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Trump's defeat is no longer the question. It's now a question of by how much.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
He has amassed an army of Trump crusaders. Adoring dedicated supporters who hold no matter what he says or does to be gospel. Trump is not going away in defeat after the election. His rhetoric will become more extreme and dangerous prompting his crusaders to commit extreme criminal actions. Actions which will make Islamic terrorism pale in significance.
They're talking about armed uprising, a coup, if he loses because if he loses it MUST be because the election was rigged.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gingrich-penceQuote:
Life after Trump: Republicans brace for betrayal and civil war after 2016
At least three factions prepare to fight for the party, divided amid Donald Trump’s accusations of corruption and his appeals to fading demographics
Accusations of betrayal. Demagoguery and hatred. The bunker in Berlin. Comparisons with Adolf Hitler have been tempting throughout Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign for the presidency – never more so than at its mad, destructive climax.
The Republican’s presidential bid appears to have become the campaign equivalent of the last days of the reich, when Germany’s leadership raged at bearers of bad news from the battlefield, ordered non-existent divisions to launch counteroffensives, and embraced a nihilistic plan to burn it all down and take everyone along.
The difference is, unlike then, there seems to be little awareness of impending defeat or understanding of how it came to be. Instead, attitudes are like those after the first world war when Germans on the far right coined a word for their myth of betrayal: Dolchstoßlegende.
This election is being rigged by the media pushing false and unsubstantiated charges, and outright lies, in order to elect Crooked Hillary!
7:45 PM - 15 Oct 2016
Trump is trailing Hillary Clinton badly in national polls, sometimes by double digits. Jubilant Democrats are eyeing so-called “red states” such as Georgia and Utah and expanding their ambitions to take both the Senate and House. The Trump campaign has yanked advertising and staff out of Virginia, and major donors are pulling the plug. The writing seems to be on the wall of polling firms, campaign offices and newsrooms across the country.
“So is this presidential election over?” asked Michael Barone, resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. “Almost certainly.”
‘I am a victim’ of political smear campaign, says Trump
In September, Trump appeared competitive. In October, he collapsed. A 2005 video in which he bragged about groping women was followed by a slew of allegations of sexual assault and more than 160 Republican leaders who abandoned Trump. He has declared war on members of his own party, attacking the House speaker, Paul Ryan, and turned to increasingly authoritarian claims, insisting that Clinton must be jailed.
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Republicans have started to fear that 8 November will not be the end but rather the beginning of all-out civil war, asking whether Trumpism can survive Trump, and whether those who support him can survive his candidacy. Who can unify the party of Abraham Lincoln? Who can avoid a historic fourth consecutive defeat in the election of 2020?
Much depends on whether 2016 has an effect on the Senate, where Democrats stand a strong chance of taking control, and on the House, which may now be in play. The maverick businessman has already threatened to dispute the election’s result, claiming the election is rigged, and already lashed out at moderate Republicans for not backing him.
“No one knows what’s going to be left of the party on November 9,” said Charlie Sykes, an influential conservative radio talkshow host. “Republican officials I’ve talked to have gone beyond anger to a sense of anguish about the future of the party,” he said.
“The damage that Trump has done will not end on November 8. I don’t think any Republicans really know what a post-Trump party looks like. They’re hoping it’s a one-off event but I don’t see the civil war going away any time soon.”
Sykes, who has known Ryan since he was first elected to the House in 1998, regards the 46-year-old Wisconsin Catholic, a family man and devotee of Ayn Rand, as its intellectual leader. “If there’s anybody who ought to emerge as the titular leader of the party in the ruins, it will be Paul Ryan.”
After the defeat of Mitt Romney – a harsh critic of Trump and Ryan’s 2012 running mate – Republican officials produced an “autopsy report” concluding that to win back the White House, the party needed to appeal to young voters, women and minorities.
“They did the precise opposite,” Sykes said, noting how Trump had alienated those precise constituencies. “They’ve got to get grips with the fact that if you want to be a national party you cannot win elections if you do not appeal to women, African Americans and Hispanics and young people.”
Instead, Trump’s rallies are dominated by largely white crowdswho have embraced his angry, anti-immigrant rhetoric. “The Trump campaign is premised on turning out a part of the American population that’s shrinking,” said Lanhee Chen, policy director for the Romney presidential campaign.
“For the party to succeed, it needs to focus on the part of the population that’s actually growing. I think that challenge is one that can be addressed post-election in very short order.”
But that shrinking population is not going quietly. The hard core of Trump’s support remains defiant and vociferous and now feels under siege. At a rally in Cincinnati, Ohio, this week, his supporters were fuelled by disdain towards a party establishment that they saw as trying to drag their candidate down.
“They are scared because he is going to stop the bullshit,” said a man who declined to give his last name but said he was called Scott, and had traveled from Aurora, Indiana. He called Ryan s “a spineless moron” and defended Trump. “Hillary’s pulling shit that people have been put in prison for years for,” he said. “Trump kisses some woman on the cheek 30 years ago and Paul Ryan says, ‘I’m not going to support him any more. I’m not going to defend him anymore.’ He didn’t want to defend him from day one.”
Anna Rigdon, wearing a shirt saying, “Trump Pence: fuck your feelings”, expressed similar thoughts. She thought politicians who had backed away from Trump “should be ashamed” and singled out Ryan and “the Bush family” in particular.
If Trump loses, Rigdon said, “I think it is Paul Ryan’s fault and the other Republicans who are not standing by Donald Trump.” She added that in Ohio’s contested Senate race, she would not vote for the incumbent Republican, Rob Portman, who recently withdrew his endorsement of Trump.
Invariably, Trump supporters rejected surveys that show the Republican nominee facing a catastrophic loss. Linda Hernandez, a middle-aged Hispanic woman wearing a “Deplorables for Trump” shirt, said: “I don’t believe the polls. I believe that the liberal media is controlling everyone’s minds.”
The danger for the Republicans is that, should Trump lose, voters who have not believed the polls and the media will conclude that the party itself betrayed them. Instead of learning lessons, party members fear, Trump’s supports will believe they were stabbed in the back, as Trump has insinuated at rallies.
At least three factions of the party will struggle for control: ideologues led by Ryan, an establishment embodied by former presidents George HW and George W Bush (neither of whom endorsed Trump), and a so-called “Breitbart wing”, led by Steve Bannon of the rightwing news network, now chief executive of the Trump campaign.
“It’ll be a war,” said Rick Tyler, a political analyst and former spokesperson for the primary runner-up, Ted Cruz. “The Breitbart wing is going to try to impose its will on the party and its brand of Republicanism, which is win at all costs without a guiding philosophy. The establishment is well funded but represents the status quo. The conservatives are underfunded and underrepresented and lack a leader to convince Americans why it’s a winning strategy and philosophy.”
Tyler cited Ryan, Mike Pence, the Indiana governor who is Trump’s running mate, and Tom Cotton, a senator from Arkansas, as potential leaders. But he noted: “Ronald Reagan was not obvious. They emerge. They’re not obvious, so I don’t know who they are. You won’t know who they are until they come forward. As we saw with Winston Churchill, great leaders emerge in times of great turmoil.”
He also struck a rare optimistic note. “It’s an exciting time to be a Republican. With turmoil there’s also opportunity. The party could work on a new brand and a new set of leaders.”
Others, however, saw no future in Trump’s destructive wake. Asked where the Republican party should go from here, Tom Tancredo, a former Republican congressman from Colorado, replied: “To hell. At least I hope so. If they do go south, the demise of the Republican party is the only good thing that can come of it. It has no relevance philosophically and so it deserves to go.”
Tancredo, the head of the Team America political action committee, likened the scenario to the 2004 disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow. “We have to think about the day after the election and what should we do as conservatives. The major problem trying to have a movement take hold in America is a lack of leader. You have to have someone who can articulate their concerns and inspire people.
“I haven’t the foggiest ideas who that may be. I guess they’re yet to be discovered because I can’t name one. I would have said Cruz but he self-destructed plus he’s not charismatic. You need a Reagan.”
For the conservative blogger Erick Erickson, the key is rediscovering the party’s moral compass after many defended the indefensible in Trump. “Most important, the Republican party must recommit to a basic principle – character counts,” he wrote in the New York Times on Friday.
There could be light at the end of the tunnel. Clinton, herself deeply unpopular, will be trying to defy political gravity if she runs for a fourth successive Democratic presidential term in 2020. Republicans could also learn from Democrats in 1992 who, after three losses, reinvented themselves and swept back into power with Bill Clinton.
The Republican pollster Frank Luntz saw another historical parallel. “I am expecting a Republican insurrection similar to what happened to the Democrats after George McGovern lost in 1972,” he said. “Every component of the GOP will be at war with each other. There will be an attempt to unseat Paul Ryan as Sspeaker. You’ll hear ‘I told you so’ from Ted Cruz and John Kasich.
“The House, which will still be controlled by Republicans, will be at war with the Senate – which is truly up for grabs. It will be nasty, ugly and very personal. Far more effort will be spent blaming each other than trying to pull together.”
Still, Luntz said that Republicans would survive just as Democrats did in the 1970s. “They always do.”
But part of the reckoning may have to be a realisation that Trump’s hostile takeover did not occur in a vacuum. Critics have argued that he merely said, in a crude and explicit way, what many rightwing Republicans have been saying for years in code resulting in racially charged anger, obstruction in Congress and cancer in the body politic.
Barack Obama, now at the end of his term, recently articulated the idea to New York Magazine. “I see a straight line from the announcement of Sarah Palin as the vice-presidential nominee [in 2008] to what we see today in Donald Trump, the emergence of the Freedom Caucus, the Tea Party, and the shift in the center of gravity for the Republican party,” he said.
“Whether that changes, I think, will depend in part on the outcome of this election, but it’s also going to depend on the degree of self-reflection inside the Republican party. There have been at least a couple of other times that I’ve said confidently that the fever is going to have to break, but it just seems to get worse.
All very possible. But to be honest I don't think Trump supporters have the same ferver as a terrorist. Then again, it only takes a few nuts and there are too many f'ing weapons floating around this country.
But again, Trump will blow his trumpets all day, but they will not be effective if the powers that be can stop the politics of gridlock and get something done to address the legitimate concerns of the economically dispossessed who are fodder for Trump's rhetoric. If the Rethugs jam the works again, those people grow in numbers.
Will the Rethugs be that stupid and short sighted again?
Look at recent history.
No doubt 99.99% do not but .01% is still a big number.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
"While stitching a cut on the hand of a 75 year old farmer, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Donald Trump and his role as the Republican Nominee for President. The old farmer said, " Well, as I see it, Donald Trump is like a 'Post Tortoise'.'' Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post tortoise' was. The old farmer said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a tortoise balanced on top, that's a post tortoise." The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with."
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I hope they do, I want to see what an RPG will do to their Hoveround!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
Remember when Donald Trump hosted SNL as a Republican candidate?
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkLzSLkYnGc
If you believe the idiot, you'd have to be really impressed by how nefarious, secretive and powerful liberals are. I mean they can cause hurricanes, change the past, pervert entire nations, create gay people and terrorists out of thin air and secretly murder anyone without ever being caught.
She doesn't quit, she doesn't give up. She's a fighter. ~Donald Trump
She has no stamina. ~Donald Trump
He's in way over his comb-over or whatever the fuck that thing living on top of his head is at this point, the flailing is pathetic.
The excuses begin.
US election 2016: Trump says election 'rigged at polling places' - BBC NewsQuote:
US Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has said the election is "absolutely rigged" by the "dishonest media" and "at many polling places".
His comments appear to contradict his running mate Mike Pence, who told NBC earlier Mr Trump would "absolutely" accept the election result, despite media "bias".
Mr Trump's adviser Rudy Giuliani has also accused Democrats of "cheating".
Polls suggest Mr Trump is losing ground in some of the key battleground states.
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton's running mate Tim Kaine has blasted Mr Trump's election-rigging claims as "scare tactics".
Mr Trump has questioned the legitimacy of the election process in a series of tweets, the latest of which said: "The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary - but also at many polling places - SAD".
Earlier, Mr Trump accused the press of inaccurate reporting: "Election is being rigged by the media, in a coordinated effort with the Clinton campaign, by putting stories that never happened into news!"
Tweet saying: The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary - but also at many polling places - SAD
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On Saturday, House speaker Republican Paul Ryan criticised Mr Trump for questioning the validity of the electoral process.
What, like Hillary being on drugs during the debate?Quote:
by putting stories that never happened into news
he is noisy asshole, but he was also fighting another kind of assholeQuote:
Originally Posted by MrG
you don't find monsters like Hillary with teletubbies
he was needed for that purpose, like you need Godzilla to fight sea monsters
At polling places?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo
The analysis found only 10 cases of voter impersonation, the only kind of fraud that could be prevented by voter ID at the polls.
Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud - NBC News
And somehow, contrary to logic, fraud would only be perpetrated by Democrats.
Whereas back in reality.
Local GOP office in North Carolina firebombed - CNNPolitics.com
The rhetoric from the dims has been even more hateful, painting him as an ogre and his supporters as vile. This is a direct result of your hate.
Terrorist groups like blm already exist created by dims cultivating hatred.
Actually I suspect it's more a direct result of Trump inviting racist fucking arseholes into mainstream politics.
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Good find Harry
I doubt make America think again or even thin again will garner much support
And you know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
For calling a spade a spade and a fact a fact. He is an ogre and his supporters are vile. Its just gone to far and damn I hope you know it. People should have the emotion hate toward an ogre like Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
Photo Shopped crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo
More alternate reality lies from our resident sack of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
Definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
And a very bad photo shop at that.