The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[AntRobertson]

No, no it's gotta be incarceration for life that nobody other than him as mentioned to this point or his whole argument falls on its head.

[Slick]

Also not an accident.

Ok then, just arrest him for murder. Incarcerate for life.

You really aren't very good at this debating stuff, are you?

How about Negligent Homicide?

The first element that a state must prove in a negligent homicide case is that the defendant was aware of an unjustifiable risk associated with the events that led to the death of another person. For example, if the victim and the defendant were playing with a gun, and the victim was shot but the defendant refused to call for medical help, the defendant could be charged with negligent homicide because most people know the risks associated with a gunshot wound. When the defendant refused to seek medical attention, he disregarded an unjustifiable risk, which was the possible death of his friend.

From your link.

[Slick]

No, no it's gotta be incarceration for life that nobody other than him as mentioned to this point or his whole argument falls on its head.

Why any charges at all? What the fuck are you trying punish in this scenario?

[AntRobertson]

Why any charges at all?

Because he was playing with a gun and he shot and killed someone. It was stupid and, very clearly, reckless. That's why.

If you follow your argument to its 'logical' conclusion then why any charges for someone who kills someone else by - for e.g. - speeding.

[Slick]

Because he was playing with a gun and he shot and killed someone. It was stupid and, very clearly, reckless. That's why.

Apparently the DA disagrees. The family may push for something, but right now it looks like you're SOL.

The youngblood having to live with whats happened is going to have to be enough for you at this point.

[AntRobertson]

Apparently the DA disagrees

I guess we'll see.

Every chance the DA is somewhat inured to this sort of stuff.

Could be currently swamped with however many intentional shootings under their jurisdiction in Yee-haa-Gunsville, USA. this week.

going to have to be enough for you

Odd. You appear to keep mistaking me for the US justice system.

[Cold Pizza]

Ok then, just arrest him for murder. Incarcerate for life.

Oh hello non-sequitur, how are you?

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

[Slick]

Every chance the DA is somewhat inured to this sort of stuff.

You think this is how it works?

[harrybarracuda]

Ok then, just arrest him for murder. Incarcerate for life.

Oh hello non-sequitur, how are you?

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

Aw diddums.




Anyway, judging by the reds most people would rather he stayed and you fucked off.

[AntRobertson]

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

Hi Cold Pizza.

Could you go and play with a gun.

Please and thank you.

You think this is how it works?

Dunno, case-load/management is definitely a factor though and it's not exactly a stretch to suggest in a nation where shootings are so common-place that it's a factor.

[Slick]

Dunno

They why open your mouth and puke up that nonsense?

[AntRobertson]

They why open your mouth and puke up that nonsense?

Oh I'm sorry.

From that comment I assume that either:

a) you're a DA yourself and therefore have inside info/knowledge on the process; or

b) are you one of those people that doesn't believe in freedom of speech and/or anything that's not in accordance with your own opinions.

[Cold Pizza]

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

Hi Cold Pizza.

Could you go and play with a gun.

Please and thank you.

You think this is how it works?

Dunno, case-load/management is definitely a factor though and it's not exactly a stretch to suggest in a nation where shootings are so common-place that it's a factor.

You're a liar.

And, a loser.

[birding]

Also not an accident.

Ok then, just arrest him for murder. Incarcerate for life.

You are getting a bit carried away there.

The gun was obviously loaded and should not have been while he was handling, cleaning playing with it whatever.

It is or should be the responsibility of those handling weapons to ensure they do it safely. Playing with a loaded gun in the circumstances described in the OP is acting in a dangerous manner.

In some countries, Canada, NZ there are laws against careless use of a firearm and in these countries this young fella would be prosecuted and he should be for what ensued was not just careless or dangerous but fatal.

If no charges are laid against him it sends a message that it is all right to ignore firearm safety for if you shoot someone accidentally there will be no repercussions.

He should be charged with what ever is appropriate in US law and at the very least be ordered to attend a firearm safety course and preferably banned from owning a firearm.

[Slick]

In some countries, Canada, NZ

Stopped reading right there. This is about the US and I have zero desire to debate how you guys do things.

Ive done this debate about a billion times and I honestly don't care how you guys do it, and most Americans don't either.

He should be charged with what ever is appropriate in US law

We don't just 'ignore' laws when we don't like them.

[crackerjack101]

Florida shooting: 'Multiple fatalities' in Orlando


Florida shooting: 'Multiple fatalities' in Orlando - BBC News



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40162989

[AntRobertson]

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

Hi Cold Pizza.

Could you go and play with a gun.

Please and thank you.

You think this is how it works?

Dunno, case-load/management is definitely a factor though and it's not exactly a stretch to suggest in a nation where shootings are so common-place that it's a factor.

You're a liar.

And, a loser.

If you don't have one can you borrow a gun from someone else and then go outside and play with it?

[Slick]

Gunman in fatal Pollo Tropical shooting fired in self-defense, say police

Primus and a co-worker entered Pollo Tropical on their lunch break. Primus did not sit with his co-worker, who sat near the window to watch the tools in their work truck,” Engle said.

After Primus and Lindo got into an argument, Primus and his co-worker, both employed by Davie-based Jorgensen Contract Services, left the restaurant and sat in their truck in the parking lot, police said.

“Lindo remained inside the restaurant for a short period of time and then walked outside toward his vehicle,” Engle said.

When Primus saw Lindo, he got out of the truck, confronted Lindo and the two men tussled, Engle said. During that fight, Lindo pulled a handgun and fired several rounds, police said.

Primus was struck once, police said.

After Primus was shot, he managed to get back into the truck and his co-worker drove to a nearby Chevron gas station. There Primus’ co-worker, who has not been identified by police, yelled for help.

Primus was bleeding profusely as he lay slumped in the passenger’s seat, according to gas station attendant Simo Boukhar.

Engle said he was heading to the scene at the restaurant when he was flagged down by customers at the gas station.

Not knowing exactly what was happening, Engle said he drew his weapon out as he got out of his car at the Chevron station. But he quickly holstered his gun when he saw Primus face down and bleeding in the truck’s passenger seat, he said.

“A woman was attempting to render him aide,” said Engle. “I yelled for others to give me a hand. He was a big man.”

Engle, with the help of the woman and other bystanders, got Primus out of the truck and on the ground where they put him on his back, covered a bleeding chest wound with a piece of plastic and applied pressure.

Gunman in fatal Pollo Tropical shooting fired in self-defense, say police - Sun Sentinel

[Slick]

Police say woman fired in self-defense

COBB COUNTY, Ga. - Police said a woman shot and killed a man in self-defense when after investigators said he tried to force his way into her Cobb County apartment.

It happened just before 3 a.m. Friday at the Liberty Point Apartments on Franklin Gateway Road. Witnesses told police that right before the shooting the man was kicked and kicked the door in threatening everyone inside the apartment.

Marietta Police said a party turned deadly when a woman asked a man and two women to leave. They did, but police said the man came back and insisted on getting in and even threatened everyone inside the home. Police said the man acted like he had a gun.

Police say woman fired in self-defense - Story | WAGA

[harrybarracuda]

The troll is back.

And he's also a LIAR.

You broke your word on the bet.


LIAR.

Hi Cold Pizza.

Could you go and play with a gun.

Please and thank you.

You think this is how it works?

Dunno, case-load/management is definitely a factor though and it's not exactly a stretch to suggest in a nation where shootings are so common-place that it's a factor.

You're a liar.

And, a loser.

You're a wanker and no-one likes you, as your rep demonstrates.

Have you never heard the maxim "People who live in glass houses should fuck off"?

[pickel]

What if it said he was "handling" the gun or "cleaning" instead of the buzzword "playing"? It was an accident ffs.

Look you little cumSlick. I'm pro gun, and the first rule is "Never point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at another person, unless you intend to shoot them."

This wasn't an accident. It was an act of stupidity that cost someone their life. There should be consequences for that.

If all gun owners in the States are as dumb as you, it's no wonder so many of you shoot each other.

[Norton]

an act of stupidity that cost someone their life

Involuntary manslaughter is about the only successful prosecution of dumb fucks.

[Slick]

If all gun owners in the States are as dumb as you, it's no wonder so many of you shoot each other.

You sure are triggered bro, but I didnt make the laws and Im not a DA so no matter how you personally feel about it, it is what it is.

Im happy that as of now, he isn't going to be charged with a crime. If the DA decides he committed a crime, then hell be charged.

Personally don't see how charging the guy with manslaughter is going to help anything other than making you guys feel good.

Involuntary manslaughter

Even that would be a reach in this scenario.

[Storekeeper]

Horrifying Video Shows Cops Do Nothing As Man They Shot Dies an Agonizing Death

[birding]

In some countries, Canada, NZ

Stopped reading right there. This is about the US and I have zero desire to debate how you guys do things.

Ive done this debate about a billion times and I honestly don't care how you guys do it, and most Americans don't either.

He should be charged with what ever is appropriate in US law

We don't just 'ignore' laws when we don't like them.

You obviously did not stop reading or you would not have been able to insert the second quote.

There is a law in the USA that covers this instance it is called Manslaughter.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1112

If the DA is not going to use it then he, or she, is ignoring the law.

It is not up to a DA to determine guilt or otherwise that is the job of the courts.

As has been said, if this is let go where do you stop. Someone is killed in an accident on the road or anywhere else through a persons negligence, lets forget it they didnt mean to do it.

Yes that young fella was negligent, criminally negligent in fact be not ensuring the gun was safe before playing with it.