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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    The USA has 45,000 firearms casualties per year on home soil.

    To put that into context the USA lost 4,400 in Iraq: 2,300 in Afghanistan:52,000 in Vietnam, and 290,000 in WWII.

    WWII losses every 6-7 years or a Vietnam every 15 months, an Iraq every 3 months, or an Afghanistan (a 20 year war) per month.

    Between 1964 and 2012 1.4 million died as a result of gun violence.

    They are at war, with themselves.
    It's shocking how easy it is to buy politicians in America.

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    As will be illlustrated when this comes to a vote.

    Republicans are scum.

    The US House of Representatives passed a sweeping gun control bill in response to the recent mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas, that would raise the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic rifles and ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.

    The bill, which was passed mostly along party lines, has almost no chance of becoming law as politicians in Congress's upper chamber continue discussions on more modest proposals. But the House vote will give Democrats a chance to show US voters where they stand on gun control policies.

    “We can’t save every life, but my God, shouldn’t we try?” asked Veronica Escobar, a Democratic representative from Texas.


    “America, we hear you and today in the House, we are taking the action you are demanding.

    “Take note of who is with you and who is not.”

    Wednesday night's vote came after members of Congress heard gut-wrenching testimony from the shooting victims and family members, including 11-year-old Miah Cerrillo, who described the horrific scenes of a teenage gunman murdering her teacher and classmates at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

    “He [The gunman] told my teacher 'goodnight' and shot her in the head,” Miah told a House panel in pre-recorded statement.

    “And then he shot some of my classmates and the white board.”

    Previous efforts by Congress to pass meaningful gun legislation have failed in the past, but the recent killing of 19 children and two teachers at the Texas primary school has prompted renewed efforts from both parties to act.

    “It’s sickening, it’s sickening that our children are forced to live in this constant fear,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    The House bill also includes provisions for increased gun storage devices and creates penalties for those who breach safe storage requirements. It also bans “bump stock” devices and “ghost guns” that can be assembled without serial numbers.

    Ms Pelosi said the House vote would “make history by making progress”. But it’s unclear where the House measure will go after Wednesday’s vote, given that Republicans were adamant in their opposition.

    In the Senate, a bipartisan group of senators are seeking to strike a deal on gun legislation that would strengthen school security, improve mental health resources and enact “red flag” laws to keep firearms away from people who could harm themselves or others.

    Chris Murphy, the US senator leading Democratic efforts in negotiations, said his aim was to pass the legislation before the Senate's July 4 recess.

    “We need to move expeditiously. But this would be a big, historic deal and we need to get it right. That's my priority,” Mr Murphy said.


    The bill would need the support of at least 10 Republicans to pass in the divided Senate and become law.

    Members of Congress, including House Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican leader Mitch McConnell, have signalled that they could reach an agreement by week's end.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/worl...lde-shootings/

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    So Matthew McConaughey has been speaking about the need for gun control, and Breitbart decided he's a hypocrite because he's used guns in movies.

    Cue Wonder Woman...

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    Baby jebus save us!

    A pensioner shot dead three guests at a church potluck dinner in a wealthy suburb of Alabama.
    Police said the 71-year-old man, who had previously attended services at the St Stephen's Episcopal Church, pulled out a handgun at the event and killed three elderly participants, one of whom died in his wife's arms.


    Another guest managed to restrain him until police arrived and arrested him.
    The shooting, in the affluent town of Vestavia Hills outside Birmingham, has been described as "baffling" by the community known for its family-centred lifestyle.
    Two of the victims were 84, and the third was 75.

    Alabama shooting: 71-year-old kills three pensioners at church potluck dinner | US News | Sky News

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    ^ Looking at the link in the article...

    There have been 730 gun deaths in the two weeks since Uvalde
    That's insane...Wacko America...We Are Constantly Killing Ourselves.

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    The Robb Elementary School, where 19 students and two teachers were gunned down, is to be demolished.
    High school dropout Salvador Ramos, went on a murderous rampage at the school in Uvalde in south western Texas last month.


    And so devastated is the small close-knit community by the tragedy that the decision has now been taken to close the school and destroy it.
    At a City of Uvalde council news conference, in response to a question, one of the board has confirmed the demolition.
    The news come just hours after it was revealed there were enough armed police to stop Ramos three minutes after he entered the school.
    Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, called the response an "abject failure" with "terrible decisions" made by the on-site commander.
    He reiterated his previous assertion that as many as 19 officers had waited over an hour in a corridor outside classrooms before a special Border Force team entered and killed the gunman.


    Nineteen children in grade four - aged 11 and 12 - and two teachers were killed in the 24 May attack.
    Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, was torn down after a gunman's rampage in December 2012 led to the death of 26 people - 20 children between six and seven years old, and six adult staff members.

    Texas shooting: School where 19 pupils and two teachers were shot dead is to be demolished | US News | Sky News
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    Again . . . this is where they need to change:



    Polishing their Rambo image while being too afraid to engage, instead tasering frightened parents who want to run and help their children - may they rot in hell.

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    I can hardly watch this. It makes me so f'ing angry.
    But please, watch it through.


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    Cowering in the hallway while innocent children are being murdered on the other side of the door.

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    Bad news for most Americans




    A New York law that requires people applying to get a license to carry a concealed weapon to show that they have "proper cause" to carry a gun violates the Constitution, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

    Driving the news: The majority opinion, written by Justice Clarence Thomas, says that it is a constitutional right to carry a weapon in public for self-defense purposes.

    Details: The New York law prevents "law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right to keep and bear arms in public," Thomas wrote in the 6-3 ruling.


    • The ruling will have major implications for gun control laws across the country as the U.S. also struggles with an epidemic of gun violence.
    • Thomas concluded that there are no "historical limitations on the right to bear arms" because no limitations have ever been sent to stop a person from carrying a gun in public if they do so for self-defense.
    • "We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. ... [I]t is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense."
    • The court's three liberal justices — Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonya Sotomayor — dissented.


    Breyer started his dissent by writing that "[i]n 2020, 45,222 Americans were killed by firearms," and then


    • "Many states have tried to address some of the dangers of gun violence just described by passing laws that limit, in various ways, who may purchase, carry, or use firearms of different kinds. The Court today severely burdens States' efforts to do so," Breyer wrote, adding that the decision "rests upon several serious mistakes."
    • Breyer called the New York law "a reasonable licensing law to regulate the concealed carriage of handguns in order to keep the people of New York safe."
    • Breyer said that the court is not taking into account "important considerations" from a state that is interested in "protecting the safety of its citizens," adding that the majority opinion will have "potentially deadly consequences."


    Between the lines: In a concurring opinion with Thomas, Justice Alito questioned Breyer's dissent, saying that the New York law, a gun control legislation, "obviously did not stop" the man who conducted the mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 people dead.


    • Alito specifically attempts to dismiss Breyer's introduction to his dissent, in which he calls attention to how gun violence has increased in the U.S.
    • "Does the dissent think that laws like New York's prevent or deter such atrocities?" Alito wrote, referring to the mass shootings that Breyer writes about.


    Catch up fast: In New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, the plaintiffs were two men whose applications were denied because a licensing officer said they failed to show "proper cause" to carry a firearm in public for self-defense reasons.

    What we're watching: Other states like California, Maryland, and New Jersey have similar laws to the one that the Supreme Court just struck down.


    • The court's opinion could set a precedent to go after those laws.


    Don't forget: 25 states "generally allow people to carry concealed weapons in most public spaces without any permit, background check, or safety training at all," according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
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    No surprise here. Until the 2nd amendment is dumped giving the states complete authority to establish their gun laws, the so called non political Supreme court, will be just an arm of the gun lobby.

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    ^ you'd like to imagine the groundswell of support for amendment to gun laws would be a force for general change in Mercan politics but i fear money will talk as it always has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    ^ you'd like to imagine the groundswell of support for amendment to gun laws would be a force for general change in Mercan politics but i fear money will talk as it always has.
    The piddly amount donated by the NRA is nothing, money in this case isn't the issue. It's this bizarre belief that a misrepresented wording trumps all and if it doesn't then the American way of life is threatened . . .

    Read this antiquated shit


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The piddly amount donated by the NRA is nothing, money in this case isn't the issue. It's this bizarre belief that a misrepresented wording trumps all and if it doesn't then the American way of life is threatened . . .
    Yep, plus what are the odds of this?

    "An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification."
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    ^ ...especially when the courts continue to uphold the American right to kill eachother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The piddly amount donated by the NRA is nothing, money in this case isn't the issue. It's this bizarre belief that a misrepresented wording trumps all and if it doesn't then the American way of life is threatened . . .

    Read this antiquated shit
    I'm sorry but that's not true. The majority of Americans would like to see some gun control laws, but they people they elect have a disproportionate level of power compared to the people that vote for them.

    It never even gets to be a constitutional discussion because Republicans get paid off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ ...especially when the courts continue to uphold the American right to kill eachother.
    The sheer hypocrisy of the activist judge-packed SCOTUS...

    SCOTUS: 'States can't regulate guns...'

    Also SCOTUS: 'States can regulate wombs...'

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm sorry but that's not true. The majority of Americans would like to see some gun control laws, but they people they elect have a disproportionate level of power compared to the people that vote for them.
    Of course they would but it's not a matter of money. 1/3 of all Americans own guns and most every other American believes it's a right to own one . . . the division comes in when you start talking about regulation or some other form of 'control'. It may seem weird to us non-Seppos but it's true.



    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The sheer hypocrisy of the activist judge-packed SCOTUS...

    SCOTUS: 'States can't regulate guns...'

    Also SCOTUS: 'States can regulate wombs...'
    And to think these right wing morons constantly harp on about States Rights . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Of course they would but it's not a matter of money. 1/3 of all Americans own guns and most every other American believes it's a right to own one . . . the division comes in when you start talking about regulation or some other form of 'control'. It may seem weird to us non-Seppos but it's true.
    It's exactly a matter of money, as the NRA can focus its resources on any Republican and make or break their campaigns.

    The "division" of which you speak is between voters' desires and the Republican scum they elect who couldn't give a flying fuck about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The sheer hypocrisy of the activist judge-packed SCOTUS...

    SCOTUS: 'States can't regulate guns...'

    Also SCOTUS: 'States can regulate wombs...'
    Staggering to comprehend.

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    Thoughts and prayers urgently required in Chicago.

    Six dead and shooter still loose...during 4 July Parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Thoughts and prayers urgently required in Chicago.

    Six dead and shooter still loose...during 4 July Parade.
    Firearms deaths are a fixture in American life with no change in sight. As long as folks in the US allow ownership of 120 guns per 100 citizens, folks will die everyday.

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