Thread: 2016 Republican US Presidential Candidates

The GOP in Wisconsin has proposed a bill which will gut the open records law and allow more secrecy in that state's government. Walker isn't talking about whether he is involved or will support the bill.

Keep an eye on Walker to see his actions regarding this attempt to cloud Wisconsin's records so outside influence on the state government will go undetected.

Plan to curtail public records laws sparks uproar

APPLETON, Wis. — A vote by Wisconsin's budget committee to dismantle the state's open records laws has caused an uproar across the Badger State.

Under these measures, lawmakers would be able to draft bills in secret and hide their communications from the public. The changes would also apply to local government officials, including school board members.

No other state in the country would have similar statutes, according to the Legislative Reference Bureau, a nonpartisan agency that helps legislators draft laws.

The Joint Finance Committee passed it 12-4 on a party line vote. Republicans refused to say who initiated the measures and the reasoning for it.

Before becoming law, both houses of the state Legislature and Gov. Scott Walker must approve the measures.

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Plan to curtail public records laws sparks uproar

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ted Cruz: ‘I Salute Donald Trump’ for Speaking Out on Immigration

Did he say that using Bart Simpson's voice or in rhyme like Dr Seuss?

Yup, all class this guy

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ted Cruz: ‘I Salute Donald Trump’ for Speaking Out on Immigration

Did he say that using Bart Simpson's voice or in rhyme like Dr Seuss?

Yup, all class this guy

Lot more than that Piano Legs 'thing' that thinks she's entitled to be POTUS!

Backed off on that one!

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes
Proposal was blasted by conservatives, liberals alike

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes

Originally Posted by misskit

Backed off on that one!

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes
Proposal was blasted by conservatives, liberals alike

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes

Heh...must be 'ol Scott gotcha a littled worried to be focusing on this quite viable candidate for POTUS eh?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

Backed off on that one!

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes
Proposal was blasted by conservatives, liberals alike

GOP lawmakers, Scott Walker abandon open records changes

Heh...must be 'ol Scott gotcha a littled worried to be focusing on this quite viable candidate for POTUS eh?

WTF is that in English Booners?

Walker realised he was gonna get it in the arse from voters if he tried to fuck them over, so backtracked as quickly as he could?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ted Cruz: ‘I Salute Donald Trump’ for Speaking Out on Immigration

Did he say that using Bart Simpson's voice or in rhyme like Dr Seuss?

Yup, all class this guy

Lot more than that Piano Legs 'thing' that thinks she's entitled to be POTUS!

But why have you abandoned him then Booners?

Is it because if you know he's not even going to get close to the nomination, so you're hedging your bets to avoid us ripping the piss out of you even more?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ted Cruz: ‘I Salute Donald Trump’ for Speaking Out on Immigration

Did he say that using Bart Simpson's voice or in rhyme like Dr Seuss?

Yup, all class this guy

Lot more than that Piano Legs 'thing' that thinks she's entitled to be POTUS!

First on the Palin thread, now here . . . can you not stick to at least the thread title? You want to wank all over HRC at every turn . . . methinks thou dost protest too much, BM.

Just or you;

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Early days, dude

True . . . who knows what his 'buddies' will find in his closet . . .

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...must be 'ol Scott gotcha a littled worried to be focusing on this quite viable candidate for POTUS eh?

Heh...by your own metric then must be 'ol HRC has got you absolutely mewling and puking in terror for you to be yabbering on about her incessantly for all this time.

Eh?

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...must be 'ol Scott gotcha a littled worried to be focusing on this quite viable candidate for POTUS eh?

Heh...by your own metric then must be 'ol HRC has got you absolutely mewling and puking in terror for you to be yabbering on about her incessantly for all this time.

Eh?

Including on the Sarah Palin thread, the dumb shit.

Why Trump Is Resonating.

Mebe because he talks to the base that the GOP hates and ignores?



"He may be an object of derision to many followers of the 2016 presidential race, but advocates for tougher border laws are cheering Donald Trump’s controversial statements on immigration.

While they say Trump’s rhetoric could be improved, groups opposed to illegal immigration are hoping Trump’s recent headlines will force other Republican candidates to take firmer stances on border security.

“The first point to make is that Trump is resonating with a lot of people,” Mark Krikorian, executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies, told The Hill.

“It’s not just Republicans, but a lot of ordinary Americans,” he said. “It’s precisely because regular politicians aren’t addressing the issues they are concerned about.”

“When you’re looking at the whole country – the Democratic and the Republican electorates both – they’re almost screaming for alternatives to what they’ve been presented.”

Trump sparked outrage by sharply criticizing Hispanic immigrants and Mexico during his formal campaign launch June 16.

“They’re sending people who have a lot of problems,” he said during his announcement speech at New York’s Trump Tower.

“They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” he said. “And some, I assume, are good people.”

Trump has seen a barrage of business entities terminate relationships with him since the remarks. Macy’s, NBC and Univision have each cut ties with the outspoken billionaire in the wake of his diatribe.

But despite the bad press, Trump’s campaign is surging. He placed in second in two recent national polls of the 2016 Republican White House field, and has seen a particular surge in the early-voting state of New Hampshire.

Conservative radio host Steve Deace argued Trump’s words are ringing true with conservatives who are tired of how they’ve been treated by the establishment Republican Party.

“Trump is simply saying what a lot of average Americans who could care less what people inside the 202 and 212 area code thinks to some extent,” Deace told the Hill.

“The idea of this hurting the GOP brand is laughable,” he said. “What brand?”

“They already lie to their conservative base repeatedly,” Deace said of mainstream Republicans.

“Most of the GOP’s base is looking for reasons to revolt,” he added. “The brand here isn’t just damaged – it needs an exorcism.”

Krikorian said the attention Trump’s rhetoric is getting shows Americans are still concerned with border security and illegal immigration.

“When people aren’t having their concerns addressed, they’ll listen to the clown,” he said.

But Krikorian sees a path for Trump to change the GOP’s approach to border security even if he doesn’t win the nomination.

“On the very positive side, if he leads the more conventional candidates to address our feckless immigration policies in a way most of them have tried to avoid, then that could be helpful,” he said.

“Trump could impact every Republican candidate to come closer to his position.”

Republicans are not unified behind Trump’s controversial rhetoric, though. Some worry he may hurt the GOP’s credibility as it tries to reclaim the White House in 2016.

With many Latinos up in arms over remarks some see as bigoted and racist towards Hispanic immigrants, Republicans risk alienating a growing voting bloc.

Other Republican White House hopefuls have rebuked Trump’s language on the 2016 campaign trail.

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former New York Gov. George Pataki each criticized Trump earlier this week, as did New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

Immigration reform advocate Ira Mehlman said Trump’s remarks inelegantly addressed an issue of real concern for voters.

Border security and illegal immigration are legitimate worries for many Americans, he said.

“Trump did draw attention to the fact that the border is out of control,” said Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

“The problem is that the border itself is a symptom, not the problem,” Mehlman said.

“People understand that if they can get into the United States illegally, they’re probably home-free,” he added.

“As long as you keep incentivizing illegal immigration, you’ll never get the border under control.”

NumbersUSA President Roy Beck, meanwhile, said Trump’s blame is misplaced when he focuses on immigrants instead of policy decisions.

“In our view, Trump has focused the debate on the wrong place — the character of the people who break our immigration laws,” Beck said.

“Our view is that most illegal aliens are decent people who mean no harm to Americans and who view our country’s carelessness about enforcement as something of an invitation to break our immigration laws,” he said.

“In our view, it is counterproductive to focus on the illegal aliens themselves when the true villains are our elected officials, especially our last four presidents.”

Why Trump is resonating on the right | TheHill

Can't argue with a damn thing he says - especially on the illegal aliens and their crime wave across America

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Why Trump Is Resonating.

Mebe because he talks to the base that the GOP hates and ignores?

I'd say he is appealing to the base voters, not the voter base. The type of voter who lives from hot-button topics, memes, throw-away on-liners without showing any policy details.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Why Trump Is Resonating.

Mebe because he talks to the base that the GOP hates and ignores?

I'd say he is appealing to the base voters, not the voter base. The type of voter who lives from hot-button topics, memes, throw-away on-liners without showing any policy details.

Well, whatever the case, the general run-of-the-mill LIV's are starting to perk up and perhaps not swallow the Statist Line as readily as before.

I'm interested in what we will see when he releases his financial report. Will Trump drop his bid for the presidency before he has to show the world what he is really worth minus his bluster.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...must be 'ol Scott gotcha a littled worried to be focusing on this quite viable candidate for POTUS eh?

Heh...by your own metric then must be 'ol HRC has got you absolutely mewling and puking in terror for you to be yabbering on about her incessantly for all this time.

Eh?

Including on the Sarah Palin thread, the dumb shit.

Can't let her go, can you?

Sad...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, whatever the case, the general run-of-the-mill LIV's are starting to perk up and perhaps not swallow the Statist Line as readily as before.

I'd say you are right. There certainly should be a candidate on the right (Sanders is the voice of the unrepresented on the left) who represents those clearly ignored or taken for granted by the Republican machine.

Yet again, the problem of a two-party state

Originally Posted by misskit

I'm interested in what we will see when he releases his financial report. Will Trump drop his bid for the presidency before he has to show the world what he is really worth minus his bluster.

My tip is he'll bow out after he has made 'his impact', whatever that may be in his view . . . probably steering the other candidates more in 'his' direction

I suspect that The Donald will run as an "Independent," if he runs at all. He'll never get the Conventions vote regardless of the primary results...its not automatic and he certainly does not express the views of the majority of the Republican Party.

He most definitely has found some resonance with a specific group and topic, but in the end he's a "flake." Moving on now. What's the alternative to Trump?

Originally Posted by ltnt

I suspect that The Donald will run as an "Independent," if he runs at all. He'll never get the Conventions vote regardless of the primary results...its not automatic and he certainly does not express the views of the majority of the Republican Party.

He most definitely has found some resonance with a specific group and topic, but in the end he's a "flake." Moving on now. What's the alternative to Trump?

Obviously, Ted Cruz but some of y'all don't cotton to him too good but 'ol 'Ted does have the right stuff.

Originally Posted by ltnt

He most definitely has found some resonance with a specific group and topic, but in the end he's a "flake." Moving on now. What's the alternative to Trump?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obviously, Ted Cruz

I believe ltnt's question was a serious one . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by ltnt

He most definitely has found some resonance with a specific group and topic, but in the end he's a "flake." Moving on now. What's the alternative to Trump?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obviously, Ted Cruz

I believe ltnt's question was a serious one . . .

And mine was a serious answer.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by ltnt

He most definitely has found some resonance with a specific group and topic, but in the end he's a "flake." Moving on now. What's the alternative to Trump?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obviously, Ted Cruz

I believe ltnt's question was a serious one . . .

And mine was a serious answer.

See, I just know you're here to take the piss!!!!

Let me mention Scott Walker's stand on immigration. Rather mainstream.

Scott Walker Adjusts Stance on Immigration at Private Dinner

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker told a private dinner of New Hampshire Republicans this month that he backed the idea of allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the country and to eventually become eligible for citizenship, a position at odds with his previous public statements on the matter.

Mr. Walker’s remarks, which were confirmed by three people present, vary from the call he has made for “no amnesty”—a phrase widely employed by people who believe immigrants who broke the law by entering the country without permission shouldn’t be awarded legal status or citizenship.

The statements by Mr. Walker, a likely candidate for the GOP presidential nomination, show the difficulty that some in the Republican Party face as they try to appeal both to the conservative GOP primary electorate—which largely opposes easing immigration laws—and business leaders and general election voters who have been more supportive of granting legal status to undocumented immigrants.

Scott Walker Adjusts Stance on Immigration at Private Dinner - WSJ