should take steps to block Trump's access to the first presidential debate in early August.

True democracy at work . . . the Rethuglican way

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cruz refused to condemn Trump's comments,

No surprise there . . . the guy's a jackal

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Republican donor John Jordan said Monday that GOP leaders should take steps to block Trump's access to the first presidential debate in early August.

True democracy at work . . . the Rethuglican way

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cruz refused to condemn Trump's comments,

No surprise there . . . the guy's a jackal

But Cruz is just worried that Trumpy is going to take all those teabagger votes off him.

Remember this a few weeks ago:

Trump to Greta van Susteren:

“I do know what to do, and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or, beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly, and I’m not [going to] tell you what it is tonight.”

Ms. Van Susteren asked why he would not tell.

“I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing,” he said. “Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point. But there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.

Didn't the shithead make similar statements years ago . . . but didn't 'share his secret', making him culpable in the deaths of many soldiers and civilains.

He really is a . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

Remember this a few weeks ago:

Trump to Greta van Susteren:

“I do know what to do, and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or, beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly, and I’m not [going to] tell you what it is tonight.”

Ms. Van Susteren asked why he would not tell.

“I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing,” he said. “Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point. But there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.

Didn't the shithead make similar statements years ago . . . but didn't 'share his secret', making him culpable in the deaths of many soldiers and civilains.

He really is a . . .

Not only that, it's not really the U.S.s fight is it.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Do these clowns still get paid for their elected jobs?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Having spent the past several months traveling the country

I would be very pissed off if the clown I voted for - or even didn't but my taxes pay his salary - stopped working for 18 months . . . but still gets paid

That is a very excellent point and I wish I could green you for it.
That's 36% of his time in office spent campaigning.
Sack that fucker if he didn't apply for and get granted leave.

Worried about "Republican on Republican violence,"

I'm picturing push comes to shove and suddenly they're all pulling their pieces and shooting at one another.
This has comedy movie written all over it.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Like the fuckin' border being wide open and criminal illegal aliens swarming the streets of America.

Typical right wing fear mongering.

Originally Posted by Cujo

This has comedy movie written all over it.

With you posting drunken shit, yes.

I can see lots of comedy value but very little merit.

Kind of says it all,........

The GOP has found a new Clown Car/Short Bus driver. They do like shiny objects.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Typical right wing fear mongering.

Yup, all 12 million of them...

^ Bull. Why is it you right wing loons have such a problem with facts?

"The number of Mexican immigrants living illegally in the U.S. has dropped significantly for the first time in decades, a dramatic shift as many illegal workers, already in the U.S. and seeing few job opportunities, return to Mexico. An analysis of census data from the U.S. and Mexican governments details the movement to and from Mexico, a nation accounting for nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants in the U.S. It comes amid renewed debate over U.S. immigration policy as the Supreme Court hears arguments this week on Arizona's tough immigration law.
Roughly 6.1 million unauthorized Mexican immigrants were living in the U.S. last year, down from a peak of nearly 7 million in 2007, according to the Pew Hispanic Center study released Monday. It was the biggest sustained drop in modern history, believed to be surpassed in scale only by losses in the Mexican-born U.S. population during the Great Depression.
Much of the drop in illegal immigrants is due to the persistently weak U.S. economy, which has shrunk construction and service-sector jobs attractive to Mexican workers following the housing bust. But increased deportations, heightened U.S. patrols and violence along the border also have played a role, as well as demographic changes, such as Mexico's declining birth rate.
In all, the Mexican-born population in the U.S. last year -- legal and illegal -- fell to 12 million, marking an end to an immigration boom dating back to the 1970s, when foreign-born residents from Mexico stood at 760,000. The 2007 peak was 12.6 million."


Illegal Mexican immigrant numbers down as more migrate back to Mexico - CBS News

President Obama's executive action on immigration enraged Republicans, but has also widened the split between two camps within the GOP. The "no amnesty" camp wants tougher border security, and not much else. The "reform" camp wants better border security coupled with some sort of upgrade in legal status for undocumented immigrants. The intra-party battle has already begun. The results will determine the GOP's appeal to many Hispanic voters in 2016.
Underlying this debate is at least one shared assumption: There are — and always will be — millions of Mexicans ready to move permanently to the United States. What if that assumption is now completely wrong?
Until a few years ago, mass migration from Mexico to the U.S. was a truism. An enormous wave of Mexican migration to the U.S. started almost 45 years ago. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, the number of Mexican-born immigrants living in the U.S. soared from 760,000 in 1970 to a peak of 12.6 million in 2007. Spurred on by major changes in U.S. immigration law in 1965 and 1986 and the 1995 peso crisis, by the mid-1990's Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal residents) were flowing into the U.S. at the rate of over half a million a year, peaking in 2000 at 770,000.
But in 2001, the number of new residents (based on U.S. Census Bureau data) started to drop. In 2005, it began to plunge, bottoming out at 140,000 in 2010 and has flat lined since then. Most analysts attribute the steep drop of the last decade to the collapse of the U.S. housing market in 2006 and the lingering recession following the financial crisis in 2008.




But a bigger factor has been at work in Mexico that will drive net migration numbers to very low levels — close to zero — for at least the next one or two generations and probably much longer. Mexico, known for massive and rapid population growth for most of the 20th century, is now on the same downward demographic spiral as the rest of the developed world, including most of Latin America.
In the early 1960's, the total fertility rate for Mexican women was around seven children. By 2013, the rate was down to 2.2, just above the replacement rate of 2.1. The absolute number of live births in Mexico has fallen every year since 1994, and a UN population analysis projects that Mexico will sink below the replacement rate around 2025. Once countries go below the magic fertility number of 2.1 it isn't long — about 30 years — before their population growth completely halts and then starts to shrink.
In the meantime, those steep fertility declines already have shown up in the falling immigration numbers, as the pool of Mexican 15-39 year olds — the prime age to migrate — grows smaller and smaller year after year.
While fewer Mexicans are moving to the U.S., there has been an increase in those leaving the U.S. and returning to Mexico (including those who have been deported). According to the Pew Center's analysis of Mexican census data, between 2005 and 2010, 1.4 million Mexicans who had previously resided in the U.S. returned to Mexico. This is almost double the number who returned from the U.S. to Mexico from 1995-2000.



There are other push-and-pull factors, but they do not appear to exert as much of an influence as demographic trends. There is no doubt that the relative strengths of the Mexican and U.S. economies create short-term effects, particularly among low-skilled Mexican workers, which constitute the bulk of the immigrants to the U.S. But the large persistent gap in GDP per capita between the U.S. and Mexico has grown only bigger since 2000, but fewer Mexicans have left. Likewise, although drug violence has been hugely destabilizing to Mexican society over the last 10 years, it has not correlated at all with migration trends to the U.S.
Barring truly massive shocks to the Mexican economy or political system, we are extremely unlikely to see another great wave of immigration for at least the next 20 year to 40 years. And that would only happen if Mexico reverses a half-century of declining fertility rates within the next few years.
How will a net zero migration rate from Mexico affect U.S. politics? In the short term, it will have little effect on the debate over how to handle the over 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., 60% of which are Mexican born. In the long term, the new "net zero" normal may help both parties compete for Hispanic votes across a much wider spectrum of issues, rather than through the prism of immigration alone.



What Mexican immigration problem? Column

Originally Posted by bsnub

Roughly 6.1 million unauthorized Mexican immigrants

Wrong, they are not Mexican Immigrants they are illegal migrants that should be jailed and sent back from whence they came... the numbers you post are those of the P.C. political's not the total number of those unaccounted for by Obamas slobbering ignorants...you can't cover this up.

They get welfare stamps, free medical care, education and any number of benefits that tax paying citizens carry the load for. Line up the buses, send them home. Trumps got this one right! You may not like the way he tells it, but I'll bet better than 75% of America secretly agrees with him.

Trump just may surprise everyone.

The best bit is people like Santorum and that failed CEO bint are seething.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by bsnub

Roughly 6.1 million unauthorized Mexican immigrants

Wrong, they are not Mexican Immigrants they are illegal migrants that should be jailed and sent back from whence they came... the numbers you post are those of the P.C. political's not the total number of those unaccounted for by Obamas slobbering ignorants...you can't cover this up.

They get welfare stamps, free medical care, education and any number of benefits that tax paying citizens carry the load for. Line up the buses, send them home. Trumps got this one right! You may not like the way he tells it, but I'll bet better than 75% of America secretly agrees with him.

Trump just may surprise everyone.

You clearly have no fucking idea what contribution illegals make to the economy both in the revenue they generate doing shit jobs and the taxes they pay without being able to get any of the benefits.

Do a bit of research, it's not rocket science.

Hairy thinks that hiring illegals contributes to the economy...if those illegals were back in Mexico or their other south of the border hovel...some actual Americans could be running those businesses and paying actual citizens to work in their businesses, paying taxes and reducing the strain on other tax payers and social systems set up for guess who Hairy? CITIZENS!

Originally Posted by ltnt

Trump just may surprise everyone.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Hairy thinks that hiring illegals contributes to the economy

Originally Posted by ltnt

.some actual Americans could be running those businesses and paying actual citizens to work in their businesses, paying taxes and reducing the strain on other tax payers and social systems set up for guess who Hairy?

You are a clueless buffoon. Clearly saddled with absurd far right nonsense. You retards still think that small business matters to the oligarchs that push your buttons. Simple fucks.

Originally Posted by bsnub

You are a clueless buffoon. Clearly saddled with absurd far right nonsense. You retards still think that small business matters to the oligarchs that push your buttons. Simple fucks.

Nice post up bsnub...clearly you're trying to get into my pants with all this nasty talk?

Why not try and stay off the barbiturates today. I'm sure your buddies down at the airplane factory will appreciate it if you'd show up sober for a change. What shift you on this month? Union dues must be enormous now...every check they grab a little from you fools. Pawns of the system you are. New meaning to Union Made for sure. You live in the past where Upton Sinclare would have puked on your version of socialism.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Union dues must be enormous now...every check they grab a little from you fools.

I work for myself so I would not know. I will say that the oligarchs take far more from the working class. You are a slave to dogma and not a deep thinker. You buy into the tired fox news/right wing alternate reality prescribed by your Koch overlords. A strong union means a strong middle class. Economic FACT.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Pawns of the system you are. New meaning to Union Made for sure.

Out source that shit to China bitch. Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Hairy thinks that hiring illegals contributes to the economy...if those illegals were back in Mexico or their other south of the border hovel...some actual Americans could be running those businesses and paying actual citizens to work in their businesses, paying taxes and reducing the strain on other tax payers and social systems set up for guess who Hairy? CITIZENS!

Something like 53% of agricultural workers are illegals.

They have to do the job because too many seppos are busy stuffing their fat fucking faces with burgers and won't work for minimum wage.

Top 10 Myths About Immigration

By Leo Anchondo of Justice for Immigrants

Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.
(Source: http://www.immigrationforum.org/abou.../tax_study.htm)

Immigrants come here to take welfare.
Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members. Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.
(Source: "Questioning Immigration Policy - Can We Afford to Open Our Arms?", Friends Committee on National Legislation Document #G-606-DOM, January 25, 1996. http:Federation Of American Scientists -)

Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries.
In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
(Source: http://www.cato.org/research/article...ld-020218.html)

Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans.
The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.
(Source: Richard Vedder, Lowell Gallaway, and Stephen Moore, Immigration and Unemployment: New Evidence, Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, Arlington, VA (Mar. 1994), p. 13.)

Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy.
During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
(Source: Andrew Sum, Mykhaylo Trubskyy, Ishwar Khatiwada, et al., Immigrant Workers in the New England Labor Market: Implications for Workforce Development Policy, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston, Prepared for the New England Regional Office, the Employment and Training Administration, and the U.S. Department of Labor, Boston, Massachusetts, October 2002. http://www.nupr.neu.edu/11-02/immigration.PDF)

Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans.
Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply. Greater than 33% of immigrants are naturalized citizens; given increased immigration in the 1990s, this figure will rise as more legal permanent residents become eligible for naturalization in the coming years. The number of immigrants naturalizing spiked sharply after two events: enactment of immigration and welfare reform laws in 1996, and the terrorist attacks in 2001.
(Source: American Immigration Lawyers Association, Myths & Facts in the Immigration Debate", 8/14/03. http://www.aila.org/contentViewer.as...7,142#section4)
(Source: Simon Romero and Janet Elder, "Hispanics in the US Report Optimism" New York Times, Aug. 6, 2003)

Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago.
The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
(Source: Census Data: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/censr-4.pdf)

Most immigrants cross the border illegally.
Around 75% of today's immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas.
(Source: Department of Homeland Security Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security)

Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
(Source: Immigration and Naturalization website:http://www.ncjrs.org/ondcppubs/publi...der/ins_3.html)

The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions.
No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
(Source: Associated Press/Dow Jones Newswires, "US Senate Subcommittee Hears Immigration Testimony", Oct. 17, 2001.)
(Source: Cato Institute: "Don't Blame Immigrants for Terrorism", Daniel Griswold, Assoc. Director of Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-23-01.html)
Year Released: 2010

Undocumented Immigrants' State and Local Tax Contributions

Released April 16th, 2015

A new 50-state study, Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions, by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy finds that undocumented immigrants’ tax contributions would increase significantly under the Obama Administration’s executive actions and even more substantially under comprehensive immigration reform granting all undocumented immigrants lawful permanent residence.

The 11.4 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States collectively paid $11.84 billion in state and local taxes in 2012. ITEP’s analysis finds their combined nationwide state and local tax contributions would increase by $845 million under full implementation of the administration’s 2012 and 2014 executive actions and by $2.2 billion under comprehensive immigration reform.

“The fact is, undocumented immigrants already are paying billions in taxes to state and local governments, and if they are allowed to work in the country legally, their state and local tax contributions will increase significantly,” said Matthew Gardner, executive director of ITEP.

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