The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[DrWilly]

I don't think you have any grip whatsoever

He doesn't. None whatsoever!

[beachbound]

Well in states like Texas both are perfectly legal, so yeah. I think you need to be 18 to buy a drink in Texas though, but there's no minimum age limit on rifle ownership there.

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The drinking age in Texas, just like the rest of United States is 21. To buy a rifle in Texas you have to be 18.

[Headworx]

^To buy a rifle you need to be 18, to own one someone gave you 2 days old will suffice. There's no age limit on longarm ownership with the get-around below.

[Norton]

A different mental attitude towards guns is required before legislation can be introduced to limit ownership and use. This has to be carried out through the usual mass media channels. Big money is required to push the required coverage. Licence on a per firearm basis based on calibre and purpose would bring in the needed cash

As long as the gun lobby has influence on elections throughout the country nothing will change. For change to happen a huge ground swell of anti-gun sentiment is needed to dump politicians who think guns and killing kids is a wonderful "right".

Make this happen and laws throughout the land, including constitutional amendments, will change to what essentially is a near total ban on gun ownership.

As with past significant changes this will come from the young. You want to influence the young, do it with a sustained appeal via the entertainment industry that the young are drawn to.

Something like the Live Aid concert held in 1985 only with a different purpose. Save our Children sort of thing. Concerts and other celebrity endorsed activities will generate the cash needed to outspend and get rid of the fuckwit politicians who are funded by the gun lobby.

No idea who the current equivalents to Queen and Bob Geldof are today but whoever you are get your asses in gear and like Live Aid the money will pour in from folks like me who sent $100 of my hard earned cash. I close, as I often do, with a vid. Enjoy and Stop the Killing!

[bsnub]

I don't think you have any grip whatsoever on the gun culture there, people who've owned and carried their whole lives are not going to suddenly stop doing so regardless of laws, not that any laws like banning assault rifles will ever be brought into existence.

Not mention that in most jurisdictions local law enforcement would not comply either. So there is that too.

[S Landreth]

I don't think you have any grip whatsoever on the gun culture there, people who've owned and carried their whole lives are not going to suddenly stop doing so regardless of laws, not that any laws like banning assault rifles will ever be brought into existence.

Wrong.

Connecticut has an assault weapon ban that has been law for almost 10 years.

[Headworx]

^OK I can see there's a few states in the same category.


Nothing a bump-stock won't sort out though which turn perfectly legal semi-autos into machine guns anyway, not that semi's are incapable of firing a few rounds every second or as quick as the trigger can be pulled. Not hard to get a few rounds per second out of most handguns either so if things are going to get serious, they'd all need to be banned too.

We can post all we want but the bottom line is people know that if there was ever some sort of disarmament laws passed on rapid-fire guns, the bad guys would never hand theirs in. That scenario alone is one of the biggest reasons changes aren't coming.

[cyrille]

I see the 'must have' item for a US school kid is a bullet proof backpack.

[Seekingasylum]

The fundamental problem is that Americans in most reactionary states who habitually support Republicans make lumpen Russians who swallow Putin rhetoric unquestioningly look rational, informed and sensible.

I suppose it is a small mercy that to most of these septic folk Russians are all still commie fuckers no better than nigras, spics, wops and greasers.

It also probably explains why so many Septics find it so easy to assimilate into Thai society given they share the same cognitive disabilities most Thai manifest.

[Headworx]

^Oh great, sausages has found another thread where he can inform us of just how much he hates Thai's while being eternally trapped in their Kingdom. Have you ever spent much time in America to be aware of what really goes on there that might be pertinent to this thread? I assume you dollar-a-dozen civil servants got to travel internationally often to discuss the hazards of such matters as triplicate filing and paper cuts with jobsworths masquerading as people with actual functions in other countries too?

The Brexit thread is that way ==>, why not fuck off back to it and get your whine on there you worthless old heap of shit.

[aging one]

I suppose it is a small mercy that to most of these septic folk Russians are all still commie fuckers no better than nigras, spics, wops and greasers.

It also probably explains why so many Septics find it so easy to assimilate into Thai society given they share the same cognitive disabilities most Thai manifest.

You make rednecks seem like good folk. Racist bigot.

[nidhogg]

Given that Texas moved to permitless open carry, I honestly think that things will get worse before they get better.

One thing that might get things moving is when the black population get fully onboard, and realize these laws apply to them as well.

[cyrille]

Given that Texas moved to permitless open carry, I honestly think that things will get worse before they get better.

One thing that might get things moving is when the black population get fully onboard, and realize these laws apply to them as well.

Surely it's clear to anyone by now that in practice they don't.

[Troy]

Yeah that's a bad comparison. Smoking kills but their train of thought is guns save lives.

I don't think it is a bad comparison, after all smoking was promoted as healthy back in the 1930's...





etc. ...

It took many years of fighting against the tobacco companies before cigarettes were shown to be dangerous. People still smoke today, they are not outlawed but there is no large scale advertising and they have been made harder to obtain.

I like Norton's idea with an equivalent 'Live Aid' sweeping through America and getting massive publicity.

It make take a 100 years but you need to start somewhere.

[Shutree]

It make take a 100 years but you need to start somewhere.

This is an important point. This shouldn't simply be filed under 'too hard'. I still find it hard to believe that in a democracy there is a majority who think the slaughter of children is somehow better than the alternative. There again, I am not American.

[DrWilly]

This is an important point. This shouldn't simply be filed under 'too hard'. I still find it hard to believe that in a democracy there is a majority who think the slaughter of children is somehow better than the alternative. There again, I am not American.

Nobody, literally nobody thinks this. You’re not going to understand anyone if you claim they think slaughtering kids is ok.

[Shutree]

Nobody, literally nobody thinks this. You’re not going to understand anyone if you claim they think slaughtering kids is ok.

It's a binary choice. If they continue with guns for all then they'll continue to see children slaughtered. It is tragic but other countries don't all suffer the same tragedies.

[DrWilly]

Again, you can think that. But it’s not to engage with anyone. If movement is to be made on the gun issue in the states, and obviously it won’t be by a random poster from Teakdoor, then understanding of each position needs to come first. Not demonization of the other side.

No gun owner wants kids to die. But they do disagree on how to solve the problem.

[DrWilly]

but other countries don't all suffer the same tragedies.

No other country is quite like America

[harrybarracuda]

This is an important point. This shouldn't simply be filed under 'too hard'. I still find it hard to believe that in a democracy there is a majority who think the slaughter of children is somehow better than the alternative. There again, I am not American.

Much like the god botherers do with abortion, the gun nuts/NRA have disproportionate influence over politicians.

The Pew polling found that significant majorities of Americans support background checks (81 percent), an assault-weapons ban (63 percent), and a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines (64 percent); a majority also opposes concealed carry of weapons without a permit. Majorities of Republicans who don’t own guns shared those opinions, as did Democratic gun owners, by even more lopsided margins. Even most Republicans who do own guns said in the polling that they support background checks and oppose permitless concealed carry (which more red states, including Texas, are authorizing). Despite all of this, Republican elected officials, in their near-lockstep opposition to gun control, have bent to groups like the NRA in equating almost any restrictions as a sign of disrespect to the values of red America.

The Real Reason America Doesn’t Have Gun Control - The Atlantic

[Seekingasylum]

^Oh great, sausages has found another thread where he can inform us of just how much he hates Thai's while being eternally trapped in their Kingdom. Have you ever spent much time in America to be aware of what really goes on there that might be pertinent to this thread? I assume you dollar-a-dozen civil servants got to travel internationally often to discuss the hazards of such matters as triplicate filing and paper cuts with jobsworths masquerading as people with actual functions in other countries too?

The Brexit thread is that way ==>, why not fuck off back to it and get your whine on there you worthless old heap of shit.

Gosh, Headfuck, you really are smarting from my nailing you so accurately as the lower end drag up you so patently are.

Still, that's no excuse for posting utter twaddle totally irrelevant to the thread under current debate. If you cannot say something germane to the topic, why not find something else to do, like perusing your collection of old boarding passes when you flew business class or re-organising your photo library of beer bar hostesses.

Har, har.

[Seekingasylum]

You make rednecks seem like good folk. Racist bigot.

Well, if you are saying my antipathy towards the profoundly stupid is tantamount to 'racist bigotry' then, yes, I suppose I am a racist bigot in your understanding of the term .

But then, I'm not a frazzled old septic loon.

Why drag the thread down, you silly old codger. The theme currently under debate is why are Americans so lethally stupid and reckless with their lives and particularly those of their children.

The analogy between you septic chaps and the Thai is quite apposite given the number of deaths occasioned by Thai society through irrational and incoherent governance, a casualty rate broadly similar to that prevailing in the US.

[Headworx]

Gosh, Headfuck, you really are smarting from my nailing you so accurately as the lower end drag up you so patently are.

Fuck off you underclass whining pleb.

[bsnub]

[Headworx]

^It's only sausages being a retard as usual. What I can't understand is a local security guard told him to fuck off and he dutifully complied so he knows his station in life, yet when people here of a higher class than him (which is everyone who wasn't a public fucking servant) tell him to fuck off he won't. Quite odd that