The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[wasabi]

Deadliest year in two decades: Chicago records 500 homicides in nine months

CHICAGO, the third largest city in the United States, recorded its 500th homicide of the year over the Labor Day weekend, making 2016 already the city’s deadliest year in two decades.

A total of 13 people were killed over the course of the long weekend and at least 52 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago, according to police, making the Labor Day weekend the deadliest of the three US holiday weekends this summer.
This year’s Memorial Day weekend saw 69 shot, six of them fatally, and the Fourth of July weekend recorded 66 shot, five of them fatal.
Among those shot over the weekend was a woman who was nine months pregnant.
Crystal Myers, 23, was wounded in the stomach on the same block where someone had been killed less than 20 hours earlier, theChicago Tribune reports. Ms Myers gave birth Tuesday morning, both she and her baby are in a stable condition.
The latest fatal shooting occurred about 10.45pm on Monday when someone in a mini-van opened fire on a group of teens and young men, police said.
Two 22-year-old men were killed in the incident. Three others, aged 16, 17, and 20, were seriously wounded. Authorities said one of the men killed was a documented gang member.
The city’s grim toll comes after police recorded 92 murders in August, the deadliest month for Chicago since June 1996.
“It’s not a police issue, it’s a society issue,” Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson told reporters outside police headquarters on Tuesday, saying his department is doing everything it can to control the violence.


Chicago?s 500 homicides: 13 people killed over Labor Day weekend

Isn't it a Black problem?
The article doesn't mention blacks, is that because they are the problem.

[Cujo]

Isn't it a Black problem?
The article doesn't mention blacks, is that because they are the problem.

Not PC to mention the race of people old chap. Not on you see.

[AntRobertson]

Yeah, because gun violence and control issues in the US are an exclusively black issue/problem (as opposed to, oh say, a poverty, marginalization, and societal issue).

Funny though innit, the one time the NRA and aligned politicians backed-down on their own anti-control efforts and went the complete opposite way was when some blacks decided to arm themselves.

[Cujo]

Yeah, because gun violence and control issues in the US are an exclusively black issue/problem (as opposed to, oh say, a poverty, marginalization, and societal issue).

Funny though innit, the one time the NRA and aligned politicians backed-down on their own anti-control efforts and went the complete opposite way was when some blacks decided to arm themselves.

In those open carry states I'd like to see more blacks open carryin'.
There are some good youtube clips where a white guy legally garrys an AR15 down the street then a black guy does the same.
I was quite surprised at the different reaction from the cops when they turned up.

[bobo746]

[Troy]

A boy aged 13 has been shot dead by police in the US state of Ohio after allegedly pulling a BB gun from his waistband while being arrested.

Officers were responding to a report of an armed robbery in Columbus when they spotted three male suspects matching the descriptions given by the victim.
Two then ran off and were followed by police to an alley.


There, police say, Tyree King pulled out the gun and was shot multiple times by an officer.
Police later established that the boy had actually been carrying a BB gun - a type of air gun that is designed to shoot pellets - with an attached laser sight.

The victim of the robbery told officers the group had approached him and demanded money. One of them reportedly had a gun. After the shooting, Tyree King was taken to a children's hospital, where he later died.
The other suspect found with him in the alley was questioned and released pending further investigation.
More suspects are being pursued, police say.
Ohio police officer shoots dead boy 'who drew BB gun' - BBC News

Darwin Award contender or a wannabe Trump supporter...

[JayZee]

I recently walked the mean streets of Chicago - actually arrived at midnight, hungry, and had a few beers and a pizza at 1am in a neighbourhood bar/restaurant after being directed there by a local resident of colour. Another three nights followed. I am writing this having recovered from not being shot.

[birding]

A boy aged 13 has been shot dead by police in the US state of Ohio after allegedly pulling a BB gun from his waistband while being arrested.

Officers were responding to a report of an armed robbery in Columbus when they spotted three male suspects matching the descriptions given by the victim.
Two then ran off and were followed by police to an alley.


There, police say, Tyree King pulled out the gun and was shot multiple times by an officer.
Police later established that the boy had actually been carrying a BB gun - a type of air gun that is designed to shoot pellets - with an attached laser sight.

The victim of the robbery told officers the group had approached him and demanded money. One of them reportedly had a gun. After the shooting, Tyree King was taken to a children's hospital, where he later died.
The other suspect found with him in the alley was questioned and released pending further investigation.
More suspects are being pursued, police say.
Ohio police officer shoots dead boy 'who drew BB gun' - BBC News

Darwin Award contender or a wannabe Trump supporter...

I see the PC media are calling him a child. If he is old enough to rob shops with a firearm that looks like the real thing then he deserves to be called an armed robber, but then the victim is black and black lives matter.
If he had been white there is a distinct probability he would have been called an armed robber, if it had made the media at all.

[AntRobertson]

Bullshit.

[birding]

Bullshit.

Please explain what you see as incorrect.

[AntRobertson]

What you posted, it's bullshit. Long on baseless opinion, devoid of actual facts.

Does it need more explaining than that?

[jamescollister]

What you posted, it's bullshit. Long on baseless opinion, devoid of actual facts.

Does it need more explaining than that?

Well tell us unenlightened ones, Japaneses, Koreans and Vietnamese, not too popular after wars, but they aren't killing each other.
White cops aren't shooting them, or is it blacks hate blacks and cops get caught in between their violence.

If black lives matter, then the black community should sort their own shit out, it's been a long time since slavery, yet they still act like Africans.

Killing by tribe may have changed, now it's colors, red or blue, street gangs, not the white mans problem.

[AntRobertson]

[AntRobertson]

Meet Jim. Jim feels it necessary to carry his AR-15 with him to Walmart to buy soda. Jim is an angry white man who feels disenfranchised and powerless.

Jim supports Donald Trump. Jim is a bit of a nutter and a potential powderkeg ready to explode:



The Big Read: In some parts of open-carry America, even a trip to Walmart can require an AR-15 - World - NZ Herald News

[birding]

What you posted, it's bullshit. Long on baseless opinion, devoid of actual facts.

Does it need more explaining than that?

So that is your baseless opinion. Right some facts.

There had been an armed robbery, from the OP :

Officers were responding to a report of an armed robbery

If you had bothered to look up the link you would have seen photos that clearly showed his race, he was black.

Murder of Jeff Hall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12 year old boy and three others charged with murder of man in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

13-year-old accused of murder in Cumberland shooting will stay in juvenile court | Fox 59

If 10, 12 and 13 year old's can be charged with murder I see no reason why a 13 year old who has just held up a shop with a gun , real or fake, can not be held responsible for pulling that gun on a cop who has no way of knowing if it is real.

[AntRobertson]

That there was a robbery and that he was black hasn't been disputed by anyone has it.

Do you have some facts to back-up your claim that the 'PC media' called him a child for any other reason than the fact that he was, you know, an actual child or that had he been white that same 'PC media' would have referred to him as "an armed robber" as opposed to a child or that, seemingly incongruously, not even bothered reporting on it at all.

Because that's what you posted. And it's bullshit.

[cyrille]

[birding]

That there was a robbery and that he was black hasn't been disputed by anyone has it.

Do you have some facts to back-up your claim that the 'PC media' called him a child for any other reason than the fact that he was, you know, an actual child or that had he been white that same 'PC media' would have referred to him as "an armed robber" as opposed to a child or that, seemingly incongruously, not even bothered reporting on it at all.

Because that's what you posted. And it's bullshit.

You were the one who disputed that he was black by saying my post was bullshit.

It is normal when kids get to be 13 they are called teenagers that is they have arrived into their teens and are no longer children. In this instance media calling him a child is an attempt to make him appear younger than he was.

You may not have noticed but when the police in the US shoot someone who is black it gets a lot of press but when they shoot someone that is white very little is reported. With that in mind I wrote "distinct probability" which is different to what you have twisted it into.

Over and out.

[AntRobertson]

You were the one who disputed that he was black by saying my post was bullshit.

Yeah nah, I didn't. That too is bullshit.

[cyrille]

You may not have noticed but when the police in the US shoot someone who is black it gets a lot of press but when they shoot someone that is white very little is reported.

Well that perceived anomaly might be because of a general misconception about the percentage of african americans in the US.

It's likely that the same people who view the focus on african americans getting shot by the police as being disproportional also have an inaccurate view of just what percentage of the population is african american. Either that or they just don't care.

In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday (ie Sunday July 10, 2016) 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b99f21c3656e


It's argued that this may be because African Americans are more disposed towards criminality of course, but that seems to be another argument. To suggest that media focus on one racial group being 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than another is because of some sort of media agenda seems...odd.

Is this somehow not news?

[Davis Knowlton]

Tulsa Oklahoma white, female cop shoots unarmed black male motorist after he mumbled in response to her commands and reached 'into' the car - cam footage showed window was rolled up. Feared for her life. No weapons were found in the car or on the deceased.

She has been indicted for first degree manslaughter.

[AntRobertson]

Police in the U.S. have shot and killed around 706 people already this year. They are on track to beat last years record of 990, could even crack the 1,000 mark with ease at this rate.

There are a few other records they could, *ahem*, gun for as well.

The youngest person shot and killed so far was a 12-year-old during an eviction - that one shouldn't be too hard, there must be a few menacing 11-year-olds out there.

[Seekingasylum]

I rather think the septics should be forced to implement a law whereby black drivers cannot be compelled to leave a vehicle unless a lawyer is present and the driver is fitted with a bullet-proof vest and helmet.

If I were black and was approached threateningly by a white police officer I would unhesitatingly shoot that person dead on the quite reasonable grounds that I feared for my life in the full knowledge the little fucker would have shot me.

No arguments now, white police officers are a fucking dangerous disgrace.

[Mr Earl]

No arguments now, white police officers are a fucking dangerous disgrace.

The true disgrace are the draconian and racist drug laws which disprotionately affect the poor and minorities.
Every politicaly expedient, war on drugs crackdown has led to the militarized police we see now.

Ya cant really blame the police for enforcing some really fucked up lawmaking.
Our lawmakers and political leaders are the fucking disgrace.

And then ya can't really blame the politicians for being bought by greedy money hungry corporate culture.

[Davis Knowlton]

^^ and ^^^. Actually my point was nothing to do with yet another unarmed Negro being gunned down. It was an expression of disbelief that, this time, the cop is being held accountable.


Not to say she won't get off in the end, but at least she was indicted for her crime.