Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

They're focussed on fighting the front end, what they can see, and don't realise that their ideology is out of the box and cannot be shoved back in.

Originally Posted by jabir

They're focussed on fighting the front end, what they can see, and don't realise that their ideology is out of the box and cannot be shoved back in.

The "idea" of the caliphate is ancient and was once a reality (for many hundreds of years). The bringing it back to life by use of force has been the recent problem, but that realisation (attainment) has now been virtually defeated by military force. The idea will live on. We will have to wait and see if others will try to carve out another physical one somewhere.

Fair comment, to rephrase, Islam's goal (with or without the MB) of a permanent and global caliphate has never diminished over the past hundred years, and having become a partial reality it can only be replaced with new names and faces names but never defeated.

My point was brief, that western leaders are either lazy and/or ignorant, by addressing the front end, that bit they can see, which has zero affect on unchanging core beliefs.

Originally Posted by jabir

Fair comment, to rephrase, Islam's goal (with or without the MB) of a permanent and global caliphate has never diminished over the past hundred years, and having become a partial reality it can only be replaced with new names and faces names but never defeated.

The idea never went away, it was just deemed impractical to resurrect it. There are too many barriers these days for a caliphate to succeed as a "state". The biggest barrier is the system of nation states and the strong desire of those states to remain as states and use deadly force to maintain the status quo. An ideological "caliphate" transcending national boundaries faces the problem of who will be suitable to lead it.

Originally Posted by jabir

My point was brief, that western leaders are either lazy and/or ignorant, by addressing the front end, that bit they can see, which has zero affect on unchanging core beliefs.

Which core beliefs do you think they should be adressing that they are not adressing?

Originally Posted by jabir

Why don't you want to say? Are you embarrassed to say that you disagree with or don't like Islam?

Come on, Jabir, as an advanced scholar of the faith you should know how the non-believers are being misled and what the secret core beliefs of the global Jihad are?

Can you think of any one or more strong men who could root out this evil which has descended upon civilisation, is there a final solution to the pest which is spreading across our lands?

Originally Posted by Neverna

There are too many barriers these days for a caliphate to succeed as a "state". The biggest barrier is the system of nation states and the strong desire of those states to remain as states and use deadly force to maintain the status quo. An ideological "caliphate" transcending national boundaries faces the problem of who will be suitable to lead it.

And, yet ..the US have just pulled out of Afghanistan and are in the middle of doing a deal with the Taliban.

Better to just arm the extremists of the major sects and let them turn their ire on each other.

Win-Win.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Which core beliefs do you think they should be adressing that they are not adressing?

Perhaps Jabir thinks you should be addressing your spelling.....

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Perhaps Jabir thinks you should be addressing your spelling.....

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I thought ISIS were ancient news?

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

I thought ISIS were ancient news?

Very ancient.

Here's the orginal.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Why don't you want to say? Are you embarrassed to say that you disagree with or don't like Islam?

Wtf gave you the idea that I disagree or dislike Islam, or any other faith ftm?

Which core beliefs do you think they should be adressing that they are not adressing?

There is nothing secret about Islam's core values, despite what the perpetual Yerman believes, or the fact that they cannot be changed; if you honesty wish to learn you can start here, and let me know when you're ready for more...
https://www.islamreligion.com/articl...lues-of-islam/

TASS that beacon of state truth eh.

Originally Posted by OhOh

That would actually be amusing if the propaganda you kept posting actually qualified as "information".

^How ingenious, that on any situation somebody (please no names here) has got a clue...

I just noticed this. Sorry for the delay.

Originally Posted by jabir

Wtf gave you the idea that I disagree or dislike Islam, or any other faith ftm?

Your posts.

Originally Posted by jabir

There is nothing secret about Islam's core values, despite what the perpetual Yerman believes, or the fact that they cannot be changed; if you honesty wish to learn you can start here, and let me know when you're ready for more...
https://www.islamreligion.com/articl...lues-of-islam/

Did you misunderstand my question or just try to avoid answering it?

Let me rephrase it for you: Which core beliefs do you want to see changed?

Originally Posted by Neverna

...Did you misunderstand my question or just try to avoid answering it?

Let me rephrase it for you: Which core beliefs do you want to see changed?

Posting for the sake of it, are you?

Which core beliefs do you want to see changed?

I thought I posted that they cannot be changed, so wtf are you on about unless you know something the world doesn't?

As I recall you needed guidance on what those core values were just a few posts back, so if you followed my link and are now up to date, perhaps you could give me a starter for ten by suggesting which if any you would like changed, and then how you might accomplish that without a head.

Originally Posted by jabir

Posting for the sake of it, are you?

I thought I posted that they cannot be changed, so wtf are you on about unless you know something the world doesn't?

As I recall you needed guidance on what those core values were just a few posts back, so if you followed my link and are now up to date, perhaps you could give me a starter for ten by suggesting which if any you would like changed, and then how you might accomplish that without a head.

Fuck me. You've gone all Foobar on me.

Originally Posted by jabir

As I recall you needed guidance on what those core values were just a few posts back

No. You're just making shit up.

Let me remind you of what you wrote in your post:

Originally Posted by jabir

western leaders are either lazy and/or ignorant, by addressing the front end, that bit they can see, which has zero affect on unchanging core beliefs.

It seemed to me that you were saying that western leaders were addressing the wrong thing ("the front end, that bit they can see") and that you were therefore suggesting they should be focussing on "unchanging core beliefs".

But if that was not your point, what point were you trying to make?

That hurt, not foobar, anything but that per-lease!

No. You're just making shit up.

What did I 'make up'? - that western leaders are addressing just the bit they can see? or that they do so because that's the easier course? or that they are clueless and ignorant, or worse, that they do realise they do not have the will, the means or the resources to change core beliefs which have not changed in 1400 years?

But none of the above should apply, since you kicked off your current effort by confessing ignorance of those very core beliefs. So either you knew or you didn't. If you did know, why fcuk around instead of manning up to directly challenge my statement? And if you didn't know at that time, then I have given you a fine link to brush up.

It seemed to me that you were saying that western leaders were addressing the wrong thing ("the front end, that bit they can see") and that you were therefore suggesting they should be focussing on "unchanging core beliefs".

What do you mean 'therefore I am suggesting'? I suggested nothing of the sort. I made an observation, based on my opinion that any genuine and concerted rather than frivolous politically motivated effort to rid the world of the IS would begin in a back room - not in the field - by understanding what it represents, how it came to be, and why the "core beliefs" of the ideology may allow it to be defeated in the field with a long, long way to defeat, or change, or even scratch the underlying ideology.

Originally Posted by jabir

What did I 'make up'?

That I "needed guidance on what those core values were"

Originally Posted by jabir

you kicked off your current effort by confessing ignorance of those very core beliefs.

And there you go again, foobar.

Quote me where you interpreted me saying that.