Thread: 2016 Republican US Presidential Candidates

Well, as much as Trump is portraying the buffoon, he's correct on Immigration.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

He's all yours teabaggers

They'll embrace him with open arms - heck, I'm surprised BM doesn't use him in his new avatar.

How anyone can embrace this loon's 'message' is beyond me

He's toast after his remarks on McCain. He was bound to shoot himself in the foot sooner or later.

Originally Posted by Humbert

He's toast after his remarks on McCain. He was bound to shoot himself in the foot sooner or later.

Trump Says He Heroically Avoided Capture in Vietnam by Staying in U.S. - The New Yorker



He's a moron.

^ No answer to my post by those claiming G.H. was not a moderate....hmm....

Anyway,

An article.

Bush complained that his views are being taken out of context and elaborated. He really said that sustained growth requires that “people work 40 hours rather than 30 hours.” That way, they have more money and can “decide how they want to spend it rather than getting in line and being dependent on government.”

Froma Harrop
Jeb and his vassals lose sight of the serfs
Originally published July 18, 2015

“In the feudal system,” the Oxford English Dictionary says, a vassal is “one holding lands from a superior on conditions of homage and allegiance.”

The system lives on in modern American politics, forsooth in changed form. No longer is it local lords providing military support to a king in return for grants of land. Nowadays, the vassals show their loyalty in the form of large campaign checks. In return, they are promised various economic privileges, among them protection from taxation.


The ritual in all its pageantry has been on display at the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine. There former President George H.W. Bush, his wife, Barbara, and other members of the Bush dynasty hold court to advance Jeb Bush’s quest for the presidency. The object is to make Jeb the second son of H.W.’s, after George W., to capture the White House.

Picture the Bush clan treating CEOs, sports-team owners and other modern-day vassals to lobster rolls and consenting to pose in the courtiers’ selfies. Imagine the splendor: the many houses, including a new one for Jeb, perched on the rocks of Walker’s Point, the Atlantic crashing at their feet.

Such invites are “the prize for members of the vaunted Bush fund-raising operation,” writes political reporter Nicholas Confessore. They are why Jeb has raised as much money for his campaign as the other Republican presidential candidates and their super PACs combined.

Spending so much time in this closed society may also help explain Jeb’s politically awkward remark that Americans “need to work longer hours.”

In olden times, the serfs were regarded as beasts of burden, to be whipped into higher productivity. Conditions are much-improved, but one can assume the conversations at the Bush compound do not linger long on the common folk’s economic interests.

A big reason Donald Trump is matching or passing Jeb in the polls is that he is talking to the serfs. He may be saying stupid things, but at least he recognizes their existence.

Bush complained that his views are being taken out of context and elaborated. He really said that sustained growth requires that “people work 40 hours rather than 30 hours.” That way, they have more money and can “decide how they want to spend it rather than getting in line and being dependent on government.”

Another way of stimulating growth would be to have Americans work the same hours but get paid more. That, too, would put more money in their pockets, prompting more spending and saving. This solution might require employers to share more of the profits with their laborers as they used to do. Such scenarios don’t cross the royal mindset — the key to growth always being to crank up the serfs’ stress level.


The reality is that lots of Americans would love a 40-hour job, but are instead stuck working two 30-hour jobs, neither offering such luxuries as health coverage and vacation time. That’s the sad reality of today’s job market and one reason the Affordable Care Act was so necessary. It subsidizes health coverage for workers who can’t get it through their employment.

But economic security in some eyes is dependency in others’. One conservative argument goes that repealing Obamacare would force workers into the 40-hour jobs they’re alleged to be turning up their noses at. It’s the lash, always the lash.

Over at Walker’s Point, donors are meeting a new set of Bushes, known as “P’s crowd.” That would be George P. Bush, a son of Jeb’s apparently looking to claim the family political inheritance. Some of P’s followers have parents who back P’s parent.

Methinks the show goes on.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Humbert

He's toast after his remarks on McCain. He was bound to shoot himself in the foot sooner or later.

Trump Says He Heroically Avoided Capture in Vietnam by Staying in U.S. - The New Yorker



He's a moron.

A legend - yet he has those who adore the guy . . . speaking of which:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

he's correct on Immigration.

Sure, BM.

Hitler built good highways, so he's an ok kind of guy.

Stalin worked on population control - he has his good sides, eh, BM . . .

Pol Pot wanted to establish an agrarian society - according to you he's just good folk

. . . etc etc etc etc

Trump wants open borders for Christians. Oops! Someone needs to tell him that 90% of Mexicans are Christians. The Donald is tripping over himself to pick up the dumbass vote.

"The latest Trumpism™ is ridiculous on no less than two levels. Trump, notorious hater of Mexicans, is now advocating for Christians to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S.; apparently forgetting that over 90 percent of Mexicans are Christians. So The Donald, believing that Mexicans are murderers and rapists, will overlook their many negative qualities if they’re Christians?..."

Trump Wants More ?Christian? Immigrants, Forgets Over 90% Of Mexicans Are Christian | If You Only News

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump wants open borders for Christians. Oops! Someone needs to tell him that 90% of Mexicans are Christians. The Donald is tripping over himself to pick up the dumbass vote.

"The latest Trumpism™ is ridiculous on no less than two levels. Trump, notorious hater of Mexicans, is now advocating for Christians to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S.; apparently forgetting that over 90 percent of Mexicans are Christians. So The Donald, believing that Mexicans are murderers and rapists, will overlook their many negative qualities if they’re Christians?..."

Trump Wants More ?Christian? Immigrants, Forgets Over 90% Of Mexicans Are Christian | If You Only News

No worries there Bert - Trump has no chance of getting nominated.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, as much as Trump is portraying the buffoon, he's correct on Immigration.

Umm no he is not. As I have posted before in this thread. Immigration has been on a steady decline since 2012. Many Mexican illegals have returned to Mexico. This is a none issue. Pure fear mongering.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump wants open borders for Christians. Oops! Someone needs to tell him that 90% of Mexicans are Christians. The Donald is tripping over himself to pick up the dumbass vote.

"The latest Trumpism™ is ridiculous on no less than two levels. Trump, notorious hater of Mexicans, is now advocating for Christians to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S.; apparently forgetting that over 90 percent of Mexicans are Christians. So The Donald, believing that Mexicans are murderers and rapists, will overlook their many negative qualities if they’re Christians?..."

Trump Wants More ?Christian? Immigrants, Forgets Over 90% Of Mexicans Are Christian | If You Only News

If memory serves me correctly the evangelical types view Catholicism as a cult.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump wants open borders for Christians. Oops! Someone needs to tell him that 90% of Mexicans are Christians. The Donald is tripping over himself to pick up the dumbass vote.

"The latest Trumpism™ is ridiculous on no less than two levels. Trump, notorious hater of Mexicans, is now advocating for Christians to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S.; apparently forgetting that over 90 percent of Mexicans are Christians. So The Donald, believing that Mexicans are murderers and rapists, will overlook their many negative qualities if they’re Christians?..."

Trump Wants More ?Christian? Immigrants, Forgets Over 90% Of Mexicans Are Christian | If You Only News

Oh dear, it doesn't look good for BM's newest best friend . . .

Fox producer: People love Trump because he won’t let ‘illegal aliens come and murder our women’

x News producer Jesse Watters on Wednesday welcomed a potential Donald Trump presidency, saying that the billionaire “is not going to let illegal aliens come to the country and murder our women.”

On Wednesday’s edition of Outnumbered, Fox News host Andrea Tantaros argued that Trump’s controversial comments which referred to Mexicans as rapists were the best possible way to launch his campaign.

“The Republicans have been crying and calling out for some energy in their party, someone who doesn’t speak in platitudes,” she explained. “They finally have it. I’ve seen on campaigns all the time… you see candidates reacting to a news cycle. I have never seen a news cycle react to a candidate.”

“I mean, Donald Trump made his announcement, talked about immigration, and now you see the news cycle follow,” Tantaros continued. “He couldn’t have planned it better.”

“He is hitting on something, something that people in this country are saying. You know what? The guy has a point.”

Watters agreed: “Right, Trump has tapped into the collective backbone of this country, and he’s the only one willing to say that the emperor has no clothes. And people like that.”

“President Trump is not going to bow to the Saudi King,” Watters insisted. “President Trump is not going to waste half a billion dollars on solar panels. Donald Trump is not going to let illegal aliens come to the country and murder our women. So people respond to that.”

Co-host Kennedy Montgomery, however, suggested that Trump had tapped into something much darker in the Republican Party.

“It’s the collective femur,” Montgomery said. “It’s like the opening scene in 2001 where, unfortunately, it a very, very vocal group people who are going to beat each other over the heads with that femur.”

Fox producer: People love Trump because he won?t let ?illegal aliens come and murder our women?[/url]


Proud times for BM and his ilk . . . Proud times

The Huffington Post announces that it will put news of his candidacy alongside its coverage of the Kardashians.

This settles it: Trump is an operative for the Democrats.

Originally Posted by bsnub

"He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
"Perhaps he's a war hero, but right now, he's said bad things about a lot of people,' Trump added.
The real-estate mogul also said that he didn't like McCain after his loss to President Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election.
"I never liked him after that, because I don't like losers," Trump said.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, as much as Trump is portraying the buffoon, he's correct on Immigration.

Umm no he is not. As I have posted before in this thread. Immigration has been on a steady decline since 2012. Many Mexican illegals have returned to Mexico. This is a none issue. Pure fear mongering.

This is not a non issue, when the economy comes back so will the illegals unless the southern border is secured.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Real-estate magnate Donald Trump attacked Sen. John McCain's (R-Arizona) status as a "war hero" on Saturday, saying he was only viewed as a war hero because "he was captured."
Speaking at an event in Iowa, Trump argued that McCain — who has spoken out against Trump for his controversial comments about Mexican immigrants — was not a real war hero.
"He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
"Perhaps he's a war hero, but right now, he's said bad things about a lot of people,' Trump added.
The real-estate mogul also said that he didn't like McCain after his loss to President Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election.
"I never liked him after that, because I don't like losers," Trump said.
Trump has recently spoken out more forcefully against McCain, after the veteran senator denounced Trump for "firing up the crazies" during a speech last week in Phoenix.
In response, Trump demanded an apology, and tweeted that McCain is a "dummy."
As The Washington Post reported, Trump is lobbying for a primary challenger to run against McCain in 2016.
Several Republican presidential candidates were quick to condemn Trump.

John McCain is an American hero. I have nothing but respect for his service to our country.
— Gov. Bobby Jindal (@BobbyJindal) July 18, 2015

.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero & all POW's deserve our nation's highest debt of gratitude. @realDonaldTrump's comments are disgraceful.
— Rick Perry (@GovernorPerry) July 18, 2015

Enough with the slanderous attacks. @SenJohnMcCain and all our veterans - particularly POWs have earned our respect and admiration.
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) July 18, 2015

McCain's plane was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967. He spent five years in a prisoner-of-war camp, where he was tortured.
The Senator has been an outspoken advocate for fair treatment of prisoners of war, pushing to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and clashing with the Bush administration over its use of "enhanced interrogation techniques."
As Politico points out, Trump was granted multiple student draft deferments during the course of the Vietnam War.



Donald Trump attacks John McCain: 'He's not a war hero' - Business Insider

McCain and Trump are both A-holes.


God bless America !

1.There were 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2012, a total unchanged from 2009, and currently making up 3.5% of the nation’s population. (Preliminary estimates show the population was 11.3 million in 2013.) The number of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population.





2.Mexicans make up about half of all unauthorized immigrants (52%), though their numbers have been declining in recent years. There were 5.9 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2012, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to Pew Research Center estimates. Over the same time period, the number of unauthorized immigrants from Asia, the Caribbean, Central America and a grouping of countries in the Middle East, Africa and some other areas grew slightly (unauthorized immigrant populations from South America and Europe/Canada did not change significantly).


3.Six states alone account for 60% of unauthorized immigrants—California, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. But the distribution of the population is changing. From 2009 to 2012, several East Coast states were among those with population increases, whereas several Western states were among those with population decreases. There were seven states overall in which the unauthorized immigrant population increased: Florida, Idaho, Maryland, Nebraska, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Meanwhile, there were 14 states in which the population decreased over the same time period: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Mexico, New York and Oregon. Despite a decline, Nevada has the nation’s largest share (8%) of unauthorized immigrants in its state population.


4.Unauthorized immigrants make up 5.1% of the U.S. labor force. In the U.S. labor force, there were 8.1 million unauthorized immigrants either working or looking for work in 2012. Among the states, Nevada (10%), California (9%), Texas (9%) and New Jersey (8%) had the highest shares of unauthorized immigrants in their labor forces.

5.About 7% of K-12 students had at least one unauthorized immigrant parent in 2012. Among these students, about eight-in-ten (79%) were born in the U.S. In Nevada, almost one-in-five students (18%) have at least one unauthorized immigrant parent, the largest share in the nation. Other top states on this measure are California (13%), Texas (13%) and Arizona (11%).


5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Trump At 24% in ABC/WaPo Poll; Has 11-Point Lead Over Nearest Competitor

So, there's that.

Whether or not you support Trump, you must concede that this is pretty funny:

Poll: Trump surges to big lead in GOP presidential race - The Washington Post

^ Not funny ... sickening that he's getting a surge for disparaging McCain's time as a POW. I'm not amused at all that vets, and others, use McCain's performance as a Senator to belittle his time as a POW.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Whether or not you support Trump, you must concede that this is pretty funny:

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Not funny ... sickening that he's getting a surge for disparaging McCain's time as a POW.

BM just rolls that way . . . get's all high and mighty about others but is worse himself - I'm just surprised he didn't place a smilie after what he thinks is so funny.

Vis-a-vis McCain, I think it's a reaction against the guy because he is such an arsehole . . . so Trump dissed him and those who daren't say anything are now finding a bigmouth to deliver the message.

Say what you want but Trump is bringing out the ugly in the broad right wing factions, he does speak for them despite being a (supposedly) billionaire.

He's an idiot, but he's no dummy

Seems like Trump is the Boris Johnson of the US.

^ I am glad because it shows that there are 20-40% percent in this country that are tied up by religion and fox news. Let the idiots eat each other...

Originally Posted by panama hat

BM just rolls that way . . . get's all high and mighty about others but is worse himself

Imagine the howls of poutrage if a Dem had said what Trump said!

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by panama hat

BM just rolls that way . . . get's all high and mighty about others but is worse himself

Imagine the howls of poutrage if a Dem had said what Trump said!

Unimaginable - and Boon Mee would be the loudest of the bunch . . . just look at the howls of fauxtrage at the timing of half-mast announcements.

Timing . . .

He's an idiot without any credence.